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We should fire Reese sooner rather than later

Essex : 10/10/2017 1:48 pm
If Reese is going to be fired at end of season, doesnít it make sense to fire him by mid-Novembver and get a new personnel team in place and up running for the offseason.

Do we want Reeseís team to be possibly evaluating our qb of the future. Do we want to hire a guy that wonít step into our building until mid January?? If we continue to be winless, and it is clear we are going to have to make an important decision (like whether we draft a QB in top 5) I think the smart move is to do the inevitable sooner rather than later so that we can be well prepared for this draft with a team other than the one drafting for us most recently, who has made a mess of things.
Who is replacing him? Is the guy you want with another team?  
AnnapolisMike : 10/10/2017 1:50 pm : link
Unless the guy is sitting at home...most teams will probably not give permission to interview.

YES!  
Tom in NY : 10/10/2017 1:52 pm : link
If for no other reason than that the Oline has been a problem since the 2011 season, and no matter what Reese has tried, it has not been corrected.

The bad draft picks, mediocre FA signings, and waste of the last 7 years of Eli's career.

Thank you...good luck in your next job.

The Giants can then get a head start on finding the next GM, and he can then evaluate everything that's in place before the season ends.

YES!
Hire a caretaker  
Essex : 10/10/2017 1:53 pm : link
If you are set on someone from inside another organization, like I.e, Ernie, but you donít want a new regime to get that much of a late start in what will probably be our most important off season over a decade.
RE: Who is replacing him? Is the guy you want with another team?  
Tom in NY : 10/10/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13641586 AnnapolisMike said:
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Unless the guy is sitting at home...most teams will probably not give permission to interview.


Dave Gettleman!
He's worked in the organization, has experience and success as a GM, and is currently not employed.

Start with him, and get the process rolling.
I'm fine with waiting till the end of the season  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 1:53 pm : link
As long as he gets fired.
Here is the thing  
MotownGIANTS : 10/10/2017 1:57 pm : link
do we see Eli getting 1 more ring with all commitment before the purge and rebuild....


If so what is the plan for the GM and HC?


That is the question ownership must decide ... call it a day see of Eli wants to go to Jax for a 1st can Reese and Bob and get Webb some reps to see where he stands going to the draft
makes no sense to do it in season.  
Victor in CT : 10/10/2017 2:09 pm : link
let him suffer like the rest of us.
all the talk about Eli....  
BillKo : 10/10/2017 2:10 pm : link
getting another ring needs to stop.

That should be incidental to the entire conversation. Even if you have a really good team, it's HARD to win the Super Bowl. The best team doesn't even win it most times now - or get there.

The big factor in everything is the most important player's age - Eli - they need to start grooming another QB to take over, otherwise you'll be treading water.

Whether that's Webb or a guy from the upcoming draft.

And make it a priority to fix the OL, because you need to be able to control the LOS, then draft best available.

Whether it's Reese or someone else, that's what they need to do.
I'd do it after the draft.  
RAIN : 10/10/2017 2:16 pm : link
The Evals are underway and the scouts that may not be available to round out a staff, because they are employed elsewhere.
You're the guy that wants Chip Kelly, right?  
Racer : 10/10/2017 2:17 pm : link
Age and highest level of education?
I do want Chip Kelly  
Essex : 10/10/2017 2:29 pm : link
and I have a post-graduate degree.

I know, Chip is a terrible choice, all he did in Philly is win 20 games his first two seasons. Who is your choice?
RE: You're the guy that wants Chip Kelly, right?  
Essex : 10/10/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13641622 Racer said:
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Age and highest level of education?


Bill Bellichick has said countless times he finds it astonishing that Chip is not a head coach, but I guess you, Racer, know more than BB.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/10/2017 2:30 pm : link
I think if you gave Mara truth serum, Dave Gettleman would have been the GM choice long ago but Reese wasnít in a position to be let go and Gettleman got the opportunity in Carolina. Personnel wise, he did an excellent job with the Panthers but it seems like he alienated himself from ownership and players. This offseason will be the perfect storm. Reese out and Gettleman is available. Iíd put money on it at this point. I also think theyíll let him choose his coach, whether ts McAdoo or someone new.
The after the draft crowd is maddening  
pjcas18 : 10/10/2017 2:34 pm : link
the college season is 6 weeks old.

Why would you want Reese to make a draft pick knowing you were going to fire him after he makes it, at least in part, because of his draft picks. Seems like the opposite of when you should fire him.

it's one of those simply accepted things I will never understand.

there are around 256 draft picks. You can't get scouts to physically or even via tape scout 400 - 500 players (250 of whom will be drafted) in 6 months, plus attend the bowl games, senior bowls, and combine?

