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Sucks to say this but McAdoo and Reese are staying

Section131 : 10/10/2017 4:34 pm
Giants haven't fired a GM since when?
Young retired
Accorsi retired
That's 30+ years worth of GMs

Do we really expect Mara to engage is this much change? A new GM and coach?!

It's not happening. Strap in for more Reese and more McAdoo
Your "sources"  
OC2.0 : 10/10/2017 4:36 pm : link
Tell you that?
Not gonna fire anyone during the season for sure.  
Heisenberg : 10/10/2017 4:37 pm : link
That's not the Giants.
Depends  
jc in c-ville : 10/10/2017 4:37 pm : link
If they continue to fight to win ( the players), then maybe with the understanding he 9they) hire an O coordinator while Jerry is able to convince also.

This team tanks via 2003, the public outcry will be too much even for ownership to ignore.
not convinced about this at all  
fame56 : 10/10/2017 4:40 pm : link
john mara has to realize that his team needs a complete culture overhaul starting at the top and thru the talent evaluation, draft process, and coaching staffs

eli's time is done and it was going to happen anyway whether or not we were successful this year

I would make an offer to jon gruden for a vice president of football operations position and give him control over the football operations on a 5 year contract

thats what i would do
Probably.  
Devon : 10/10/2017 4:40 pm : link
So will Spags and Quinn. So will Chris Mara and Ross.

Sacrificial lambs will likely be Eli, Sullivan, and maybe Solari. They'll use drafting a QB at the top of the draft to pair with a recovered OBJ as the selling point to the fan base that brighter days are ahead, pretending all the biggest problems aren't still here.
We'll see...  
Chris684 : 10/10/2017 4:43 pm : link
In many ways John is different than his father, but one Mara philosophy he certainly believes in is the "meaningful December home games" theory.

Well then, how will John respond to the first meaningless home game with a date of October 22nd!? This isnt a bad season, this is a season that going to cost jobs.

Think of it this way.

They are all but eliminated within one month of opening night.

They are all but eliminated with 6 of the 8 scheduled home games remaining.

They are all but eliminated before one of the NY baseball teams and before LCS play has started in either league.

I wouldnt be so sure anyone is safe from the front offices down to the lockerroom.
McAdoo.... is staying  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/10/2017 4:49 pm : link
Reese is a goner
RE: Probably.  
HomerJones45 : 10/10/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13641813 Devon said:
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So will Spags and Quinn. So will Chris Mara and Ross.

Sacrificial lambs will likely be Eli, Sullivan, and maybe Solari. They'll use drafting a QB at the top of the draft to pair with a recovered OBJ as the selling point to the fan base that brighter days are ahead, pretending all the biggest problems aren't still here.
Probably right, but someone must be offered as a sacrifice to disappointed fans. Get the scapegoats rounded up.
Personally, I Agree with Section 131  
Bob in Vt : 10/10/2017 4:54 pm : link
We made the playoffs last year. This year will likely be considered an outlier, especially from here on out with all the season ending injuries.

And even more important considering Eli having only 1 or 2 good years left ... No changes should be expected (IMHO).

I expect Reese and McAdoo back next year (especially McAdoo because of Eli's closing window).
Nobody can speak definitively at this point  
jcn56 : 10/10/2017 4:54 pm : link
Traditionally they haven't canned GMs, and wouldn't let go a HC after one bad season, but we're in somewhat unchartered waters here.
RE: McAdoo.... is staying  
jvm52106 : 10/10/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13641822 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Reese is a goner


Only way McAdoo is staying is if he has convinced ownership that Reese is the reason TC failed the last few years and now his team failed because of it., NOW, TC might have something of value here too. If he told ownership that Reese's drafts and inability to bring in talent were huge problems then seeing it with another coach would surely back that up. BUT, new GM usually means new coach unless GM comes from within.
I tend to agree with the OP  
FranknWeezer : 10/10/2017 4:59 pm : link
I just don't see it, either. I figure this time next year, we'll be right back in place (hopefully not 0-5) with the same two guys at the helm.

I can see some of the assitant coaches and several of the players turning over after this season, but I don't see Mara making changes at the top.

