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Would a Manning trade be feasible?

Tark10 : 10/11/2017 9:36 am
I'm still a Manning supporter. This team will need to be rebuilt. Would trading Eli to Jacksonville or Minnesota be a possible option? This team could use another draft pick and Eli deserves far better. No O-line, no running game and no receivers. I would hate to see Eli carted off the field at this stage of his career.
Look at the dead cap hit  
JonC : 10/11/2017 9:37 am : link
and Eli holds an NTC, reportedly.
No.  
Gman11 : 10/11/2017 9:38 am : link
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If he is traded it will be after the season  
Jay on the Island : 10/11/2017 9:40 am : link
I would expect Elway to be interested in adding Eli at the right price. It will all come down to where they finish. If they are in position to get one of the top QB's then they will certainly take one. I have been a Reese supporter since he was hired but I think that it is time for a change. I fear that he might pass on one of the top QB's just because he used a 3rd round pick last year on Webb. We all know how patient he is with his draft selections.
This has been rehashed over the past couple of days/weeks.  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2017 9:41 am : link
Eli has a No Trade Clause. Yes, he can waive it.

If a trade could be orchestrated before the trade deadline, then we get to eat the cap hit this year. We would save the salary expenses remaining on the contract.

If the trade deadline passes, then there is a 3 day window at the start of the league year a trade could be worked out (requiring Eli to waive the NTC). On the 3rd day of the league year, Eli earns a $5 MM roster bonus.

If Eli is released before the roster bonus, then the Giants can get some cap relief in that they can designate his release as a June 1st cut and spread the cap charge over 2 years.

Montana got trades  
joeinpa : 10/11/2017 9:48 am : link
Peyton was let go, Eli could be traded
He'd have to waive the NtC  
MetsAreBack : 10/11/2017 10:00 am : link
And mid season qb traded are so rare given must learn new offense... but Eli would make a ton of sense for Jacksonville. Despite havjng maybe the worst qb in football (he threw for 90 yards and a pick in a 30-9 win last week), Jacksonville has a great shot to win its shitty division. Plus the whole Coughlin connection.

From Eli's standpoint .... better oline, fournette/run game, very good defense and no state income tax.
RE: This has been rehashed over the past couple of days/weeks.  
micky : 10/11/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13642471 Diver_Down said:
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Eli has a No Trade Clause. Yes, he can waive it.

If a trade could be orchestrated before the trade deadline, then we get to eat the cap hit this year. We would save the salary expenses remaining on the contract.

If the trade deadline passes, then there is a 3 day window at the start of the league year a trade could be worked out (requiring Eli to waive the NTC). On the 3rd day of the league year, Eli earns a $5 MM roster bonus.

If Eli is released before the roster bonus, then the Giants can get some cap relief in that they can designate his release as a June 1st cut and spread the cap charge over 2 years.


ty..clarifying the specifics
Hate to say it but Dallas is the perfect fit  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2017 10:20 am : link
Dez and Witten only have a few years left just like Eli. Put him behind that OL with Zeke. They would be the best offense in the league

Jones is also the type of owner who would do it. Giants would never trade him to Dallas but how do you know Coughlin wouldn’t if you sent Eli to Jax
Salary cap question  
Beer Man : 10/11/2017 10:22 am : link
If team trades a player with outstanding guaranteed money on the books, does the new team pickup the remaining dead money balance, or does the remaining dead money hit the team trading the player.
RE: Hate to say it but Dallas is the perfect fit  
ShockNRoll : 10/11/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13642552 Vanzetti said:
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Dez and Witten only have a few years left just like Eli. Put him behind that OL with Zeke. They would be the best offense in the league

Jones is also the type of owner who would do it. Giants would never trade him to Dallas but how do you know Coughlin wouldn’t if you sent Eli to Jax


I really can't tell if this is a joke or not. I'm going to operate under the assumption it is. LOL, this is great!
RE: Salary cap question  
AcidTest : 10/11/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13642555 Beer Man said:
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If team trades a player with outstanding guaranteed money on the books, does the new team pickup the remaining dead money balance, or does the remaining dead money hit the team trading the player.


It hits the team trading the player (Giants).

Excellent summary Diver_Down.
That OL in Dallas ain't what it used to be  
jcn56 : 10/11/2017 10:30 am : link
Dak is regularly on the move. Eli would be a liability there.

Don't think it's all that much better in Jax.

Eli's price tag means we're not getting anything in return. If he wants to move on, it likely means we're cutting him.
Unless he wants out  
Sammo85 : 10/11/2017 10:34 am : link
Eli is likely here next year, regardless if we take a hot prospect QB in the draft.