I find that hard to believe.
Reality  
Painless62 : 10/10/2017 2:47 pm : link
If a smart GM who knows or has a vision how to work the draft comes in, he could get all the data from a scouting service and do a better job than what has been done. With all our scouts and all the time spent on drafting and FA, this is what we get? You could have thrown darts at names and done better. BTW, you don't have to fire every scout. Just fire Reese and Ross. Someone like Gettleman can come in and function immediately. His problem at Carolina was not wanting to overpay for past performance. This is exactly the right thing to do. How is Carolina doing now? Excluding your feelings about the quarterback, would you trade the teams straight up? I would, and a bunch of those Carolina players were drafted by him
the scary thing  
sinister_bee98 : 10/10/2017 2:54 pm : link
is, with the Giants groupthink method, does anyone really believe the results will be drastically different?

Reese is a figurehead, just like Gettleman would be. I won't go as far as calling him a yes man, but the Mara's run this team.
You're just gonna get Marc Ross  
David B. : 10/10/2017 2:54 pm : link
if they fire Reese.
what about  
sinister_bee98 : 10/10/2017 2:55 pm : link
Abrams?
You don't let Reese make the pick....  
BillKo : 10/10/2017 2:57 pm : link
but you fire him after the scouts have filed all their reports.

That's usually in like February.........

They you can fire the scouts too, and let someone new hire then entire staff.

Because this just isn't about Reese, right? Aren't our scouts to blame? Remember, I think Reese makes the first pick on what he sees, but then relies on the reports to draft afterwards............

I would check in on Gettleman  
SLIM_ : 10/10/2017 3:01 pm : link
and if he wasn't interested in the job (he isn't young), I would see if he would be interested (potentially as part of a panel with Parcells and Accorsi) in leading the selection process.

If they lose the next two games  
Vanzetti : 10/10/2017 3:01 pm : link
then I think you have to replace both the GM and coach right then and there. Both for their sake and the team's sake.
Scouts  
Painless62 : 10/10/2017 3:10 pm : link
Scouts can be doing a great job providing info. People making the decisions might be screwing up with good info.
I would fire Reese now  
Chip : 10/10/2017 3:22 pm : link
So the new GM can have a better understanding of the team before the next draft and free agency.
So  
Blue Moon : 10/10/2017 3:23 pm : link
I've been preaching this move for the past six seasons under at least seven different Handles and have been banned for such outlandish thinking.

Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?
Awesome Idea!  
Jim in Tampa : 10/10/2017 3:39 pm : link
Let's fire Reese now so we can all get our pound of flesh and immediate satisfaction. Of course the Giants will have to limit their choices to candidates that are currently unemployed, but it's certainly a fair trade-off.
RE: So  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13641712 Blue Moon said:
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I've been preaching this move for the past six seasons under at least seven different Handles and have been banned for such outlandish thinking.

Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?


You're admitting to opening up dupe accounts to post bullshit? AMF!
RE: So  
montanagiant : 10/10/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13641712 Blue Moon said:
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I've been preaching this move for the past six seasons under at least seven different Handles and have been banned for such outlandish thinking.

Now you all finally agree to what has been so obvious for so long?

Can't wait till the next banning
RE: Awesome Idea!  
Essex : 10/10/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13641726 Jim in Tampa said:
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Let's fire Reese now so we can all get our pound of flesh and immediate satisfaction. Of course the Giants will have to limit their choices to candidates that are currently unemployed, but it's certainly a fair trade-off.

Yes, that is obviously what this is about getting a pound of flesh of a person I donít even know. Or maybe itís about what I said, seeing if we can get a team together before say like February or March when the draft is in April.
RE: RE: Awesome Idea!  
Jim in Tampa : 10/10/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13641735 Essex said:
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In comment 13641726 Jim in Tampa said:


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Let's fire Reese now so we can all get our pound of flesh and immediate satisfaction. Of course the Giants will have to limit their choices to candidates that are currently unemployed, but it's certainly a fair trade-off.


Yes, that is obviously what this is about getting a pound of flesh of a person I donít even know. Or maybe itís about what I said, seeing if we can get a team together before say like February or March when the draft is in April.


You have to at least agree to the fact that if they fired JR and replaced him with another GM, they would be severely limiting their list of candidates.

Why hire a less-qualified person just to get them in earlier?

