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the season is lost and it's devastating BUT

EJJ : 10/10/2017 11:28 am
As a fan bordering on fanatic the current state of the NY Giants ruins the season for me and most of you I'm sure. Being an older guy with a wife and kids there is just so much sulking and bitching my family will tolerate hell my 11 year old is already kicking things and throwing pillows when the Giants lose. My point is this can be a huge benefit to the franchise moving forward.
IF the Giants organization handles this right they could set themselves up for the next decade! Hire a new GM, Head Coach revamp the scouting Dept. Draft the next Franchise QB, hell trade some of the dead weight players for picks IE JPP, Apple,Flowers guys that are making big bucks and not preforming or showing heart.
Things turn around fast in the NFL IF the right people are running the show.
Remember in 2003 when the Giants where predicted to be a playoff-Superbowl team and shit the bed. A lot of things came out about Fassil and in the end he was gone. What happened? The Coughlin era began along with a top pick QB Eli Manning who brought us 2 Superbowl wins.
If we do start from scratch which I pray we do the QB coming in will be in a great situation. Eli isn't Kerry Collins or Kurt Warrner. He'll play out 2018 and mentor his heir apparent with the class he has always shown.
Last point this team has talent! Their skill position players OBJ, Shepherd,Engram,Gallman,can play with anyone.
Marshall ehhh.
On D we where a top 5 D just last year that wasn't by accident there is talent there maybe there is an attitude, CULTURE issue? Coaching can change that.
My comrades hang in there it's a pity we as fans lost a season. Try to enjoy the kids getting an opportunity to play with an eye to next season.
Just gotta hope and pray the organization makes the right decisions this off season.
I will never root for the Giants to lose  
Capt. Don : 10/10/2017 11:33 am : link
for any reason, including a higher draft pick.

However, I find myself suddenly becoming a huge Browns fan.
and the Niners for that matter.  
Capt. Don : 10/10/2017 11:41 am : link
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They owe me nothing.  
TheManUpstairs : 10/10/2017 11:44 am : link
I'm 58; I've seen the dark times (and they may be coming again), and I've seen 4 Super Bowl wins. This, too, will pass.
I remember the 70s  
Gman11 : 10/10/2017 11:50 am : link
when I would start reading up on the top college players in mid season because I knew they'd be getting a good draft pick.

Eh.

Didn't help much, because one guy isn't going to make that much of a difference.
Organization  
Percy : 10/10/2017 11:51 am : link
I do not mean to be offensive, but the point about the state of the Giants is that there is no "organization." None. One is needed, of course. As of now, with what's pretending to be an "organization" in place, it is not reasonable to suggest that it do something useful. If you mean by "organization" the owners, however, you're right on. But I wouldn't be standing still until the end of the season to get corrective action underway. The owners need to be getting football advice and counsel from people other than those they've relied on over the last several years -- the ones whose advice has driven this team into the ground.
Another witness to 4 Superbowls  
AnnapolisMike : 10/10/2017 11:55 am : link
This season is probably the most disappointing due to the expectations of everyone going in. Hard to get indignant when, unless your friends are Patriots fans, this team shits the bed.

I just hope the Giants 'powers that be' can make the changes that will make the team respectable again. Both on the field and off.
I like the 2003  
bluepepper : 10/10/2017 12:37 pm : link
analogy with Reese being the 2003 Fassel.

Fassel looked set for a long run after 2000. Then was in trouble by mid-02. He appeared to salvage things with the late run after taking over the play calling. Then collapse in '03.

Reese looked set after 2011. Then was in trouble by '14-'15 but salvaged it with OBJ and the FA signings of 2016. Now collapse.

Reese is GM so he got a longer leash just like Ernie did in '03 but still the comparison is pretty close IMO. Question is does Mara see it this way?
was thinking about Eli  
djm : 10/10/2017 12:47 pm : link
Giants need to be really careful with the Eli thing. They don't HAVE to do anything. Drafting a QB high doesn't mean the Giants have to deal, cut or bench Eli. Fuck the young QB. Let him wait. Steve Young waited. Aaron Rodgers waited. Joe Blow from Idaho can wait too. LEt him say stupid shit on social media if it even ever came to that. If the kid outplays Eli in camps or practice, fine, let him play.

