This season is the worst I've ever seen and I'm 36 years old. I love Eli Manning we were born the same day and I've been his biggest fan since day one. I'll never root against him but the facts are the facts he's getting up there in age and although I think he can still play at a high level the NFL is changing and guys like Wentz and Watson are the new prototype for successful NFL qbs. The days of the pocket passer are slowly fading away and it's time the Giants got on board with what's not just a trend but a necessity with the bad offensive line play being more and more of a problem every year. 10 years ago O lineman would dominate the top of the draft now we're seeing more Rbs going higher and higher. It's not just cause their so good even though they are it's cause even with an average line which most teams have a great rb can make it look good and so can a mobile QB. I'm not saying every qb has to be Micheal Vick but he can't be a statue anymore either. And although this season is miserable the silver lining here is there are 4-5 really good QBs coming out this year. Personally I like Josh Allen the best because although he's very raw we will have Eli for at least another year maybe two and this kid has all the intangibles you would look for in a qb. Let him sit behind Eli with hopefully a coach that can get the most out of all that talent and we're set for the next 15 years. I was around for the Kent graham dave brown fiasco and I don't wanna ever see that again(although this isn't much better). Eli loves this organization and has always been a class act I don't see why he wouldn't step up and do all he can to help the next Giants qb get ready for when he's gone.
They had a higher grade on Webb than where they took him, so they were happy to get him in the third round. And maybe he is the future. But he comes from a spread offense, and 65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS.
Agreed.
Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
Omg, I was thinking the same thing.
They had a higher grade on Webb than where they took him, so they were happy to get him in the third round. And maybe he is the future. But he comes from a spread offense, and 65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS.
You take a Tomlinson when you've just lost Hankins to free agency, you have a starting QB and your alternative is Bromley. And if Webb had the strongest arm in the combine then the fact that most of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS is more a function of the offense he was running than his ability to throw a deep ball.
Not to mention Russell Wilson
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Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
Passing on a franchise QB because you drafted one in the third round is dumber.
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When were Cousins and Dak drafted? If he is playing well in practice we might think he's the guy. Issues why he dropped aside, his senior season stats at Cal, in a major conference, will be as good as anyone's coming out. They were almost as good as Gifts there. There is nothing except the yearly speculation, that any of these guys coming out will be any better than Webb. Also Darnold and Allen have not looked lime "franchise" guys at all. I wouldn't automatically assume we draft a QB.
Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
Passing on a franchise QB because you drafted one in the third round is dumber.
How do you know any of these guys are "franchise". They haven't played a down in the NFL, and they've still got 50% of their senior season left. Its all speculation. If you have a guy here now, who is showing promise at the NFL level, that needs to count for more than a guy still in college.
I dunno, even if they think he can be a starter down the road and they are in a position to draft a franchise QB, by all means, they should draft the QB. Having 2 starting QB on your team is a good problem to have. However, I can understand if they think Webb is the real deal that is only a year away then it may make sense to rely on Eli one more year and spend the first round pick on a WR or DE.
Not when in all likelihood they have a top 5 pick, and they have an opportunity to draft a QB they had rated higher. To me, if they are at a point where they want to replace Eli on the sooner side, you want the highest rated guy. And my .02 cents, I'm not convinced Webb has all the tools to eventually lead us past Wentz and Prescott, among others.
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When were Cousins and Dak drafted? If he is playing well in practice we might think he's the guy. Issues why he dropped aside, his senior season stats at Cal, in a major conference, will be as good as anyone's coming out. They were almost as good as Gifts there. There is nothing except the yearly speculation, that any of these guys coming out will be any better than Webb. Also Darnold and Allen have not looked lime "franchise" guys at all. I wouldn't automatically assume we draft a QB.
Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
Passing on a franchise QB because you drafted one in the third round is dumber.
How do you know any of these guys are "franchise". They haven't played a down in the NFL, and they've still got 50% of their senior season left. Its all speculation. If you have a guy here now, who is showing promise at the NFL level, that needs to count for more than a guy still in college.
Guy hasn't played a down and yet you're ready to pass on a possible franchise QB for him because he is "showing promise," whatever that means.
Then get him some starts this season.
And what if he's another Wentz or Mariota.
I'm on the Barkley bandwagon too. He's a generational talent
Saquan and Odell would be dynamite. Fix the OLine thru FA
But the fact is that our franchise qb is almost 40 and his skills are declining means we need to fill the most important position on the field in a couple years. Most teams would kill to get a close look at two high draft picks to choose to be their next starting QB. Drafting a lineman high is as much of a crap shoot. But here is the trump card: you never get a crack at QBs in free agency. Anything but a qb with a top 5 pick would be infuriating.
Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
You aren't really trying to convince us that a qb picked in the top ten of the 2018 draft has the same chance to dominate as a 3rd rounder?
There is nothing except the majority of every scout breathing would rather have the first round qb over Webb. If there is a guy in next year's draft that checks off every box the Giants have to take him. If not, fine, pass.
But the fact is that our franchise qb is almost 40 and his skills are declining means we need to fill the most important position on the field in a couple years. Most teams would kill to get a close look at two high draft picks to choose to be their next starting QB. Drafting a lineman high is as much of a crap shoot. But here is the trump card: you never get a crack at QBs in free agency. Anything but a qb with a top 5 pick would be infuriating.
Dallas took a RB and a QB in the 4th?!
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When were Cousins and Dak drafted? If he is playing well in practice we might think he's the guy. Issues why he dropped aside, his senior season stats at Cal, in a major conference, will be as good as anyone's coming out. They were almost as good as Gifts there. There is nothing except the yearly speculation, that any of these guys coming out will be any better than Webb. Also Darnold and Allen have not looked lime "franchise" guys at all. I wouldn't automatically assume we draft a QB.
Mark my words, there will be new "franchise" QBs in the 2019 draft too. There always are, and 70% turn out to be busts or average at best.
You aren't really trying to convince us that a qb picked in the top ten of the 2018 draft has the same chance to dominate as a 3rd rounder?
There is nothing except the majority of every scout breathing would rather have the first round qb over Webb. If there is a guy in next year's draft that checks off every box the Giants have to take him. If not, fine, pass.
There were absolutely scouts who had a 1st round grade on Webb. Some others dropped him lower because of the offense he ran, his stats were great. Don't get hung up on the fact we got him in the 3rd round, every draft has guys who drop. IMO, and its only my opinion, we have a QB with a first round skillset who we have been working with for 1 year. Why wouldn't we want to look at him first.
The rest of these guys are a lot more speculative than the guy we have looked at for a year. There stats aren't going to be any better than Webbs senior season stats. So they are this years "franchise" players, so what? Its a crapshoot, no one knows. In 2019 there will be more "franchise" QB's too. Its a meaningless label because no one really knows.
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I'm on the Barkley bandwagon too. He's a generational talent
Saquan and Odell would be dynamite. Fix the OLine thru FA
Having Barkley would strike fear in many an opponent it
would actually allow to bring in others as well .
Love OBJ but I would be open to trading him getting a second #1 pick and who knows we could get a second #2
pick . We could get a LT and a WR and LB . We really have
multiple positions to fill Eli I think has at least two
good years left in him after this season and Webb should
be ready to take over .
there are good OL up there as well.
What would be disgusting is if we don’t give Webb a look in a 1-15 season because we care about eli’s Feelings as over emotional fans.
Give Webb reps- keep scouting the colllege kids- and go from there.
there are good OL up there as well.
What would be disgusting is if we don’t give Webb a look in a 1-15 season because we care about eli’s Feelings as over emotional fans.
Give Webb reps- keep scouting the colllege kids- and go from there.
There is a great point there - we've had it drilled into us that this is a generational QB draft, the best we've had in years, etc. But what if those guys end up being not all that great? Wouldn't be the first or last time the draftniks were wrong.
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If we give Webb a look and he’s good. We do if we grade out those top qbs to be generational types... and can’t miss people...
there are good OL up there as well.
What would be disgusting is if we don’t give Webb a look in a 1-15 season because we care about eli’s Feelings as over emotional fans.
Give Webb reps- keep scouting the colllege kids- and go from there.
There is a great point there - we've had it drilled into us that this is a generational QB draft, the best we've had in years, etc. But what if those guys end up being not all that great? Wouldn't be the first or last time the draftniks were wrong.
Its complete speculation, there is no way to know if a college kid is going to be a "franchise" QB. 60-70% of the time they suck or just become a journeyman QB. It also works the other way. Last years draft was supposed to be relatively weak for QB's, but look now. Kizer, Watson, and Trubisky have all started. Plus Mahommes, Webb, and the kid on SF have all gotten positive press.
Evaluate Webb, since he's here and has a year under his belt, and see what you have first. If he's not going to cut it then draft the best guy, but if he is don't run out and use the top 5 pick "just because". That guy may not be any better than Webb, and we could've used the pick for a OT, RB, LB, etc. instead.
2018
you build the crap out of the O line, both via draft and top free agents in line with the above changes. Sadly, you need to look at DL as well. Good luck doing this without pick #1 or with trade ups for 'skills players'.
2019
there will be quarterbacks to look at, just as there are now and it will be apparent what additional opportunities to blend need with value will exist.