It just doesn't make sense.
For instance two prominent and successful GMs  
Essex : 10/10/2017 3:51 pm : link
were fired over the summer. Maybe we can see if one of them is interested before we are competing with like 8 other teams.
there is a better candidate in someoneís front office now  
Essex : 10/10/2017 3:53 pm : link
Than John Dorsey???
I don t think Mara  
joeinpa : 10/10/2017 3:59 pm : link
Has decided that Reese is done this point. He might see the writing on the wall, but he will wait til a season s end.

RE: there is a better candidate in someoneís front office now  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13641740 Essex said:
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Than John Dorsey???


If the best we can do is John Dorsey I'd rather not fire Reese. I don't think he comes close to the best we could do, though.
RE: RE: there is a better candidate in someoneís front office now  
Essex : 10/10/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13641748 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13641740 Essex said:


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Than John Dorsey???



If the best we can do is John Dorsey I'd rather not fire Reese. I don't think he comes close to the best we could do, though.


His reputation is that he is one of the best evaluators and scouts of talent in the business. I think the guy who scouted Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Tyreke Hill among countless others deserves tons of consideration.
RE: .  
DennyInDenville : 10/10/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13641633 Danny Kanell said:
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I think if you gave Mara truth serum, Dave Gettleman would have been the GM choice long ago but Reese wasnít in a position to be let go and Gettleman got the opportunity in Carolina. Personnel wise, he did an excellent job with the Panthers but it seems like he alienated himself from ownership and players. This offseason will be the perfect storm. Reese out and Gettleman is available. Iíd put money on it at this point. I also think theyíll let him choose his coach, whether ts McAdoo or someone new.

Yup, Gettleman is the guy.

He had some success in Carolina, a super bowl appearance recently.

He's def atleast in the top 3 and an easy favorite.

I would sign off on the decision. Buy me personally I would keep Reese.
I'm missing something - were Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 4:14 pm : link
relative unknowns that he deserves credit for scouting them?

Dorsey was let go and Chiefs fans breathed a sigh of relief for reasons that might sound awfully familiar around here - claims that he stuck with his own draft picks for too long, and wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coaching staff on talent acquisition. He was lucky to have inherited a very talented team from Pioli.
Who is  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2017 4:23 pm : link
"we"?
RE: I'm missing something - were Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews  
Essex : 10/10/2017 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13641757 jcn56 said:
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relative unknowns that he deserves credit for scouting them?

Dorsey was let go and Chiefs fans breathed a sigh of relief for reasons that might sound awfully familiar around here - claims that he stuck with his own draft picks for too long, and wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coaching staff on talent acquisition. He was lucky to have inherited a very talented team from Pioli.


Many teams passed on Aaron Rodgers. He also drafted Kareem Hunt, Tyreke Hill, Marcus peters, Travis Kelce.

I believe the chiefs have five players from the Pioli era on their team now. They have had a winning record every year he was there with three double digit winning seasons. They are at the moment the best team in the NFL and he was in charge of bringing everyone in for this yearís team. I donít know, who else is better than him that is out there.
Reese is going no where  
Rflairr : 10/10/2017 5:38 pm : link
And not should he.

This team doesnít have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM
Why wait do you really have faith  
Bluesbreaker : 10/10/2017 5:40 pm : link
in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .
RE: Reese is going no where  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13641877 Rflairr said:
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And not should he.

This team doesnít have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM


5 losing seasons out of six. Through two different coaching regimes. And the problem is the coaching.?
RE: Reese is going no where  
MookGiants : 10/10/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13641877 Rflairr said:
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And not should he.

This team doesnít have 0-5 talent. This is a team almost everyone picked to go to the playoffs. The coaching staff has failed here. Not the GM


You can keep beating that drum, but he put this offensive line together and that offensive line has destroyed this team for 5 years now. Last year was a fluke, the defense played way above their talent level and they won nearly all close games.

The coaches arent the reason the offensive line blows. Thats all on Jerry Reese and Marc Ross. They have had 5 years to fix this line and havent done it.
Hire  
PaulN : 10/10/2017 5:54 pm : link
The guy under the GM of the patriots, he has seen exactly how it works, or anyone that has worked with GM's that have built a championship team.
RE: The after the draft crowd is maddening  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/10/2017 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13641636 pjcas18 said:
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the college season is 6 weeks old.

Why would you want Reese to make a draft pick knowing you were going to fire him after he makes it, at least in part, because of his draft picks. Seems like the opposite of when you should fire him.

it's one of those simply accepted things I will never understand.

there are around 256 draft picks. You can't get scouts to physically or even via tape scout 400 - 500 players (250 of whom will be drafted) in 6 months, plus attend the bowl games, senior bowls, and combine?

I find that hard to believe.

