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DRC left Giants facility

The Dude : 10/11/2017 1:45 pm
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Coach McAdoo: DRC came in today and decided to leave. We will suspend him. #NYGiants
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Fans always blame the coach  
joeinpa : 10/11/2017 2:52 pm : link
That s a easy fix. Maybe the team just hasn as players.
RE: It is unreal  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13643167 Matt in SGS said:
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how this shit came apart after only 5 games. To be honest, the Dallas opener seemed to really be such a harbinger that so much was wrong with the team. In that one game, with how bad the offense was, everything was stripped from the team. A reality that "holy shit, we didn't fix the offensive problems with all the changes" (ignoring the OL didn't help) And then the wheels came off far too quick.

It's like the 1995 opener against Dallas on Monday Night. The Giants finished 1994 strong, signed Herschel and Mike Croel thinking the Giants were ready to challenge Dallas...and got curb stomped 35-0 and set the table for a 5-11 season and really the beginning of the end of Reeves and Dave Brown.

This tells you that the Giants were a timebomb which everything was held off by an 11-5 record in 2016, but it was waiting to go off. And it did.
or 1971 when they thought they were ready to contend after going 9-5 the year before. Thinking their team was ready to contend, they go and draft Rocky Thompson and Wayne Walton while the Raiders take Jack Tatum, Phil Vilipiano and Clarence Davis right behind them. The Giants finished 4-10, Tarkenton had enough and they traded him back to the Vikings for a bag of used athletic socks.
So everybody on offense gets a free pass  
SHO'NUFF : 10/11/2017 2:52 pm : link
but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
Mac already working his magic...  
BillKo : 10/11/2017 2:53 pm : link
...DRC back tomorrow.

Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.
RE: Mac already working his magic...  
Sammo85 : 10/11/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13643239 BillKo said:
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...DRC back tomorrow.

Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.



LOL! What magic?

Could he sprinkle some on the damn offense?

He's lost the team and has no credibility with the players or the fan base.
Any  
joeinpa : 10/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
Players. Who the hell knows at this point
RE: So everybody on offense gets a free pass  
BillKo : 10/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13643238 SHO'NUFF said:
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but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.


Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.

They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.

Last year counts as crap now.
RE: Mac already working his magic...  
Britt in VA : 10/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13643239 BillKo said:
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...DRC back tomorrow.

Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.


The only magic Ben McAdoo had was deflecting from his sh-tshow of an offense with that mirage of an 11-5 record last year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: McAdoo is not a great coach  
jlukes : 10/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13643176 YAJ2112 said:
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but a player should not quit on his teammates. Taking off your pads is childish at the very least. Go up and act like the millionaire you are.

Ridiculous



grow up



Did you just fucking argue with yourself?



Bahahaha, nice catch


He meant to say grow up instead of go up,so he corrected himself.
RE: So everybody on offense gets a free pass  
Victor in CT : 10/11/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13643238 SHO'NUFF said:
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but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.


I'll ask this: Did McAdoo hire Spags? Or any of the D coaches? No. ANd he probably had no say in the D players. But he was and is OC, his OL coach was his pick. Who would he favor? The offense or defense?
It sounds like he'll be back tomorrow, and practice this week...  
guitarguybs12 : 10/11/2017 2:58 pm : link
But be suspended/out this coming Sunday. At least that's what the latest details imply.
RE: Hey Mr. Mara?  
Greg from LI : 10/11/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13643224 sinister_bee98 said:
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This is every bit as bad as Handley.


It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
Why was his beef with Mac  
Doomster : 10/11/2017 3:03 pm : link
and not with Spags?

Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
This team is a dumpster fire  
lawguy9801 : 10/11/2017 3:07 pm : link
with a train wreck burning inside.
McAdoo has lost this team  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/11/2017 3:08 pm : link
.
Is the arrow  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/11/2017 3:10 pm : link
pointing up or down?
RE: Why was his beef with Mac  
Beer Man : 10/11/2017 3:11 pm : link
In comment 13643286 Doomster said:
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and not with Spags?

Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
We don't know the facts, I'm guessing Mac made the call to sit him. I thought he was playing alright at the time.
Thank God for DFS  
WillVAB : 10/11/2017 3:13 pm : link
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It shows pretty shitty character by DRC to  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2017 3:13 pm : link
A) Abandon the team mid battle in the middle of a winnable game
B) Walk away from the team when it is clearly in the gutter

I put this up yesterday, and it couldn't be more true with this news



What an embarrassment  
Beer Man : 10/11/2017 3:15 pm : link
this once proud and successful organization has become.
Bad news: Hurts DRC's trade value  
AcesUp : 10/11/2017 3:20 pm : link
Good news: Possibly forces Giants' hand to deal him

This team should be making decisions for the future, now.

