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Despite cries for a youth movement from the 0-5-and-sinking Giants, the reality is that Manning is likely to start every game this season, as long as he's healthy (which granted, given the state of the Giants' offensive line, could be a short-term thing). And that's absolutely the way it should be. It's not in deference to Manning either, or to his streak of consecutive starts -- which stands at a remarkable 204. It's because it's the best thing for the Giants. And maybe for Webb, too. |
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And even if Webb was ready, why would the Giants put him in a situation like that? Most young quarterbacks struggle at the start of their careers. What's the benefit of putting him behind the same bad line that battered Manning, with maybe Lewis and Rudolph as his top receivers? That would give Webb no chance for any kind of success. |
Hell, if they were thinking highly enough of Webb from the jump would they have kept Smith?
Maybe you play Webb in a blowout either way..........
Hell, if they were thinking highly enough of Webb from the jump would they have kept Smith?
Been listing that as one of the primary reasons all week. How in the world do you even get an evaluation of Webb behind this O-line, with no running game, and none of the starting WR's?
Even if he had talent, you'd shell shock him into David Carr.
The realization of the end of the Eli era is here. At most we're looking at the remainder of this year and maybe 2018, but maybe less.
I remember this feeling only twice before.
Patrick Ewing and Mike Piazza.
Trubisky Is working with less in CHI.
Putting Webb in would sacrifice the other young players opportunities for development, as well.
Stop making sense.
Nobody is saying start the guy in a week. But saying it is not intelligent to prepare Webb to take meaningful snaps in a wasted year is well.... unintelligent.
No it is not. It the organization does not think he has developed enough...they would be doing him harm in starting him. From the get go...they said Webb was developmental and not ready to start or even be the backup. Think of wine...drink it too early and it tastes like shit. Play Webb before he is ready...he will look like shit.
The pro does not outweigh the cons.
Trubisky Is working with less in CHI.
So you're gonna drool over Tarik Cohen and then say Trubisky has less? Ok.
CHI OL and running game is in a different galaxy than NYG.
And secondly, Trubisky was the 2nd overall pick.
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before the ‘18 draft. If they don’t it’s an organizational failure
No it is not. It the organization does not think he has developed enough...they would be doing him harm in starting him. From the get go...they said Webb was developmental and not ready to start or even be the backup. Think of wine...drink it too early and it tastes like shit. Play Webb before he is ready...he will look like shit.
Why, is he Christian Hackenberg?
In this day and age, if the guy is unable to start at some point in year one, the Giants have their answer as to whether to draft a QB with the first pick next year.
The pro does not outweigh the cons.
The pros are to see how Webb performs and to evaluate whether to take a QB in round 1. I can't think of a single con. To the team's future.
You choosing to ignore them doesn't mean they are not there.
Manning is not getting benched for Webb. And in the event that Manning were to get injured, it would likely be Geno Smith before Webb.
Webb would have to go out there and light the world on fire otherwise, and there's little to no chance of that.
I do think he should get some reps this year, but I don't think it should be an entire game or even halves, I think you stand a greater chance of destroying the guy than you do of proving what he's got.
Manning is not getting benched for Webb. And in the event that Manning were to get injured, it would likely be Geno Smith before Webb.
I guess that's the same thinking that's led to 5 losing seasons out of the last 6. Manning is not being "benched." The team needs to look to the future and evaluate what they have before deciding whether to take a QB in round one.
Webb proving he can throw a ball in a few meaningless games later this year when the team is down by 24 points in the 4th quarter won't prevent the Giants from doing the smart thing and taking a highly regarded QB prospect in the draft.
I liked Webb in college, but I'm very much skeptical of his ceiling as a Pro.
Amen, so damn true. I miss Madden. Hope he is well.
Manning is not getting benched for Webb. And in the event that Manning were to get injured, it would likely be Geno Smith before Webb.