I feel like there's going to be unwarranted pressure on the Giants to take action that won't need to be taken. You can in fact carry two big pedigrees at QB. Giants should.
the only "loss" that should come from this season  
djm : 10/10/2017 12:51 pm : link
is everyone but Eli. Even if he isn't the same player i'd rather find out if he's got a magical run left while Eli is still wearing NYG blue. All the better if the QB position is stacked behind him.


I don't think there are any silver linings from this season. One month ago w I was expecting a 4 year run where this team made the ;playoffs at least 3 of those seasons. 2016 was year 1. Now we are back in the dumps. I thought we were done with seasons like this. Four weeks ago we assumed McAdoo was the long term answer at HC. That he would likely be coaching this team for a decade. Now nearly all of us want him gone today. This fucking sucks. But if they are going to suck, might as well suck the biggest one possible. It still sucks though.
The key is who they bring in as GM  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/10/2017 1:30 pm : link
and that's IF they get rid of Reese, which is not a done deal.

With the salary cap, a non-contending team needs to make a series of correct decisions in order to get back into contending status. Who to keep, who to draft, who to coach the mid-level draft picks up to players, etc.

If they pick the wrong GM it'll be years before they contend again. But I think we're all of the opinion that's true if they also keep the status quo.
As Far as Trading for Picks...  
Jim in NH : 10/10/2017 1:40 pm : link
Giants fan since 1956, moved to Boston in 1980. Since my baseball team had not played a home game since September 1957, became a Red Sox fan.

I vividly remember taking my then-5 year old son to a game, Red Sox losing, Bob Stanley walking in from the pen, his image on the scoreboard.

My son brightens up. "I know what to do, Dad! Let's trade Bob Stanley for Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield!"

There is very little trade value on this team.
RE: I will never root for the Giants to lose  
Ron Johnson : 10/10/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13641293 Capt. Don said:
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for any reason, including a higher draft pick.

However, I find myself suddenly becoming a huge Browns fan.


the Browns have a half dozen winnable games on their schedule.

We have maybe 1 or 2. The Browns will get it done.
RE: I will never root for the Giants to lose  
Matt M. : 10/10/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13641293 Capt. Don said:
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for any reason, including a higher draft pick.

However, I find myself suddenly becoming a huge Browns fan.
That's the right approach. Every time my mind comes back to the top pick, I just can't openly root for them to lose. And, I'm also an advocate of trading a top 3 pick to stockpile more draft picks...at least this year. If Eli was a couple of more years along, I might say otherwise.
Hue  
ryanmkeane : 10/10/2017 3:29 pm : link
Jackson might be 3-29 when all is said and done in his first 2 years. How is he still the guy?
RE: RE: I will never root for the Giants to lose  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13641596 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13641293 Capt. Don said:


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for any reason, including a higher draft pick.

However, I find myself suddenly becoming a huge Browns fan.

That's the right approach. Every time my mind comes back to the top pick, I just can't openly root for them to lose. And, I'm also an advocate of trading a top 3 pick to stockpile more draft picks...at least this year. If Eli was a couple of more years along, I might say otherwise.


I can't understand this logic at all, Matt.

In what has been largely hailed as the best QB draft in a very long time, with a 36 year old at QB - you would suggest trading down and out of prime QB range, because Eli has a couple of years left?

I might understand the logic if high draft picks were still making top dollar, but they're cost controlled. If anything, the luxury of having an inexpensive future QB on the bench behind Manning learning from him would be huge for the Giants going forward.
RE: was thinking about Eli  
OC2.0 : 10/10/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13641452 djm said:
[quote] Giants need to be really careful with the Eli thing. They don't HAVE to do anything. Drafting a QB high doesn't mean the Giants have to deal, cut or bench Eli. Fuck the young QB. Let him wait. Steve Young waited. Aaron Rodgers waited. Joe Blow from Idaho can wait too. LEt him say stupid shit on social media if it even ever came to that. If the kid outplays Eli in camps or practice, fine, let him play.

Bet Houston's glad they didn't follow your train of thought.
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