IF there's an upheaval at the HC spot, keep an eye on Texans DC Mike Vrabel. But I don't see McAdoo going anywhere after only 2 years. Not this organization.
Reese is staying and so is McAdoo  
JohnB : 10/10/2017 5:00 pm : link
unless McAdoo losing the lock room. If the players turn on him, he is done.
if you want people fired  
Shirk130 : 10/10/2017 5:02 pm : link
stop showing up to the games
RE: Personally, I Agree with Section 131  
HomerJones45 : 10/10/2017 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13641829 Bob in Vt said:
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We made the playoffs last year. This year will likely be considered an outlier, especially from here on out with all the season ending injuries.

And even more important considering Eli having only 1 or 2 good years left ... No changes should be expected (IMHO).

I expect Reese and McAdoo back next year (especially McAdoo because of Eli's closing window).
or last year was the outlier with a schedule filled with rookie qb's, lots of good fortune and career years from some defensive players. I think you are engaged in wishful thinking, but we shall see.
RE: RE: Personally, I Agree with Section 131  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13641840 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13641829 Bob in Vt said:


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We made the playoffs last year. This year will likely be considered an outlier, especially from here on out with all the season ending injuries.

And even more important considering Eli having only 1 or 2 good years left ... No changes should be expected (IMHO).

I expect Reese and McAdoo back next year (especially McAdoo because of Eli's closing window).

or last year was the outlier with a schedule filled with rookie qb's, lots of good fortune and career years from some defensive players. I think you are engaged in wishful thinking, but we shall see.

1 winning season in the last 6. Last year was the outlier.
I don't believe in historical determinism  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 5:08 pm : link
Just because it hasn't happened in a while, doesn't mean it won't happen.
There is a whole lot of conventional wisdom  
Reb8thVA : 10/10/2017 5:09 pm : link
And assumptions passing for fact these days on BBI. Let's take a closer look at those 30 years. George Young is brought in and restores the franchise to greatness. Two Super Bowl wins and he retires because of age and illness. He passes the torch to his deputy Accorssi who has a mixed record of success and failures. However, he leaves the team with a franchise QB as a parting gift and the future is looking bright. Fast forward to Reese who wins two superbowls but the next 4-5 years are an abject failure minus last year that increasingly looks like an anomally. Major and obvious flaws int the team remain uncorrected and seem to get worse. There is little evidence that the FO is equipped to solve these problems and the future of the team is pointing downward. Right now we are facing a situation that is very different than what the team has faced in recent memory so the past is not necessarily an accurate guide for the future or present decision-making. Mara has already put Reese on notice once, he sacked coordinators as sacrificial lambs, he replaced the coach and nothing has really worked. It would be different if this was a one or two year phenomenon but it's been going on since 2012. Poor drafting, questionable FA moves! There is only one person left to blame.
If Reese goes  
Giants86 : 10/10/2017 5:14 pm : link
one would think Mac goes too. The new GM will want his own hire.
No one knows..  
Sean : 10/10/2017 5:21 pm : link
Nothing more annoying when posters just flat out say nothing is going to happen like they know.

John Mara is not like Wellington. He's gone on record saying Wellington didn't want to move on from Kerry Collins for Eli. Wellington was VERY loyal. John has been more aggressive by his media comments. And, he did get rid of a 2 time SB coach. Let's drop this narrative that he'll do nothing.

McAdoo was brought in for Eli to maintain some continuity. That won't be the case when evaluating after the season.
crazy extreme rash of injuries this early  
NYDCBlue : 10/10/2017 5:32 pm : link
Probably saves both their jobs. It should not, for either Reese or McAdoo. Both need to be fired. Not like we looked good before the last game and all its injuries....
When Coughlin was let go  
Manning10 : 10/10/2017 5:36 pm : link
Mara said Jerry knows its on him NOW! Well they most likely will wait till after the season but Reese will be gracefully
let go.
Reese should stay  
Rflairr : 10/10/2017 5:39 pm : link
The problem here is coaching
RE: Reese should stay  
jeff57 : 10/10/2017 5:42 pm : link
In comment 13641878 Rflairr said:
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The problem here is coaching