I don't see Manning getting benched for a number of reasons. One reason not mentioned here by others is that i think McAdoo wants Eli to be the goat and I don't mean that as Greatest of All-Time. He can't trash the O-line that points at Reese. He can't blame injuries as they are only really present now (at 0-5).. His knocks on Eli have been obvious and I think they will continue..
I truly believe this is it for Eli in NY if McAdoo stays as coach!
Trubisky Is working with less in CHI.
Trubisky has a great run game to back him up. If Webb comes in it's all on him to move the ball.
Maybe you play Webb in a blowout either way..........
yup, Webb will get plenty of mop up duty down the stretch.
My biggest fear in all of this is that Eli somehow gets this team to 5-11 or 6-10 and completely blows the draft position.
1. He's not the backup QB.
2. Nobody sees him as a savior.
3. The only point is to get a young player some PT to evaluate his talent.
They should give all of the young players more PT in this lost season.
Gallman? He should get all of the work. Vereen doesn't need to play. He'll be cut at the end of the year. Give Gallman all of the PT.
Backup DEs? Give them a lot more work.
Apple? He should start the rest of the way.
A young QB? We aren't talking about playing him this week. Give him weeks of prep and give him a 4-6 game stretch to start at the end of the year.
He would have Sheppard, Engram, Ellison, and Gallman. That's enough to see what he can do.
Its a much smarter plan then keep him on the bench because Eli has a streak.
And there are no cons to playing him? If he struggles? Great. Lets see how he reacts to it.
You can't be serious. We should be worried about a rookies resume(whatever that means)?
He has nothing at WR and TE. Nothing.
Trubisky had very little college experience. Similar to Webb. They got him ready in one week.
I also drooled over Engram and Sheppard. If Webb gets weeks to prep and he has Engram, Sheappard, Ellison, and Gallam, then he has enough.
Its enough to see what he can do.
Our O Line is bad but it isn't as bad as many here want to believe (presumably to absolve Eli)... whether or not they end up doing it, there is something to be gained by seeing Webb play QB sooner rather than later.
there will still be plenty of opptys to see Webb's accuracy, ability to make plays on the move, make quick decisions, read defenses, audible at the line, etc... it doesn't have to be the only evaluation but it is at least a start.
in fact, to me the bigger argument against playing Webb isn't the Oline, but the lack of a competent receiving core.
that said, once we hit 10 games into the season, unless we are 4-6 or 5-5, I am going to root for Webb to see some meaningful playing time.
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So you're gonna drool over Tarik Cohen and then say Trubisky has less? Ok.
He has nothing at WR and TE. Nothing.
Trubisky had very little college experience. Similar to Webb. They got him ready in one week.
I also drooled over Engram and Sheppard. If Webb gets weeks to prep and he has Engram, Sheappard, Ellison, and Gallam, then he has enough.
Its enough to see what he can do.
So you're just going to avoid the OL issue. Makes sense.
it will last 17 years this time. That is a tongue and cheek
comment, nothing more. Keep in mind, Vacchiano wrote a book with Eli after they won a SB, so he will slant his musings
towards Eli. When the season goes down the tubes, it wouldn't
hurt to see Webb play some. Around here, it is earth shattering news if Eli doesn't play a game or two.
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So you're gonna drool over Tarik Cohen and then say Trubisky has less? Ok.
He has nothing at WR and TE. Nothing.
Trubisky had very little college experience. Similar to Webb. They got him ready in one week.
I also drooled over Engram and Sheppard. If Webb gets weeks to prep and he has Engram, Sheappard, Ellison, and Gallam, then he has enough.
Its enough to see what he can do.
So you're just going to avoid the OL issue. Makes sense.
If the OL is the determining issue, then Geno Smith should be starting over Manning.
Eli hardly plays...and for what...to see Smith and Johnson?
So you admit the OL sucks but you want to throw a rookie QB behind it for shits and giggles?
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So keep playing Eli when the team is 0-10? Makes sense.
So you admit the OL sucks but you want to throw a rookie QB behind it for shits and giggles?
How about playing with no QB and going back to the single wing?
