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DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 9:29 am
"Frank Ntilikina spent Friday night on his own, resting his sore right knee. But the Knicks rookie guard didn’t treat it like a night off, a chance to go out on the town in his new city.

Ntilikina not only sat on his couch and watched the Knicks face the Wizards in Washington, but also he picked up a few things. He noticed the Knicks had added a few plays he was unfamiliar with, and later asked the coaching staff about them.

“Not many guys will notice that,” coach Jeff Hornacek said.

It was just the latest example of how much the 6-foot-5 rookie from France is impressing his new team, even when he’s not on the court.

The hope is Ntilikina, the eighth pick in June’s draft, will return to practice in the next few days and get on the court for the preseason finale Friday against the Wizards at the Garden."

In truth I'm not all that impressed he didn't use it as a chance go to out on the town. He can't even legally drink and he SHOULD be watching games but good to see he's seeing things without having to be force fed.
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that's a pretty low bar being set  
Csonka : 10/11/2017 9:33 am : link
when we're supposed to be impressed that a rookie getting paid to be the point guard on the team actually watched the team play.
Haha  
GMEN46 : 10/11/2017 9:36 am : link
I would be more impressed if he wasn't so fragile and actually played. This may be the most useless article ever written, these writers must be depressed hat Melo was traded.
I don't think he was impressed that he watched the game  
steve in ky : 10/11/2017 9:37 am : link
but that he noticed they ran a couple new plays unfamiliar to him.
So a point guard watched a game  
hitdog42 : 10/11/2017 9:40 am : link
And noticed plays that were new and asked about them?
What is the story?
If I missed practice for a day I would be in early to go over anything new we put in? Can I get an article?
RE: Haha  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13642458 GMEN46 said:
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I would be more impressed if he wasn't so fragile and actually played. This may be the most useless article ever written, these writers must be depressed hat Melo was traded.

Didn't take long for Franks biggest fan to chime in with the usual negativity.
A+ from Popper  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 9:55 am : link
The Knicks front office has talked up this rebuild since taking over in the summer, convincing themselves that New York fans will be fine with it as long as they compete hard every night. It’s not an unreasonable assumption. It’s just that this iteration of the roster hasn’t shown a propensity for that hard work.

Around the time the executives were touting that work ethic and Hornacek was talking about building around defense, they were also signing Tim Hardaway Jr. and then readying to move out Carmelo Anthony and bringing back Enes Kanter and Doug McDermott. You can say what you want about those deals, but you really can’t say they are known as tenacious defenders.When the Knicks scroll the game film - if they really want to watch - they’ll see Hardaway giving up on a few Rockets buckets and they’ll see Hornacek’s favorite hard worker, Ron Baker, helpless in trying to stop Harden.

There were no hard fouls, which might be the quickest way to stop the Rockets from playfully creating a preseason highlight reel. The Knicks were beaten by the Brooklyn Nets by 34 points the night before. But beyond a hard foul, there is a simpler way to prevent these exclamation points in blowouts - be better.

The Knicks don’t talk much about that. Steve Mills, the Knicks president, stood on a stage with Doc O’Connor, the Madison Square Garden CEO, Tuesday morning and spoke about the similarities between their team and the newly-minted jersey sponsor, Squarespace.
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lol, can never have nice things.  
PhiPsi125 : 10/11/2017 10:02 am : link
Even a benign positive article about Frank's work ethic draws criticism from Knicks and NETS fans. Heaven forbid something positive is written about the Knicks.

That culture, tho! So fresh! Go Nets?
I missed the game so I found these Dotson highlights  
Heisenberg : 10/11/2017 10:02 am : link
He had a really nice game. Looks like he can be a contributor. Nice second round find.
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RE: lol, can never have nice things.  
hitdog42 : 10/11/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13642505 PhiPsi125 said:
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Even a benign positive article about Frank's work ethic draws criticism from Knicks and NETS fans. Heaven forbid something positive is written about the Knicks.

That culture, tho! So fresh! Go Nets?


