how this shit came apart after only 5 games. To be honest, the Dallas opener seemed to really be such a harbinger that so much was wrong with the team. In that one game, with how bad the offense was, everything was stripped from the team. A reality that "holy shit, we didn't fix the offensive problems with all the changes" (ignoring the OL didn't help) And then the wheels came off far too quick.
It's like the 1995 opener against Dallas on Monday Night. The Giants finished 1994 strong, signed Herschel and Mike Croel thinking the Giants were ready to challenge Dallas...and got curb stomped 35-0 and set the table for a 5-11 season and really the beginning of the end of Reeves and Dave Brown.
This tells you that the Giants were a timebomb which everything was held off by an 11-5 record in 2016, but it was waiting to go off. And it did.
or 1971 when they thought they were ready to contend after going 9-5 the year before. Thinking their team was ready to contend, they go and draft Rocky Thompson and Wayne Walton while the Raiders take Jack Tatum, Phil Vilipiano and Clarence Davis right behind them. The Giants finished 4-10, Tarkenton had enough and they traded him back to the Vikings for a bag of used athletic socks.
but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.
They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.
but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
I'll ask this: Did McAdoo hire Spags? Or any of the D coaches? No. ANd he probably had no say in the D players. But he was and is OC, his OL coach was his pick. Who would he favor? The offense or defense?
It sounds like he'll be back tomorrow, and practice this week...
It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
We don't know the facts, I'm guessing Mac made the call to sit him. I thought he was playing alright at the time.
kind of coach allows this to fester for 3 fucking days? That is a pretty dire lack of leadership...
Who says he did?
Mac probably said this is what we are doing, you've need to handle it.
Perhaps DRC had a change of heart and simply walked out.
Or you could read this, posted above:
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet 59s59 seconds ago
The issue between DRC and McAdoo and the coaches was never resolved Sunday. It continued today until the suspension and departure. Crazy.
This is some pretty weak sauce from DRC. Unprofessional.
Yeah that's not a way to go about handling that at all. I'll go one step forward and say that Collins should have told the media that's an intenal matter, rather then telling the media.
by DRC but as one of the true vets on the team it tells you a lot about the HC too. An ass kicking this Sunday night on nat tv and maybe Mara WILL make a move...
RE: And this is the problem building teams through FA..
Let it all blow up. Sometimes ripcord bottom is needed to fix it.
+1 on your last sentence. An aging David Carr-ish QB(justifiably), a meh at best OL with the 2 better ones hitting FA, an underwhelming DL(except for Snacks),LBs =OL, a disgruntled secondary, a 11 personnel come hell or high water OC who is also the HC and MikeMcCarthy-wannabe instead of a Ben McAdoo(whatever THAT may be)...and a GM that loves 'projects', 'reaches' and 'weapons' but hates LBs and OL... Plus an ownership that has their hands in the pie too much(Chris Mara) or not enough(fire the HC but keep the GM that caused the firing of the HC, in large part).
We're gonna be a lot closer to being the new version of the Cleveland Browns joke of an organization than of the Pats/Steelers/other top organizations for at least 3 years.
oldman makes a good point about having to build through FA
it never works long term, even when you hit a 3 good ones like th eGIants did last year. Thy're mercenaries. How many teams have "won the off season" and flopped, most famously the 2007 Eagles?
In the end, it all comes back to Reese's mismangment of the organization and roster, and Mara/Tisch enabling it.
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
We don't know the facts, I'm guessing Mac made the call to sit him. I thought he was playing alright at the time.
So now Benny Hill is controlling who plays on defense, while calling the offense? Why even have an OC and DC?
but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.
They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.
Last year counts as crap now.
Wouldn't your will be broken after all the shitty performances by the Offense? A unit can only hold the team together for so long.
it's got to be in the top 3, because expectations high.
We know the defense was good last year. We saw it. They put four players on 1st or 2nd All Pro. JPP wasn't a monster, but he was disruptive, had 7 sacks, and knocked down about 8 passes at the LOS.