But there's no doubt in my mind 2018 will be it for Eli as a Giant.
Please make this  
Blue Moon : 10/11/2017 10:34 am : link
Moronic chatter stop!!
RE: RE: Salary cap question  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13642565 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13642555 Beer Man said:


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If team trades a player with outstanding guaranteed money on the books, does the new team pickup the remaining dead money balance, or does the remaining dead money hit the team trading the player.



It hits the team trading the player (Giants).

Excellent summary Diver_Down.


I just wanted to provide the basics scenarios without commentary as it seems it is lost on the vast majority of fans what can be done.

To also add to the breakdown, we can't afford cap wise to trade him this year. We would have to shuffle money around to make it work. We do not have the cap space to eat Manning's cap hit that remains on his contract.

After the trade deadline, teams cannot inquire about other players that are under contract to another team. It is called tampering. Once the league year opens, then a trade can occur next year. There are 3 days to orchestrate a trade before the roster bonus is due. Eli has $5 MM reasons not to waive the NTC. If he is released, he can negotiate a current market value contract. Suffice to say, he is worth more than $10.5 MM cash salary due next year. If Glennon can negotiate a $16 MM/yr salary, Manning a 2x SB MVP is certainly worth more.
RE: Please make this  
jcn56 : 10/11/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13642578 Blue Moon said:
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Moronic chatter stop!!


That the BBI mods allow this troll to continue to post after he admits he's got dupe handles is bizarre.
Please  
blueblood'11 : 10/11/2017 10:40 am : link
The Giants are not trading Eli so why even bring it up.
While all points above  
jvm52106 : 10/11/2017 10:40 am : link
are valid, things could change quickly.. 1) Minnesota may be done with Bradford for the year. His knee is shot. 2) if Bortles were to get injured this weekend then that could everything..

Teams that may be interested now if an injury were to occur:

1) Denver- if TS gets hurt no way to they hope Brock is the guy the rest of the year and Lynch is definitely not.
2) Dallas- Prescott goes down and the Boys make a call.
3) Jacksonville- mentioned above
4) Pittsburgh- Mara's and Rooney's have a good relationship...
5) New England- If Brady went down how Ironic would it be if the the Pats came calling about Eli.
I am not saying it will  
jvm52106 : 10/11/2017 10:42 am : link
happen or even should but, if a team with clear SB possibilities loses their guy this weekend that could change..

Manning trade  
Jim Bob Cooter : 10/11/2017 10:42 am : link
Florio is pushing this now too
Florio: Should the Jaguars make a play for Eli Manning? - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Please make this  
Blue Moon : 10/11/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13642584 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13642578 Blue Moon said:


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Moronic chatter stop!!



That the BBI mods allow this troll to continue to post after he admits he's got dupe handles is bizarre.



Do some research. Not certain you quite understand what a dupe handle is. It would imply that numerous handles are being used at the same time to post opinions . FYI!!!
RE: Manning trade  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13642592 Jim Bob Cooter said:
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Florio is pushing this now too Florio: Should the Jaguars make a play for Eli Manning? - ( New Window )


What they don't take into account is the NTC.
RE: Montana got trades  
djstat : 10/11/2017 10:54 am : link
In comment 13642482 joeinpa said:
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Peyton was let go, Eli could be traded
. Montana forced the trade. Peyton was released when the regime was sent packing. Eli could be traded wire but if he does not want to be and has a no trade clause, he wont.
It was being discussed on the NFL Network  
RetroJint : 10/11/2017 11:08 am : link
last night. Of course it's feasible. McAdoo has been critical of Eli's play since last off season. Marrone doesn't trust Bortles. They are winning down there with Bortles throwing 11 passes a game. That only goes so far. Coughlin is paid the utmost respect by the family. With the defense and running back that they have, with their division serving as a launch pad, you don't think both principals would be open to that deal?

In all likelihood the Giants will be sub-500 in 18.
He ain't Montana or Peyton  
xman : 10/11/2017 11:10 am : link
Eli is ready for the cow pasture
RE: Salary cap question  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/11/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13642555 Beer Man said:
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If team trades a player with outstanding guaranteed money on the books, does the new team pickup the remaining dead money balance, or does the remaining dead money hit the team trading the player.

Remaining signing bonus that had been amortized over the life of the deal all comes due for the original team; upcoming guaranteed salary and other bonuses that are not yet paid become the responsibility of the acquiring team.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/11/2017 11:21 am : link
I don't think the NTC is the issue - I can't imagine Eli wanting to play in front of a top five pick QB when he can compete immediately with another franchise.
RE: RE: RE: Salary cap question  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/11/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13642581 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13642565 AcidTest said:


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In comment 13642555 Beer Man said:


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If team trades a player with outstanding guaranteed money on the books, does the new team pickup the remaining dead money balance, or does the remaining dead money hit the team trading the player.



