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The Giants should negotiate with OBJ as if he were healthy

Milton : 10/11/2017 12:48 am
Assuming the surgery was a "success" and there is reason to believe he can be the same player he was last year, I would offer Beckham a $70M four year extension as part of a five year $78.5M deal with $35M guaranteed (since his $8.5M 2018 salary is already guaranteed, technically it can be said that only $26.5M of the $70M extension is guaranteed).

If OBJ rejects it, that's on him, but this would've been a fair offer prior to his injury as it makes him the highest paid WR at $17.5M/year (calculating only for the extension). Had OBJ not been injured and had finished the year playing at a high level, I'm sure he would've pushed for a bigger deal, so the Giants still save some money compared to what might've been.

Why do I think they should do this? Loyalty. Beckham showed loyalty to the team by not holding out despite a salary that "only" paid him $1.8M this year and by taking the field when he was less than 100%. The Giants should return that loyalty by engaging in good faith contract negotiations on the same time schedule as they would've had he been having a healthy year. And the loyalty the Giants show Beckham will send a positive message to the locker room.
Did Beckham ever get that insurance policy?  
Sarcastic Sam : 10/11/2017 1:56 am : link
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RE: Did Beckham ever get that insurance policy?  
Milton : 10/11/2017 2:18 am : link
In comment 13642300 Sarcastic Sam said:
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The only report I read recently said they didn't think he actually got the insurance, only that he had considered it.
Based on early reports, no major soft tissue damage.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/11/2017 2:32 am : link
If it's just a broken bone, then there's a very good chance that the 2018 version of Beckham is basically as good as 2016 and 2017 Beckham. So then, yeah. Shouldn't have the "bad wheel" problem.
I think he will be looking for  
Giant John : 10/11/2017 4:06 am : link
A better guaranteed amount. Don't think that will get it done.
Give out  
StingerProf : 10/11/2017 4:43 am : link
And see where that gets you.
"Good Faith contracts"  
StingerProf : 10/11/2017 4:44 am : link
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Don't know what happened there.
I don't agree.  
Ira : 10/11/2017 4:52 am : link
We've had terrible luck with receivers who had serious injuries and never returned to pre-injury form - not even close.
RE: I don't agree.  
Jim in Tampa : 10/11/2017 5:33 am : link
In comment 13642313 Ira said:
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We've had terrible luck with receivers who had serious injuries and never returned to pre-injury form - not even close.


Agree that we've had bad luck with WR injuries...but it's not like all the WRs had the same injury. OBJ's injury does not appear to be career threatening. Not offering him a competitive contract because other WRs, with different injuries, haven't worked out, is just not smart business.
I have a feeling one of the LA teams  
mfsd : 10/11/2017 6:16 am : link
would love to back up the truck full of cash for OBJ...they’re going to get more and more desperate for a big draw to help pull fans and sell tickets.

I suspect teams like that will be dropping lots of hints to OBJs agents that if he makes it to FA, they’ll pony up a bazillion dollars, etc.

My point...while he’ll likely seek the security of a guarantee, I doubt we’re getting any kind of discount bc of his injury
RE: I have a feeling one of the LA teams  
FStubbs : 10/11/2017 7:09 am : link
In comment 13642320 mfsd said:
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would love to back up the truck full of cash for OBJ...they’re going to get more and more desperate for a big draw to help pull fans and sell tickets.

I suspect teams like that will be dropping lots of hints to OBJs agents that if he makes it to FA, they’ll pony up a bazillion dollars, etc.

My point...while he’ll likely seek the security of a guarantee, I doubt we’re getting any kind of discount bc of his injury


This is a good point. LA is a market where you have to have a flashy star player - it's more important than actually having a winning team.
While not fully  
nyynyg : 10/11/2017 7:16 am : link
In the Go Terps camp on this, I really question how we are wise in putting that much money into a WR. It is not about the injury, completely discounting that new question mark. It is important to figure out though because it will be a ton.

So perhaps less about OBJ and more about the practicality of paying a select few a significant portion of the cap. Not sure it works to have a consistent franchise.

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christian : 10/11/2017 8:05 am : link
The Giants and OBJ either negotiate in good faith or will net compensation.

The team can control him for 3 more years at a controlled cost.

There will be tons of noise going into next year and the off-season after. But 2 things will always be true: 1) the Giants will do everything they can to keep him 2) if he decides he doesn't want to play here the team will be compensated richly when he leaves.
RE: ...  
jcn56 : 10/11/2017 8:16 am : link
In comment 13642355 christian said:
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The Giants and OBJ either negotiate in good faith or will net compensation.

The team can control him for 3 more years at a controlled cost.

There will be tons of noise going into next year and the off-season after. But 2 things will always be true: 1) the Giants will do everything they can to keep him 2) if he decides he doesn't want to play here the team will be compensated richly when he leaves.


+1, and I don't understand why so many have a hard time with the concept. He doesn't have much leverage in the first place, even if he wanted to leave by virtue of the franchise tag he's basically stuck if we want him.

I do agree with Milton's premise, though. Negotiate in good faith regardless of injury, unless you don't want him, in which case let someone else sign him for megabucks and take the comp pick. Trying to discount because of injury would be all kinds of bad faith.
Why should "negotiating in good faith" and "considering the injury" be  
Victor in CT : 10/11/2017 8:34 am : link
mutally exclusive? The Giants would be idiotic not to consider the severity of the injury in the negotiations. Negotiaitng in good faith is just about both sides being open and honest with each other.