RE: RE: What the hell...  
Chris in Philly : 10/11/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13643161 BillKo said:
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kind of coach allows this to fester for 3 fucking days? That is a pretty dire lack of leadership...



Who says he did?

Mac probably said this is what we are doing, you've need to handle it.

Perhaps DRC had a change of heart and simply walked out.


Or you could read this, posted above:

Ian Rapoport‏
@RapSheet 59s59 seconds ago
The issue between DRC and McAdoo and the coaches was never resolved Sunday. It continued today until the suspension and departure. Crazy.
RE: no matter how much McAdoo suck  
AnishPatel : 10/11/2017 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13643140 Greg from LI said:
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This is some pretty weak sauce from DRC. Unprofessional.


Yeah that's not a way to go about handling that at all. I'll go one step forward and say that Collins should have told the media that's an intenal matter, rather then telling the media.
its a bitch move  
well...bye TC : 10/11/2017 3:27 pm : link
by DRC but as one of the true vets on the team it tells you a lot about the HC too. An ass kicking this Sunday night on nat tv and maybe Mara WILL make a move...
RE: And this is the problem building teams through FA..  
old man : 10/11/2017 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13643066 Sean said:
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Let it all blow up. Sometimes ripcord bottom is needed to fix it.


+1 on your last sentence. An aging David Carr-ish QB(justifiably), a meh at best OL with the 2 better ones hitting FA, an underwhelming DL(except for Snacks),LBs =OL, a disgruntled secondary, a 11 personnel come hell or high water OC who is also the HC and MikeMcCarthy-wannabe instead of a Ben McAdoo(whatever THAT may be)...and a GM that loves 'projects', 'reaches' and 'weapons' but hates LBs and OL... Plus an ownership that has their hands in the pie too much(Chris Mara) or not enough(fire the HC but keep the GM that caused the firing of the HC, in large part).
We're gonna be a lot closer to being the new version of the Cleveland Browns joke of an organization than of the Pats/Steelers/other top organizations for at least 3 years.
oldman makes a good point about having to build through FA  
Victor in CT : 10/11/2017 3:41 pm : link
it never works long term, even when you hit a 3 good ones like th eGIants did last year. Thy're mercenaries. How many teams have "won the off season" and flopped, most famously the 2007 Eagles?

In the end, it all comes back to Reese's mismangment of the organization and roster, and Mara/Tisch enabling it.
attitude reflect leadership,  
knicks3031 : 10/11/2017 3:42 pm : link
captain
It's one thing to  
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2017 3:45 pm : link
have a solid FA year when you are also hitting in the draft. Reese hasn't done that.
RE: RE: Why was his beef with Mac  
SHO'NUFF : 10/11/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13643303 Beer Man said:
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and not with Spags?

Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...

We don't know the facts, I'm guessing Mac made the call to sit him. I thought he was playing alright at the time.


So now Benny Hill is controlling who plays on defense, while calling the offense? Why even have an OC and DC?
RE: RE: So everybody on offense gets a free pass  
SHO'NUFF : 10/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13643255 BillKo said:
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but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.



Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.

They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.

Last year counts as crap now.


Wouldn't your will be broken after all the shitty performances by the Offense? A unit can only hold the team together for so long.
The real  
Danny L : 10/11/2017 3:54 pm : link
question that needs to be asked is when are the giants suspending McAdoo and throw him out of the building. Guy has lost this team.
I've been a die hard fan since 1962 and if this isn't the worst season  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 10/11/2017 4:05 pm : link
it's got to be in the top 3, because expectations high.

We know the defense was good last year. We saw it. They put four players on 1st or 2nd All Pro. JPP wasn't a monster, but he was disruptive, had 7 sacks, and knocked down about 8 passes at the LOS.

We had the deepest secondary, supposedly, in the league. They tackled well. Apple was said by everyone to be having a really good rookie season, and players improve in year 2 so they say. Collins and DRC good blitzing.

One pick this season? Failure to recover fumbles or even knock the ball out. Seems like not trying hard enough, but that can't be.

From the first time the team hit the field against Dallas they just didn't seem to be playing with a lot of fire and emotion.