It hits the team trading the player (Giants).

Excellent summary Diver_Down.



I just wanted to provide the basics scenarios without commentary as it seems it is lost on the vast majority of fans what can be done.

To also add to the breakdown, we can't afford cap wise to trade him this year. We would have to shuffle money around to make it work. We do not have the cap space to eat Manning's cap hit that remains on his contract.

After the trade deadline, teams cannot inquire about other players that are under contract to another team. It is called tampering. Once the league year opens, then a trade can occur next year. There are 3 days to orchestrate a trade before the roster bonus is due. Eli has $5 MM reasons not to waive the NTC. If he is released, he can negotiate a current market value contract. Suffice to say, he is worth more than $10.5 MM cash salary due next year. If Glennon can negotiate a $16 MM/yr salary, Manning a 2x SB MVP is certainly worth more.

What you might be missing is that Eli can waive the NTC in order to earn that $5MM. In other words, if there is a trade on the table to a destination that he finds acceptable (or even desirable), he could waive the NTC within the first three days of the new league year which would put the new team on the hook for the $5MM bonus plus his 2018 salary.

So while you might be correct about Eli earning more than $10.5MM on the open market (I'm not necessarily sure that you're right, if only because of age, but just going along with your scenario), it's considerably less likely that he'll get a contract that will exceed $16MM (he has a $500K workout bonus as well, as I'm sure you know) or $33MM over two years for his age 37/38 seasons.
I just don't see it. Ownership is going to be loyal to Eli.  
Vincenzo : 10/11/2017 12:06 pm : link
When they go in a new direction at QB, isn't Eli the perfect guy to mentor whoever the new signal caller ends up being? There is a ton of value in Eli showing him the ropes, both on and off the field.

Whether it's Webb or one of the top college prospects, none of them will be ready to take the reigns next year. Eli gives us the best chance to be successful next season. As grim as it currently looks, it wouldn't be unrealistic for the Giants to put together a strong 2018 season. The NFL is extremely momentum based and with a few key additions, there is enough talent in house to make some noise.

Take the QB of the future with a likely top 5 pick this season. 10 years from now, we might look back on this season as a blessing, allowing us to secure our next franchise QB for the next 15+ years. The last thing we need is to have our QB situation in turmoil 3 years from now during Odell's true prime.
Feasible? Not now.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/11/2017 12:30 pm : link
Possible after the season if everybody agrees that's time for a full-on rebuild around a new everything.
For fun  
TyreeHelmet : 10/11/2017 1:17 pm : link
I know this isnt happening, but if he did, what would you be happy with as compensation and what do you think a contender would give up?
For fun  
Fish : 10/11/2017 2:28 pm : link
If Eli was on Jacksonville by week 8, instant super bowl contenders
It would be ideal for both parties.  
Keith : 10/11/2017 2:35 pm : link
The dead cap hit is a non-factor because we'd be re-tooling if we did trade him.

Eli has diminished greatly, IMO, but he's still a starting caliber QB and could have some success behind a rock solid OL. I'd 100% be for trading Eli if we could get multiple top picks.
JFC will this ever stop?  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 2:39 pm : link
The cap hit is ridiculous and he has a NTC.

Please stop with these threads.
Who is trading for a soon to be 37 year old QB?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/11/2017 2:39 pm : link
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RE: Who is trading for a soon to be 37 year old QB?  
Beer Man : 10/11/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13643175 Dave in Hoboken said:
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NFL Network has a recording on their website debating an Eli trade to the Jags. Argument for it is that the Jags are stacked, but need a QB that can lead them. Its all their opinions and speculation, as they do not know of any trade talks between the teams.
Jags don't need to do anything  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2017 3:43 pm : link
Team hasn't won more than 5 games in a season in 7 years. If they win 8 games, Marrone and Coughlin will be acclaimed as heroes. They'll get another good draft under their belts and be ready to contend next season. whether they have Manning or not.

On top of which, I don't see any other team being interested in helping to solve the Giants' issues, especially the Jaguars. So, yeah, if the Giants are willing to take a bag of used jockstraps in return for their qb and his contract, there can be a deal.

What are you willing to settle for to trade Manning? How desperate are you to trade him?
RE: JFC will this ever stop?  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13643170 B in ALB said:
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The cap hit is ridiculous and he has a NTC.

Please stop with these threads.
He can waive his no-trade clause. Do you really think he wouldn't do that to get out of this shit-show and go to a contender?
No one loves Eli more than me  
Go Terps : 10/11/2017 3:46 pm : link
I would trade him or anyone else (including our current rookies) for draft picks. I would make every player available in trade.

Cap space and draft picks. This is a complete teardown.
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