Coughlin, now McAdoo. What's the one constant? Not the coaches.
sucks to say this  
well...bye TC : 10/10/2017 5:44 pm : link
(for you) but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Thats fine.  
prdave73 : 10/10/2017 5:49 pm : link
I would prefer for them to fire Reese but knowing the Giants probably won't unfortunately. What I do expect is for Mcadoo to be fired for sure, heck fire him now. This guy is not an Nfl coach period. I don't even think he can coach pee see. If they bring him back, sad to say I would not watch the Giants. I could not stand another season with that joke of a coach.
Clueless  
PaulN : 10/10/2017 5:51 pm : link
If you think Reese is safe, it is set up so that the next move is for Reese to be fired, he sold the Giants on the Oline growth, he added Marshall, he has ignored the linebackers, ignored the offensive line the last two years when it was needed more then ever to help Eli to finish his career with another run, he threw all that money at the defensive line, he hired McAdoo. This is his mess and he has had 6 years to fix this, he is gone, that is certain, McAdoo may survive but that may be a discussion between Mara and the new GM.
Reese is not going anywhere.  
compton : 10/10/2017 6:05 pm : link
This team finished 11-5 last year and was heading in the right direction. The expectation this year was that the team will go deep in the playoffs. They are under performing this year due to other factors than talent. This team is more talented that the one that went 11-5 last season. The QB and head coach will take the brunt of the blame. Reese will survive this but some of the coaches will not.
No Guarantee  
Sammo85 : 10/10/2017 6:28 pm : link
This season is going to be terrible and itís been bad for reasons that can be attributed to both Reese and McAdoo.

McAdoo needs the players to play hard and he needs to coach better. Heís done a real bad job in every aspect of coaching. He was a passenger last year in the 11 win season.

Reese I think will really have to fight to keep his job. If Eli gets knocked out at some point I donít see how Mara can look or tell fans that Reese deserves to stay, after he took the front office to task a few years back for the same things that plague this roster and performance now.

If Reese goes, so will McAdoo. No new GM, even if itís Gettleman, is going to keep a coach with the stink of this season on them and one thatís not their guy.

Those saying this stuff don't know  
81_Great_Dane : 10/10/2017 6:32 pm : link
and those that know aren't saying. But it's fun to talk about.
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arcarsenal : 10/10/2017 6:33 pm : link
I love when people state their opinions as fact...
I don't see how Reese survives.  
FStubbs : 10/10/2017 6:38 pm : link
If Reese survives, then IMO it's proof that he's just a front man for Chris Mara who is actually running the team.

There's no way any sane NFL front office would keep him past this year, and in fact, many would have fired him yesterday.
Sean  
joeinpa : 10/10/2017 6:39 pm : link
"No one knows". Amen, probably not even Mara at this point
2011 Giants won the Super Bowl  
rocco8112 : 10/10/2017 7:43 pm : link
In many ways 2010 was a superior team. 2012 I believe the Giants had the same record as 2011 but it was not enough to get in.

2013 the bottom fell out. That team had no o line and no backs, Hicks evaporated and so on. Amazingly, that team finished only two games worse than the 2011 Champs. I viewed 2013 as rock bottom. The collapse of a core roster that brought two titles to this city. I believed that a rebuild could be quick since the Giants had a franchise QB. Well, I was wrong. This team has sucked since 2013. How long must we all wait for the Giants to not be a rock bottom rushing team? How long must we all wait for a real defense to be built? 200 million brought a one hit wonder D that has sucked since the hail mary at Lambeau.

How long must all of us fans wait for a sustainable competitive roster to be assembled by this front office? Reese was spotted a QB and coach and could not do it. They scape-goated a hall of fame coach and promoted this clown who is presiding over a disaster.

This team sucks, it has been a bottom feeder for seasons now with one fluke wild card season that was one and done last year.

The only consolation is that the Giants will have a high pick this upcoming draft. Ownership needs to
have their heads examined if they allow a GM who has presided over this failure and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he can not build a sustainable winner another chance to screw up.

Play this season out and then commence with the full house cleaning that is long over due.
it's a garauntee that they do stay  
micky : 10/10/2017 8:25 pm : link
lifetime job for Reese and Mac is Mara's guy.
RE: it's a garauntee that they do stay  
Reb8thVA : 10/10/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13642045 micky said:
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lifetime job for Reese and Mac is Mara's guy.


What's your evidence?
RE: .  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/10/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13641944 arcarsenal said:
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I love when people state their opinions as fact...