We had the deepest secondary, supposedly, in the league. They tackled well. Apple was said by everyone to be having a really good rookie season, and players improve in year 2 so they say. Collins and DRC good blitzing.
One pick this season? Failure to recover fumbles or even knock the ball out. Seems like not trying hard enough, but that can't be.
From the first time the team hit the field against Dallas they just didn't seem to be playing with a lot of fire and emotion.
JPP opened his big mouth to say how great he was in the offseason, and he wasn't going to play for less than what he was worth, but at the game Sunday I was watching him. About 50 percent of the time he was only up against the left tackle and his rush was just running straight into the tackle and going nowhere.
I was never on a team sport with a lot of guys in a locker room so I don't know what the feel inside a locker room is, but if there's such a thing as a negative locker room feel, Giants' locker room must have it.
As to the defense not seeming to be trying that hard, that may be a side effect of most of the best defensive players on the team being signed to long-term contracts.
It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
He inherited a top 10 offense and a 200 million dollar spend for prime defensive players. He, along with the front office, have turned it into this.
Yeah, it's every bit as bad as Handley if not worse.
Football, more than any other sport, is a team game.
Terps, you're not wrong when you keep banging that drum (although it's really a bit much), but what you neglect is that talent matters too. Football, just like any other sport, is a professional performance event. Choosing character at the expense of talent will sink you to the bottom just as fast as talent at the expense of character. You'll just have a choir boy version of the same shitty team.
Sorry if you think it's a bit much...I also think it's a bit much the way people here rationalize or look the other way because a player is wearing a Giants uniform instead of someone else's.
And I never said we should have a team of choir boys...I simply think we should try to populate the roster with professionals that can be trusted to do their jobs.
At least one other person around here can actually rationally see a situation for what it is.
It's like the 1995 opener against Dallas on Monday Night. The Giants finished 1994 strong, signed Herschel and Mike Croel thinking the Giants were ready to challenge Dallas...and got curb stomped 35-0 and set the table for a 5-11 season and really the beginning of the end of Reeves and Dave Brown.
This tells you that the Giants were a timebomb which everything was held off by an 11-5 record in 2016, but it was waiting to go off. And it did.
Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.
Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.
LOL! What magic?
Could he sprinkle some on the damn offense?
He's lost the team and has no credibility with the players or the fan base.
Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.
They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.
Last year counts as crap now.
Surely that paycheck had something to do with it.
The only magic Ben McAdoo had was deflecting from his sh-tshow of an offense with that mirage of an 11-5 record last year.
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but a player should not quit on his teammates. Taking off your pads is childish at the very least. Go up and act like the millionaire you are.
Ridiculous
grow up
Did you just fucking argue with yourself?
Bahahaha, nice catch
He meant to say grow up instead of go up,so he corrected himself.
I'll ask this: Did McAdoo hire Spags? Or any of the D coaches? No. ANd he probably had no say in the D players. But he was and is OC, his OL coach was his pick. Who would he favor? The offense or defense?
It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
B) Walk away from the team when it is clearly in the gutter
I put this up yesterday, and it couldn't be more true with this news
This team should be making decisions for the future, now.
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kind of coach allows this to fester for 3 fucking days? That is a pretty dire lack of leadership...
Who says he did?
Mac probably said this is what we are doing, you've need to handle it.
Perhaps DRC had a change of heart and simply walked out.
Or you could read this, posted above:
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet 59s59 seconds ago
The issue between DRC and McAdoo and the coaches was never resolved Sunday. It continued today until the suspension and departure. Crazy.
Yeah that's not a way to go about handling that at all. I'll go one step forward and say that Collins should have told the media that's an intenal matter, rather then telling the media.
+1 on your last sentence. An aging David Carr-ish QB(justifiably), a meh at best OL with the 2 better ones hitting FA, an underwhelming DL(except for Snacks),LBs =OL, a disgruntled secondary, a 11 personnel come hell or high water OC who is also the HC and MikeMcCarthy-wannabe instead of a Ben McAdoo(whatever THAT may be)...and a GM that loves 'projects', 'reaches' and 'weapons' but hates LBs and OL... Plus an ownership that has their hands in the pie too much(Chris Mara) or not enough(fire the HC but keep the GM that caused the firing of the HC, in large part).