Stop whining- I am objective on every knick thread- Spoke about frank in the half court after the preseason opener. Don’t be a baby- the article is fluff nonsense- doesn’t mean the guy won’t be a good or great player- but high fives for doing captain obvious stuff is silly.
RE: RE: lol, can never have nice things.  
PhiPsi125 : 10/11/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13642511 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 13642505 PhiPsi125 said:


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Even a benign positive article about Frank's work ethic draws criticism from Knicks and NETS fans. Heaven forbid something positive is written about the Knicks.

That culture, tho! So fresh! Go Nets?



Stop whining- I am objective on every knick thread- Spoke about frank in the half court after the preseason opener. Don’t be a baby- the article is fluff nonsense- doesn’t mean the guy won’t be a good or great player- but high fives for doing captain obvious stuff is silly.


Haha, fair enough.
New York Knicks fans are so impatient  
blueblood : 10/11/2017 10:09 am : link
that they cant even let the rebuild they have been crying about for 10 years take place the right way..
I guess I'm more disappointed  
Beezer : 10/11/2017 10:09 am : link
than impressed.

I understand he can't practice. But he can't fucking show up and be in the gym? He had to learn about new plays by watching the team on TV?

Holy shit.

Our AAU program practices once or twice a week, and last week I had two kids sidelined with ankle injuries (swear to God, not making that up lol) and they BOTH came to practice, one of them using crutches. And that's one high school senior and one high school freshman.

Why can't Frank attend practice?
RE: RE: lol, can never have nice things.  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13642511 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 13642505 PhiPsi125 said:


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Even a benign positive article about Frank's work ethic draws criticism from Knicks and NETS fans. Heaven forbid something positive is written about the Knicks.

That culture, tho! So fresh! Go Nets?



Stop whining- I am objective on every knick thread- Spoke about frank in the half court after the preseason opener. Don’t be a baby- the article is fluff nonsense- doesn’t mean the guy won’t be a good or great player- but high fives for doing captain obvious stuff is silly.

We're Knicks fans (and Giants fans), we'll take a high 5 anytime we can get one, lol
RE: I guess I'm more disappointed  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13642524 Beezer said:
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than impressed.

I understand he can't practice. But he can't fucking show up and be in the gym? He had to learn about new plays by watching the team on TV?

Holy shit.

Our AAU program practices once or twice a week, and last week I had two kids sidelined with ankle injuries (swear to God, not making that up lol) and they BOTH came to practice, one of them using crutches. And that's one high school senior and one high school freshman.

Why can't Frank attend practice?

The game was in Washington. What purpose does it serve to have him travel down there if he wasn't playing?
RE: I guess I'm more disappointed  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13642524 Beezer said:
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than impressed.

I understand he can't practice. But he can't fucking show up and be in the gym? He had to learn about new plays by watching the team on TV?

Holy shit.

Our AAU program practices once or twice a week, and last week I had two kids sidelined with ankle injuries (swear to God, not making that up lol) and they BOTH came to practice, one of them using crutches. And that's one high school senior and one high school freshman.

Why can't Frank attend practice?


?? He's been at practice

"Ntilikina didn’t do any running during Saturday’s practice, and coach Jeff Hornacek said he’ll determine whether the rookie is ready to come back during Monday’s shootaround."
RE: New York Knicks fans are so impatient  
PhiPsi125 : 10/11/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13642522 blueblood said:
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that they cant even let the rebuild they have been crying about for 10 years take place the right way..


If its one thing Knicks fans aren't, it's impatient. We've been waiting a loooong time and have had to travel through a mile of crap to get here. But go on...
So the Knicks draw up plays  
Beezer : 10/11/2017 10:16 am : link
for the very first time in the locker room in Washington?

OK.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 10:17 am : link
season 100% should be about KP/Willy/Frank/Dotson and improved effort. I could really care less about anything else.
RE: So the Knicks draw up plays  
nygiants16 : 10/11/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13642536 Beezer said:
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for the very first time in the locker room in Washington?

OK.


wait do you honestly think frank is sitting at homr and skipping practice?
Beez  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 10:19 am : link
so you are suggesting Hornacek has decided to randomly concoct a story in which he added new plays and Frank picked them up and asked about them?
lol  
Beezer : 10/11/2017 10:21 am : link
Dan, not at all what I'm saying.