Yeah. I personally think both will be retained unfortunately, but let's stop creating threads like it's written in stone.
RE: I don't see how Reese survives.  
joe48 : 10/10/2017 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13641949 FStubbs said:
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If Reese survives, then IMO it's proof that he's just a front man for Chris Mara who is actually running the team.

There's no way any sane NFL front office would keep him past this year, and in fact, many would have fired him yesterday.
I think you may be correct about Mara calling the shots.
Interesting situation  
WillVAB : 10/10/2017 9:48 pm : link
Reese/McAdoo's fate may be tied to how they spin this season and how they articulate a plan to ownership to turn it around.

If they say their talent deficiencies (OL, DL front 7) got exposed early and then the wheels came off with injuries -- then articulate a realistic plan to addresss those deficiencies in the draft/FA, they may be safe for another year.

If it's a complete tank job and the plan is the typical shit franchise, blow up the roster, top 5 QB pick and go from there -- then I think you have to replace Reese and/or McAdoo.

In the end, who knows. The organization doesn't really make brash decisions like this so everyone probably sticks around for at least another year.
They either both go or stay  
The_Boss : 10/11/2017 8:38 am : link
They should be tied to the hip. Keep it all on the same schedule.
It's the Giants  
gmenatlarge : 10/11/2017 8:51 am : link
they don't do anything quickly, which can be a positive at times but when you're sucking, it's painful.
did you forget? Mara put jr on notice  
Dave : 10/11/2017 9:03 am : link
when TC 'retired'
methinks  
Dave : 10/11/2017 9:05 am : link
they are both gone when this shitshow of a season ends, both have proven to be incompetent at their jobs
RE: if you want people fired  
Mark C : 10/11/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13641839 Shirk130 said:
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stop showing up to the games


This.
RE: They either both go or stay  
Sean : 10/11/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13642378 The_Boss said:
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They should be tied to the hip. Keep it all on the same schedule.


This. Amazing to me posters don't realize this. I've read McAdoo shoukdstsy & Reese go. We've fucked up the schedule since after 2013 with independent moving parts which has screwed up the franchise. Clean slate in 2018 with new GM, HC & QB.
Should stay*  
Sean : 10/11/2017 9:14 am : link
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Actually,  
Mark C : 10/11/2017 9:17 am : link
I think that anything less than four wins gets them both fired, assuming the attendance dips accordingly. So everyone, do us all a favor and stay away!
RE: Interesting situation  
Sammo85 : 10/11/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13642147 WillVAB said:
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Reese/McAdoo's fate may be tied to how they spin this season and how they articulate a plan to ownership to turn it around.

If they say their talent deficiencies (OL, DL front 7) got exposed early and then the wheels came off with injuries -- then articulate a realistic plan to addresss those deficiencies in the draft/FA, they may be safe for another year.

If it's a complete tank job and the plan is the typical shit franchise, blow up the roster, top 5 QB pick and go from there -- then I think you have to replace Reese and/or McAdoo.

In the end, who knows. The organization doesn't really make brash decisions like this so everyone probably sticks around for at least another year.


What's to articulate?

We've been hearing the same excuses about injuries for years. We heard it during the Fassel era. You also can't blame OL when both the GM and HC have been responsible for the failures of the OL. They're equally responsible for roster composition.

These guys are in control. Articulation is not going to be justifiable for past failures and ability to turn around when you've been here as long as Reese has and in McAdoo's case when he's been here four years. People wrongly view his tenure as HC as deserving more time. I find that to be faulty.

Last season was a lucky aberration based on a weak schedule and good solid balanced defense.

One way to send a message:  
Mark C : 10/11/2017 9:20 am : link
Season ticket holders should go to the games, but stay in the parking lot and tailgate for the whole day instead of going into the stadium. I know it's unrealistic, but it'd be cool to see something like that get organized...
RE: One way to send a message:  
BillKo : 10/11/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13642436 Mark C said:
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Season ticket holders should go to the games, but stay in the parking lot and tailgate for the whole day instead of going into the stadium. I know it's unrealistic, but it'd be cool to see something like that get organized...


I wouldn't worry...stadium is going to be pretty empty come December unless this team makes a dramatic improvement.

With the holidays and stuff going on, it could look like 2003..anyone remember that?
This thread is bullshit according to Doug.  
GiantFilthy : 10/11/2017 9:52 am : link
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