Just an FYI, there are exactly 256 draft picks every year (barring a draft pick being revoked from the Patriots for whatever the cheating infraction du jour is). Seven full rounds, plus exactly 32 compensatory picks.
RE: Hire  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/10/2017 6:03 pm : link
In comment 13641900 PaulN said:
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The guy under the GM of the patriots, he has seen exactly how it works, or anyone that has worked with GM's that have built a championship team.

Here's how it works for the Patriots:

Step 1: have Bill Belichick as head coach
Step 2: have Tom Brady as quarterback
Step 3: get Tom Brady to take below market value on his contract to keep $6-10MM of cap room above what other teams with established franchise QBs have
Step 4: have Ernie Adams coordinate the next competitive advantage

You think hiring New England's deputy can pull that off?
RE: Why wait do you really have faith  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/10/2017 6:07 pm : link
In comment 13641880 Bluesbreaker said:
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in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .

It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.

This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.
Bart Scott  
BigBlueShock : 10/10/2017 6:38 pm : link
Was on the Kay show today and brought up Eric Decosta as a potential replacement for Reese if they decide to go in another direction. He's the assistant GM in Baltimore. I don't know anything about the guy but Scott was extremely high on him and said that Newsome isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Decosta is ready to move on. He said that Decosta had no interest in the Jets job because of the malfunction in the ownership/executive team but he'd take the Giants job and respects the Giants organization.

Take it for what it's worth, just passing it along.
RE: RE: Why wait do you really have faith  
Essex : 10/10/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13641912 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13641880 Bluesbreaker said:


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in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .


It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.

This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.


Youíre right it isnít rocket science. You are not going to fire every scout when you get a new Gm anyway, you bring in a new GM and he decides after spending time with him who he wants and who he doesnít want. That process is much easier if it starts now.
RE: makes no sense to do it in season.  
old man : 10/10/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13641612 Victor in CT said:
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let him suffer like the rest of us.


LOL!!!!!!
Realistically, you might still be able to fire the GM now,  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2017 8:20 pm : link
but if you don't do it soon, you have to wait until after the draft. You can't send the new guy into the draft unprepared. You either give him time to prepare for 2018, or bring him after the 2018 draft and get him ready for 2019.

That's what the Bills did. And yeah, a lot of fans were losing their minds about it, but it made sense -- you either fire the GM way before the draft, or right after.
RE: RE: RE: Why wait do you really have faith  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/10/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13642010 Essex said:
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In comment 13641912 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 13641880 Bluesbreaker said:


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in our scouting Department good Lord I have seen enough .
I just don't see the Mara's pulling the trigger but after
this comedy of error's you know damn well we were expected
to get back to the playoffs .
A good number of people had us winning it all and I think
that has much to do with Eli and big games .


It's not about faith in the scouting department, per se; it's about the fact that you can't assemble a new scouting department in October.

This isn't rocket science, folks. Even if you want a complete housecleaning, you have to recognize that the viable replacements are all currently gainfully employed.



Youíre right it isnít rocket science. You are not going to fire every scout when you get a new Gm anyway, you bring in a new GM and he decides after spending time with him who he wants and who he doesnít want. That process is much easier if it starts now.

Except that the top GM candidates are already employed and you're not going to handcuff yourself with fewer scouts just for punitive purposes. The replacement scouts are also currently employed. This isn't the sort of staffing shift you can pull off midseason.

So you're just going to settle for a GM candidate that's already available? You have your heart set on Gettleman? Fine, but the reality is, a full replacement search (including Rooney Rule) is still required, and due diligence is still in the Giants' best interest. Firing Reese now is purely a punitive move and is myopic at best.

TL;DR: it's not going to happen. And if by some remote possibility it does, Marc Ross will be elevated on an interim basis. Be careful what you wish for.
getting rid of Reese now is probably the smart  
Jersey55 : 10/11/2017 5:08 pm : link
move for us to make, this way a new GM will get to see first hand wats needed, bring in his won HC and staff and get a start on the team for next year, there is a lot of work to do and if we wait too long there won't be enough time and it will run into the following season...
I would fire him  
Matt M. : 10/11/2017 6:06 pm : link
the day after the season ends and I would already have my list of possible replacements ready. As soon as he left the office, I'd fire McAdoo and then follow with every member of the current coaching staff.
RE: Hire a caretaker  
Kev in Cali : 10/11/2017 6:54 pm : link
In comment 13641590 Essex said:
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If you are set on someone from inside another organization, like I.e, Ernie, but you donít want a new regime to get that much of a late start in what will probably be our most important off season over a decade.


Agreed. This upcoming offseason is THE most pivotal offseason I can remember ever! Clean house, this team isn't doing anything in the next 2-3 years if they keep what they have......
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