I'm saying that a professional team ... on the road ... installing a couple plays in the locker room before a game ... strikes me as a bit disorganized, somewhat haphazard.
Quite honestly..it's the NBA  
Chris684 : 10/11/2017 10:27 am : link
I hope they do suck this year, it's supposed to be a top heavy draft and we still need another difference maker.

I like KP but I'm not sold on him. I'm most afraid of him staying healthy, but I also worry a little bit about his head after the toxic culture that has surrounded him since he's come into the league.

There is obviously no one else on this roster whose ceiling is higher than a nice player on a good team.
Knicks fans are thrilled about this rebuild.  
bceagle05 : 10/11/2017 10:30 am : link
By this time next year, I expect them to have a young group in place that will be the envy of a lot of teams around the league. Hopefully Hornacek and Rambis will be replaced by guys who command respect, too.
Knicks sign trey burke  
nygiants16 : 10/11/2017 10:51 am : link
..
RE: that's a pretty low bar being set  
djm : 10/11/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13642455 Csonka said:
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when we're supposed to be impressed that a rookie getting paid to be the point guard on the team actually watched the team play.


That's not why fans are impressed.
RE: Knicks sign trey burke  
Beezer : 10/11/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13642607 nygiants16 said:
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Why?
RE: So a point guard watched a game  
djm : 10/11/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13642467 hitdog42 said:
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And noticed plays that were new and asked about them?
What is the story?
If I missed practice for a day I would be in early to go over anything new we put in? Can I get an article?


Right...slob fans would certainly conduct themselves in a much more professional manner than typical rookie athletes. How do I know this? Everyone tells me so.



RE: A+ from Popper  
djm : 10/11/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13642494 DanMetroMan said:
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The Knicks front office has talked up this rebuild since taking over in the summer, convincing themselves that New York fans will be fine with it as long as they compete hard every night. It’s not an unreasonable assumption. It’s just that this iteration of the roster hasn’t shown a propensity for that hard work.

Around the time the executives were touting that work ethic and Hornacek was talking about building around defense, they were also signing Tim Hardaway Jr. and then readying to move out Carmelo Anthony and bringing back Enes Kanter and Doug McDermott. You can say what you want about those deals, but you really can’t say they are known as tenacious defenders.When the Knicks scroll the game film - if they really want to watch - they’ll see Hardaway giving up on a few Rockets buckets and they’ll see Hornacek’s favorite hard worker, Ron Baker, helpless in trying to stop Harden.

There were no hard fouls, which might be the quickest way to stop the Rockets from playfully creating a preseason highlight reel. The Knicks were beaten by the Brooklyn Nets by 34 points the night before. But beyond a hard foul, there is a simpler way to prevent these exclamation points in blowouts - be better.

The Knicks don’t talk much about that. Steve Mills, the Knicks president, stood on a stage with Doc O’Connor, the Madison Square Garden CEO, Tuesday morning and spoke about the similarities between their team and the newly-minted jersey sponsor, Squarespace. Link - ( New Window )


A+ ?? Because the Knicks didn't adopt the new layups rule in a preseason game and because they aren't any good despite being literally 2 hrs into a rebuild?

Ok.
You can't talk up defense as the core of your new "look"  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:18 am : link
and then make your offseason adds be Kanter (Horrendous defensively), THjr (below average), McDermott (terrible), Beasley (not his thing) and then let an admitted poor defensive coach (HE wanted a defensive coordinator) be the guy who is supposed to institute it. The defensive effort was LAUGHABLE the last 2 games

"Around the time the executives were touting that work ethic and Hornacek was talking about building around defense, they were also signing Tim Hardaway Jr. and then readying to move out Carmelo Anthony and bringing back Enes Kanter and Doug McDermott. You can say what you want about those deals, but you really can’t say they are known as tenacious defenders.When the Knicks scroll the game film - if they really want to watch - they’ll see Hardaway giving up on a few Rockets buckets and they’ll see Hornacek’s favorite hard worker, Ron Baker, helpless in trying to stop Harden."