Truth is, he has an $8.4million "show me" year coming up. And I mean that from both a performance and behavioral standpoint. He has to show that this injury hsan't curtailed his cutting ability and his quick, one step to top speed acceleration. That's what makes him OBJ. Without that he won't be the same dynamic player. Look what happend to Cruz. He was never the same after that injury.

The Giants don't have to do anything. Nor should they.
The Giants owe OBJ nothing  
AnnapolisMike : 10/11/2017 9:12 am : link
If there is a contract it needs to make sense for both sides. The Giants can't pay OBJ 15-20M a year without hurting other areas of the team.

What is could happen here is the Giants end up with a 20M receiver and no way to get him the ball to take maximum advantage.
depends on defined value for him  
mdc1 : 10/11/2017 9:14 am : link
some concerning things regarding his durability. Imagine paying a guy a kings ransom that is injured continually (history of that), not durable, has not proven that he can affect a postseason game, contributions do not actually advance the team to a championship or deep postseason performance. The latter suggests we may be solving the wrong problems (ODB versus building a completely functional team across the board instead of JAG (beckham)

then again maybe our owners need a publicity tool that has value and that jerseys and hype to mask over a losing football team from an presently incompetent organization.
Horrible luck for the kid  
joeinpa : 10/11/2017 9:22 am : link
And makes it complicated for the Giants
Broke my fibula six years ago  
exiled : 10/11/2017 9:49 am : link
It still bothers me sometimes. (Granted, my only physical therapy was taking my middle-aged self for a walk with my dogs.)

Hoping he comes back strong!
Given the injury ...  
Beer Man : 10/11/2017 10:17 am : link
I could see the team taking a similar approach to the one they took with JPP.
Whatever you think about Beckham,  
Go Terps : 10/11/2017 12:08 pm : link
the truth is that if he had gotten his contract this offseason that would be a lot of cap space on IR. And if we're looking at a new QB in a year or two, is it really worth having that much money in a wide receiver?

I'm reminded about something Aaron Rodgers said on the short lived Bill Simmons HBO show. When asked about whether he'd have rather have a top offensive line or a top group of wide receivers, Rodgers chose the offensive line without thinking twice.

Whoever ends up running this team...I want to see the offensive line become priority #1. And I think that probably means spending a lot in FA in that area, given the concerns that exist over:

1. The general quality of OL coming out of college
2. The CBA limiting the practice time that is so crucial to building OL cohesion
RE: Whatever you think about Beckham,  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13642750 Go Terps said:
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the truth is that if he had gotten his contract this offseason that would be a lot of cap space on IR. And if we're looking at a new QB in a year or two, is it really worth having that much money in a wide receiver?

I'm reminded about something Aaron Rodgers said on the short lived Bill Simmons HBO show. When asked about whether he'd have rather have a top offensive line or a top group of wide receivers, Rodgers chose the offensive line without thinking twice.

Whoever ends up running this team...I want to see the offensive line become priority #1. And I think that probably means spending a lot in FA in that area, given the concerns that exist over:

1. The general quality of OL coming out of college
2. The CBA limiting the practice time that is so crucial to building OL cohesion


Great post.
Like we did with the resurgent JPP (sarcasm) ?  
TMS : 10/11/2017 12:36 pm : link
This is a tough business, and OBJ, as great as he was, and might have become, his future is up in the air now. Great talent with unlimited possibilities, just like JPP, but shit happens in this game. Maybe these player's GREEDY agents should emphasize that to the players more than they do. Personnaly do not trust current management with these decisions. CLEAN HOUSE sooner rather than late. George Young revisited. MO
I'm with Milton on this  
TJ : 10/11/2017 12:59 pm : link
Beckham with little to no soft tissue damage is as close to a sure thing as there is in professoinal sports. The team might save some money. The kid can probably use the kind of good feeling that a fair offer this early could bring. It's got to be tough for someone as accomplished as Beckham to face the reality that his season is just as easily ended as anybody else's.
We are directionless in this FRONT Office  
TMS : 10/14/2017 12:58 pm : link
OBJ may never be who he was, or could have been. Who makes that call NOW? We need a Young or Coughlin or the "bad old days" will be back if they are not already.
The Giants should treat Beckum the same way Washington  
arniefez : 10/14/2017 1:40 pm : link
has treated Kirk Cousins. When he was 100% healthy Beckum would be the last player I'd ever want to see with a long term big money contract. Now? Go one year at a time and if someone wants to give up 2 #1's for him they can have him.
OBJ needs to prove he is healthy and clean up his act  
joe48 : 10/15/2017 6:10 am : link
We owe this guy nothing because we have not won with him so why pay him $20M for whatever his future may bring. I could care less about his stat sheet. He did not show up in the most important game of his career in Green Bay. He can keep all his stats. You can pay 3 or 4 good playersinstead of sinking big bucks into this highlight film.
The other thing is that since he puts his body out there to make plays and is not very big will he more injury prone.
It's a business  
bc4life : 10/15/2017 8:42 am : link
How would OBJ negotiate, absent the injury, but scored 20 TDs, 1500 yards, and made OL player of the year?
Need to build from the inside-out..  
Sean : 10/15/2017 2:33 pm : link
Look at the Eagles. Very strong at the LOS.
Sign and trade...  
EricJ : 10/15/2017 6:34 pm : link
if possible. Agree that you cannot tie up so much in salary on one WR. We already can see that he cannot take this team to a superbowl on his own. Having a great WR and the worse OL in the league is like having the most amazing looking wheels and volkswagen bug engine.
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