We're gonna be a lot closer to being the new version of the Cleveland Browns joke of an organization than of the Pats/Steelers/other top organizations for at least 3 years.
In the end, it all comes back to Reese's mismangment of the organization and roster, and Mara/Tisch enabling it.
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and not with Spags?
Also, we don't know what it was all about, and if DRC comes back tomorrow, what kind of cover up will be in place for the real reason? Have to be real careful here, because too many people may already be involved...
We don't know the facts, I'm guessing Mac made the call to sit him. I thought he was playing alright at the time.
So now Benny Hill is controlling who plays on defense, while calling the offense? Why even have an OC and DC?
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but guys like DRC and Apple are being pulled? Honestly, if I were on defense, I would blow up too after 1 1/2 years of bad offense and no accountability.
Have to disagree...this defense was given the lead in the 4th quarter three consecutive weeks, and didn't even resemble a unit that could protect the lead and take over the game.
They are as culpable as anyone. This is a team effort, unfortunately.
Last year counts as crap now.
Wouldn't your will be broken after all the shitty performances by the Offense? A unit can only hold the team together for so long.
We know the defense was good last year. We saw it. They put four players on 1st or 2nd All Pro. JPP wasn't a monster, but he was disruptive, had 7 sacks, and knocked down about 8 passes at the LOS.
We had the deepest secondary, supposedly, in the league. They tackled well. Apple was said by everyone to be having a really good rookie season, and players improve in year 2 so they say. Collins and DRC good blitzing.
One pick this season? Failure to recover fumbles or even knock the ball out. Seems like not trying hard enough, but that can't be.
From the first time the team hit the field against Dallas they just didn't seem to be playing with a lot of fire and emotion.
JPP opened his big mouth to say how great he was in the offseason, and he wasn't going to play for less than what he was worth, but at the game Sunday I was watching him. About 50 percent of the time he was only up against the left tackle and his rush was just running straight into the tackle and going nowhere.
I was never on a team sport with a lot of guys in a locker room so I don't know what the feel inside a locker room is, but if there's such a thing as a negative locker room feel, Giants' locker room must have it.
As to the defense not seeming to be trying that hard, that may be a side effect of most of the best defensive players on the team being signed to long-term contracts.
Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.
For attitude?
Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.
Tell us again about the midwest club scene.
In case you wonder why no one listens to you, that's a hint.
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This is every bit as bad as Handley.
It's bad, but no it isn't. Ray Handley turned a champion into 8-8 and 6-10. For whatever McAdoo's faults, he did not inherit a team remotely on the level of the 1990 Giants.
Yeah, it's every bit as bad as Handley if not worse.
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Football, more than any other sport, is a team game.
Terps, you're not wrong when you keep banging that drum (although it's really a bit much), but what you neglect is that talent matters too. Football, just like any other sport, is a professional performance event. Choosing character at the expense of talent will sink you to the bottom just as fast as talent at the expense of character. You'll just have a choir boy version of the same shitty team.
Sorry if you think it's a bit much...I also think it's a bit much the way people here rationalize or look the other way because a player is wearing a Giants uniform instead of someone else's.
And I never said we should have a team of choir boys...I simply think we should try to populate the roster with professionals that can be trusted to do their jobs.
At least one other person around here can actually rationally see a situation for what it is.
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still argue with me that the character of the players is not an important attribute to team success.
Smh man. This train was coming at us full speed ahead at 200 mph and nobody wanted to listen to me when I kept telling people to move out of the way.
Tell us again about the midwest club scene.
In case you wonder why no one listens to you, that's a hint.
He's too busy blaming this situation on Beckham in another thread.
Fucking genius.
DRC "Coach I'm tired. Can't you get to O to stay on the field more than 5 minutes please?"
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As. Ad as the 70s and makes it hard to care about watching these games.
B) Walk away from the team when it is clearly in the gutter
I put this up yesterday, and it couldn't be more true with this news