100% on point.
If  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:18 am : link
you think the defensive effort is because it's merely a pre-season game prepare to be very, very disappointed.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:28 am : link
Knicks have allowed 115, 104, 117 and 117. That's absolutely pathetic, pre-season or not.
RE: Knicks sign trey burke  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13642607 nygiants16 said:
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Berger thinks it's about his DLeague rights. Might not be a good sign for Jarrett Jack. Might be PG depth if Jack is sent packing.
The D is going to be a major issue...  
Italianju : 10/11/2017 11:30 am : link
but you are not getting hard fouls in a preseason game, thats not todays NBA. Also there are maybe a handful of players on the planet that can slow down harden. Obviously Ron Baker isnt one of them, not sure why he even brings that up.

Im so tired of watching teams hit a million 3's on us. Guard the damn 3 point line and figure out how a basic defensive rotation shoudl work.
Thomas? wow  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:32 am : link
…it’s worth noting that teams have expressed interest in [Kyle] O’Quinn and [Lance] Thomas in the weeks leading up to the preseason, per league sources.-Berger
unless those teams are offering Ryan Anderson..  
Italianju : 10/11/2017 11:35 am : link
type deals for Thomas then ill drive him to whoever wants him.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:35 am : link
Knicks allowed the Rockets to shoot 48% from 3, 54% from the field. 22 3 pointers!! That's an embarrassment and yes that's about effort. Oh, but the Rockets are contenders...but

The Nets... 42% from 3, 50% from the field
RE: Thomas? wow  
BigBlueShock : 10/11/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13642671 DanMetroMan said:
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…it’s worth noting that teams have expressed interest in [Kyle] O’Quinn and [Lance] Thomas in the weeks leading up to the preseason, per league sources.-Berger

Jeezus, what are they waiting for? I'll drive Thomas to the airport
RE: unless those teams are offering Ryan Anderson..  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13642678 Italianju said:
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type deals for Thomas then ill drive him to whoever wants him.


Watch it will be another center. I'd give Lance Thomas away (just don't take back a worse deal). I wouldn't "give away" KOQ but I'd obviously deal him if the right deal came along.
Knicks should NOT  
brunswick : 10/11/2017 11:38 am : link
deal KOQ now...only player on this team that adds a defensive presence.

I can't see this team winning more than 23-25 games. This team is not athletic, has no toughness, etc...other than that they might be fine. LONG LONG YEAR
RE: Knicks should NOT  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13642685 brunswick said:
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I can't see this team winning more than 23-25 games.


Why on earth would I want them to?

RE: The  
Sgrcts : 10/11/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13642679 DanMetroMan said:
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Knicks allowed the Rockets to shoot 48% from 3, 54% from the field. 22 3 pointers!! That's an embarrassment and yes that's about effort. Oh, but the Rockets are contenders...but

The Nets... 42% from 3, 50% from the field



Dan you're better then this. Its a few games into the preseason, and we're SUPPOSED to be bad this year. Knicks are finally doing the right thing and you're killing them? You know more about basketball then that. How has that Wolves defense been the last few years, even with Thibs?

I like the Burke signing- he's been bad in the NBA, but he's only 24 and a former top 10 pick. Knicks should absolutely be giving anyone under 25 a look who is on the scrap heap. Those guys do turn into contributors sometimes, might as well take the chance to see if it can be here.
Flounder for Porter!  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 11:46 am : link
60+ losses or bust
RE: Knicks should NOT  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13642685 brunswick said:
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deal KOQ now...only player on this team that adds a defensive presence.

I can't see this team winning more than 23-25 games. This team is not athletic, has no toughness, etc...other than that they might be fine. LONG LONG YEAR


He's a FA after the year. If they get a multi-year piece or pick you move him. You aren't giving Kyle O'Quinn a significant contract to backup KP and the league just gave the corpse of Nick Collison 2 years 20, Christiano Feliciano 4 years 32 million and Taj Gibson 2 years 28...
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DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13642692 Sgrcts said:
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In comment 13642679 DanMetroMan said:


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Knicks allowed the Rockets to shoot 48% from 3, 54% from the field. 22 3 pointers!! That's an embarrassment and yes that's about effort. Oh, but the Rockets are contenders...but

The Nets... 42% from 3, 50% from the field




Dan you're better then this. Its a few games into the preseason, and we're SUPPOSED to be bad this year. Knicks are finally doing the right thing and you're killing them? You know more about basketball then that. How has that Wolves defense been the last few years, even with Thibs?