JPP opened his big mouth to say how great he was in the offseason, and he wasn't going to play for less than what he was worth, but at the game Sunday I was watching him. About 50 percent of the time he was only up against the left tackle and his rush was just running straight into the tackle and going nowhere.

I was never on a team sport with a lot of guys in a locker room so I don't know what the feel inside a locker room is, but if there's such a thing as a negative locker room feel, Giants' locker room must have it.

As to the defense not seeming to be trying that hard, that may be a side effect of most of the best defensive players on the team being signed to long-term contracts.
Yet some of you  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/11/2017 4:08 pm : link
still argue with me that the character of the players is not an important attribute to team success.

Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.
nothing for nothing DRC acted like a douche on Sunday  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/11/2017 4:10 pm : link
And he was informed by the head coach he would be inactive against Denver. Didn't Coughlin once bench Plax and or Tommer
For attitude?
RE: Yet some of you  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/11/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13643445 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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still argue with me that the character of the players is not an important attribute to team success.

Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.

Tell us again about the midwest club scene.

In case you wonder why no one listens to you, that's a hint.
RE: RE: Hey Mr. Mara?  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13643285 Greg from LI said:
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This is every bit as bad as Handley.



It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
He inherited a top 10 offense and a 200 million dollar spend for prime defensive players. He, along with the front office, have turned it into this.

Yeah, it's every bit as bad as Handley if not worse.
What a rudderless ship this team is...  
Carson53 : 10/11/2017 4:29 pm : link
No leaders on this damn team!
RE: RE: RE: Character matters  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/11/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13643208 Go Terps said:
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Football, more than any other sport, is a team game.


Terps, you're not wrong when you keep banging that drum (although it's really a bit much), but what you neglect is that talent matters too. Football, just like any other sport, is a professional performance event. Choosing character at the expense of talent will sink you to the bottom just as fast as talent at the expense of character. You'll just have a choir boy version of the same shitty team.



Sorry if you think it's a bit much...I also think it's a bit much the way people here rationalize or look the other way because a player is wearing a Giants uniform instead of someone else's.

And I never said we should have a team of choir boys...I simply think we should try to populate the roster with professionals that can be trusted to do their jobs.


At least one other person around here can actually rationally see a situation for what it is.
RE: RE: Yet some of you  
B in ALB : 10/11/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13643458 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13643445 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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still argue with me that the character of the players is not an important attribute to team success.

Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.


Tell us again about the midwest club scene.

In case you wonder why no one listens to you, that's a hint.


He's too busy blaming this situation on Beckham in another thread.

Fucking genius.
We've seen this dumpster fire coming, but if we are winless  
Diver_Down : 10/11/2017 4:39 pm : link
at the bye, this could progress to a fully involved landfill fire.
Character  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/11/2017 4:56 pm : link
matters
If nothing else this gives  
Bubba : 10/11/2017 4:57 pm : link
me a reason to stay interested in the Giants.
Couldn't be better unless  
Bubba : 10/11/2017 5:00 pm : link
Sullivan and Spag's go at like Gilbride and Ryan did.

DRC "Coach I'm tired. Can't you get to O to stay on the field more than 5 minutes please?"
More info  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 5:11 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
If this shit show doesn't get Reese down  
SomeFan : 10/11/2017 5:19 pm : link
through the coaching staff fired, nothing will. This team is in disarray. John Mara needs to get the FUCK out of football decisions too.

As. Ad as the 70s and makes it hard to care about watching these games.
Meanwhile  
NikkiMac : 10/11/2017 5:51 pm : link
Spags gets off Scott free on this issue wtf is his story in all this .hes got to go too imo!
I think this  
rebel yell : 10/11/2017 8:07 pm : link
is the beginning of the end for McAdoo. Regardless of DRC's past transgressions, McAdoo has clearly lost this team.
RE: It shows pretty shitty character by DRC to  
Joey in VA : 10/11/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13643313 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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A) Abandon the team mid battle in the middle of a winnable game
B) Walk away from the team when it is clearly in the gutter

I put this up yesterday, and it couldn't be more true with this news


You are the most lovable simpleton to ever live.
DRC walked out?  
Adam G in Big D : 10/11/2017 9:53 pm : link
And the entire defense hasn't shown up in 2017.
Sports teaches us how to battle through adversity.  
madgiantscow009 : 10/11/2017 11:38 pm : link
Too many man-babies. Collins has the right attitude, even if it is far fetched.
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