That's a sure fire way to solve your QB problem because Eli would ask out of this chicken sh*t outfit, and I wouldn't disagree with him.
That's a sure fire way to solve your QB problem because Eli would ask out of this chicken sh*t outfit, and I wouldn't disagree with him.
So? He's going to be 37. They need to think about the future, not his ego.
And try and keep up here. Not saying put him in now or "throw in the rookie". Give him more work in practice for weeks. Then give him 4-6 games at the end of the year.
It gives you film on the QB on an NFL field.
Rookie QBs usually play on overmatched teams. If he struggles and crumbles better to find out during a lost season. Then we move on. If he plays great ball then you probably don't want to spend a high pick on a college QB.
Elis a smart guy. I'd bet on him not having a problem taking a seat for a month on this 0-10 team.
I can guarantee Eli wants to keep his streak alive, and wants to play.
Agree with you on how the team likely plays it out —- but disagree on going that way.
Again nobody is saying bench Eli- but it is undeniable that it would be a good thing for the team to see Webb play several half’s of football whether he starts or not during an 2-14 season.
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for those wanting to see Webb in games this season. Perhaps he'll get some late season, late game burn.
Agree with you on how the team likely plays it out —- but disagree on going that way.
Again nobody is saying bench Eli- but it is undeniable that it would be a good thing for the team to see Webb play several half’s of football whether he starts or not during an 2-14 season.
Actually there are a few saying to bench Eli.
I wonder if coaches actually evaluate 3rd QB during the off season and practice?
I can guarantee Eli wants to keep his streak alive, and wants to play.
People seem to see Eli as some selfless powderpuff, at least when it suits them.
The idea that he'd be all good with the one thing he seems to openly acknowledge as taking a lot pride in being taken away from him, when he's already "lost" a lot of other things that were once in his favor, is laughable.
Once he's benched, there's going to be no going back and cutting him (or less likely trading him) is locked in. Which is how it should be anyway at this point, given the total organizational tear down needed.
Having a big problem with it does = selfish asshole. And that's not Eli.
I've said before Eli's feeling are entirely irrelevant and the team should subtract all sentimentality and give Webb the starts, but trying to act like he's not going to have them, that he's that selfless and big picture (that has no benefit to him, as he's not in it) over something that clearly means an enormous amount to him is ridiculous. I'm sure it would mostly be kept behind the scenes for image purposes, but he's likely going to be majorly pissed off if they take it from him on his way out and that's okay for him to feel that way, just like it's okay for the team to not care.
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for those wanting to see Webb in games this season. Perhaps he'll get some late season, late game burn.
Agree with you on how the team likely plays it out —- but disagree on going that way.
Again nobody is saying bench Eli- but it is undeniable that it would be a good thing for the team to see Webb play several half’s of football whether he starts or not during an 2-14 season.
Football teams tend to defer to the incumbent who has won Super Bowls, until they simply can no longer ignore it. Not sure Webb will elevate himself to the point of making it an issue either, it's not likely to happen for the sake of it.
The competitive stuff is out the window when your 0-10. Nothing he can do at that point. Step back and let a young player get PT.
My biggest fear in all of this is that Eli somehow gets this team to 5-11 or 6-10 and completely blows the draft position.
6-10 would mean that in the face of a team spiraling out of control and taking on a MUCH more brutal schedule, Eli can carve out a winning record of 6-5.
If that somehow happened than Eli would be certainly far better than he's shown this season.
Isn't it, though? This is the end of the Eli era any way you look at it.
Starting Webb or not, that part is a fact.
The competitive stuff is out the window when your 0-10. Nothing he can do at that point. Step back and let a young player get PT.
The competitive stuff is never out the window unless you're done and/or never wanted it that much in the first place.
He can have a big problem with it and it won't say a thing about him other than losing something that you take pride in hurts. Just like the team can tell him to get fucked, time's up, and it'll just say it's a business from their end.
Tank this season!!!! It's done, it's over!