I like the Burke signing- he's been bad in the NBA, but he's only 24 and a former top 10 pick. Knicks should absolutely be giving anyone under 25 a look who is on the scrap heap. Those guys do turn into contributors sometimes, might as well take the chance to see if it can be here.


What? I can't blast the defensive EFFORT being put forward? The Nets have an awful lineup/talent as well. Why aren't they being embarrassed by the Knicks? Why aren't they giving up 110+ per night? The Knicks effort has been bad enough that the MSG talking heads (homers) have trashed them.
RE: Flounder for Porter!  
Sgrcts : 10/11/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13642694 Greg from LI said:
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60+ losses or bust


I'm going with

#bekakaforluka
#loseinthefirstquarterforporter
#winstarvinformarvin
They  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:50 am : link
could go 0-82 and I'd be 100% fine with it but to imply the defense/defensive effort is "because it's pre-season" or to talk up the new identity being defense and then have the off-season you and the the pre-season they are having (effort wise) comes off as really silly. If you want to say the "defense/effort" mantra is just BS talk from a GM/president then so be it. THjr being talked up on BBI as a "plus" defender? Yeah okay. He looks better with the ball in his hands, more creative and hopefully he can be a help but I've seen Kanter's defense "defended" on here and THjr talked up. The defense and defense effort is pathetic.
KOQ  
brunswick : 10/11/2017 11:51 am : link
what type of offers are you getting for him now...not much. I never said not to deal him...you absolutely deal him down the road but he needs to play decent minutes now. Noone is giving you anything for O'Quinn right now.
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Sgrcts : 10/11/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13642698 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13642679 DanMetroMan said:


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Knicks allowed the Rockets to shoot 48% from 3, 54% from the field. 22 3 pointers!! That's an embarrassment and yes that's about effort. Oh, but the Rockets are contenders...but

The Nets... 42% from 3, 50% from the field




Dan you're better then this. Its a few games into the preseason, and we're SUPPOSED to be bad this year. Knicks are finally doing the right thing and you're killing them? You know more about basketball then that. How has that Wolves defense been the last few years, even with Thibs?

I like the Burke signing- he's been bad in the NBA, but he's only 24 and a former top 10 pick. Knicks should absolutely be giving anyone under 25 a look who is on the scrap heap. Those guys do turn into contributors sometimes, might as well take the chance to see if it can be here.



What? I can't blast the defensive EFFORT being put forward? The Nets have an awful lineup/talent as well. Why aren't they being embarrassed by the Knicks? Why aren't they giving up 110+ per night? The Knicks effort has been bad enough that the MSG talking heads (homers) have trashed them.


I mean sure, but in the preseason when we're playing 11 guys, none of whom are KP, Frank or Wily, who cares? That's worth multiple posts to complain about?

We ALL have been waiting years for the Knicks to do what they're doing now. Lets give it some time and see what happens. Can we even get one season of just being awful and letting the kids learn, an offseason with another high draft pick and a new coaching staff(hopefully) and see what happens?
Again  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 11:54 am : link
Jeff Hornacek was having trouble coaching defense in Phoenix so he brought in Longabardi as a "defensive coordinator" of sorts. Phil hires him, they try for Longabardi knowing Hornacek's "issues" with defense. They can't get him, decide to go without such a coach... defense and defensive effort are embarrassing and they decide Rambis will now fill this role.

No better so they decide Rambis will no longer fill this role and it will be more of a "group" thing. So we get to pre-season and see them allow the Nets to shoot 14/22 in the first quarter and allow the Rockets to nail 22 3's (many of which 100% wide open). It's more than fair to nail the Knicks on defense and what their defensive effort is.
I'm not getting too worked up about it for two reasons  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 11:57 am : link
1)Hornacek is just a placeholder. I'm sure Perry will get his own guy in there once someone he likes is available.

2)Most of these horrific defenders will be gone in a year or two.
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