It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
RE: When the inmates run the asylum, they run it into the ground.
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
I couldnt agree more. The minute they let Odell go nuts in that Carolina game and not discipline him in any way, it was the beginning of the end
Football, more than any other sport, is a team game.
Terps, you're not wrong when you keep banging that drum (although it's really a bit much), but what you neglect is that talent matters too. Football, just like any other sport, is a professional performance event. Choosing character at the expense of talent will sink you to the bottom just as fast as talent at the expense of character. You'll just have a choir boy version of the same shitty team.
but this just shows how he has lost this team. He can't be brought back next season. Prior to the season we heard how the organization thought so highly of DRC and how well he was respected.
And when I say new, I mean new - I don't want anyone with past ties to the Giants. No more "in the family" hires. Fire Reese, hire a new GM with 100% authority over all football operations, and let him find a coach.
RE: RE: RE: When the inmates run the asylum, they run it into the ground.
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
Have to agree here. You can read that statement and say someone is blaming Beckham or you can read it and see where things started to go south with Discipline.. This whole deal is out of control and these coaches are done but so are a number of players... DRC has never been a leader so not really surprised here.
what happens.
McAdoo was the wrong hire and has lost the team.
You can blame the players all day but if you are unhappy with your boss you go get a new job.
Players don't have that luxury. They need to stick it out.
it's players with attitudes like his that may be the underlying cause. i agree with the poster who said this doesn't reflect poorly on mcadoo, it reflects poorly on drc. for all we know, mcadoo was unwilling to put up with drc's crap and let him walk despite his talent - a sign that mcadoo actually has some balls.
He clearly doesn't want to play for McAdoo. Suspending him after he's made clear he's walking away, doesn't exactly inspire a sense there's any control of the team anymore.
I'm wondering how many of the other veterans feel this way.
Vernon doesn't seem to be killing himself to get back to play. Marshall was clearly ticked off with how he was being used in the offense early on. Beckham basically threw McAdoo under the bus.
The massive downside here is that Eli Apple gets automatically pushed into bigger role/playing time.
If we can see it. They can see it. No one respects this coach. Hes over his head
Oh, please. Any guy that takes his pads off during the game and then walks out of the team facility because he doesn't like the conversations that ensued isn't a reflection of the coach. It's a reflection of the player.
It may well be that BMc is losing the team, but if DRC is your shining example, you need better examples.
Agreed. McAdoo would appear to be significantly more dedicated and professional than DRC
And when I say new, I mean new - I don't want anyone with past ties to the Giants. No more "in the family" hires. Fire Reese, hire a new GM with 100% authority over all football operations, and let him find a coach.
Yep. Time for a new regime. Reese has spit the bid completely here.
RE: When the inmates run the asylum, they run it into the ground.
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah, Beckham again. Are there any problems with the Giants, NFL, Hollywood, Washington that didn't start with Beckham?
I would love to hear the reason for WANTING McAdoo back next year? What has he done here to show that he deserves another chance?
Aside from winning a bunch of ugly games last year where the defense carried the team, Ben has done nothing to inspire any confidence in him being a good coach. Afraid Eli cant learn another system? We should def keep the system that has churned out bottom 1/3 offenses 2 years running.
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
Have to agree here. You can read that statement and say someone is blaming Beckham or you can read it and see where things started to go south with Discipline.. This whole deal is out of control and these coaches are done but so are a number of players... DRC has never been a leader so not really surprised here.
If the Giants are 4-1 right now is DRC walking out? To trace this back to them not benching Odell during the Carolina game is absurd.
And when I say new, I mean new - I don't want anyone with past ties to the Giants. No more "in the family" hires. Fire Reese, hire a new GM with 100% authority over all football operations, and let him find a coach.
Mara and Tisch have to hire an Exec. VP of Football Operations to oversee things.
He acts like he is bigger than his players.
He needs to be knocked off his high horse and sent packing. If it was one player I would understand but this is the whole team grumbling.
This is a talented team with a poor leader and it is coming apart at the seams.
Don't need to like him but respect him, no ones respects this idiot
It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah, Beckham again. Are there any problems with the Giants, NFL, Hollywood, Washington that didn't start with Beckham?
One more time: No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
His high is higher than any defender on the team, including Collins & post M80 JPP. He was way better than I'd thought he'd be coming from Philadelphia.
I'll never forget that BULLSHIT PI call against Dallas week 1 2015 that got the season off to such a shitty start. That was textbook coverage.
He's also a fucking loser. Get him off the team now and don't look back. Good luck on another contract fuckface...I'm sure Belichick & Reid are running to the phone after you've shows these colors.
Indeed.
DRC leaving the team.
Mara or Reese needs to step in and fire McAdoo or pull this team together.
So disappointed in this franchise. What a disgrace.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
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It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
I couldnt agree more. The minute they let Odell go nuts in that Carolina game and not discipline him in any way, it was the beginning of the end
DRC leaving the team.
Mara or Reese needs to step in and fire McAdoo or pull this team together.
So disappointed in this franchise. What a disgrace.
Reese is closer to getting fired than he is in the position to fire anybody. He's a joke now.
Terps, you're not wrong when you keep banging that drum (although it's really a bit much), but what you neglect is that talent matters too. Football, just like any other sport, is a professional performance event. Choosing character at the expense of talent will sink you to the bottom just as fast as talent at the expense of character. You'll just have a choir boy version of the same shitty team.
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It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
Have to agree here. You can read that statement and say someone is blaming Beckham or you can read it and see where things started to go south with Discipline.. This whole deal is out of control and these coaches are done but so are a number of players... DRC has never been a leader so not really surprised here.
McAdoo was the wrong hire and has lost the team.
You can blame the players all day but if you are unhappy with your boss you go get a new job.
Players don't have that luxury. They need to stick it out.
This is a management issue, not a player issue.
I'm wondering how many of the other veterans feel this way.
Vernon doesn't seem to be killing himself to get back to play. Marshall was clearly ticked off with how he was being used in the offense early on. Beckham basically threw McAdoo under the bus.
The massive downside here is that Eli Apple gets automatically pushed into bigger role/playing time.
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If we can see it. They can see it. No one respects this coach. Hes over his head
Oh, please. Any guy that takes his pads off during the game and then walks out of the team facility because he doesn't like the conversations that ensued isn't a reflection of the coach. It's a reflection of the player.
It may well be that BMc is losing the team, but if DRC is your shining example, you need better examples.
Track, wall, see ya!
Yep. Time for a new regime. Reese has spit the bid completely here.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah, Beckham again. Are there any problems with the Giants, NFL, Hollywood, Washington that didn't start with Beckham?
Landon Collins says DRC did not leave the team, that he had a disagreement with McAdoo and McAdoo suspended him.
Aside from winning a bunch of ugly games last year where the defense carried the team, Ben has done nothing to inspire any confidence in him being a good coach. Afraid Eli cant learn another system? We should def keep the system that has churned out bottom 1/3 offenses 2 years running.
Landon Collins said it was something between DRC and McAdoo that he believes stemmed from Sunday. He even called it an "altercation."
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In comment 13642977 Victor in CT said:
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It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah. It didn't take long for this to be traced backed to Beckham.
No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
Have to agree here. You can read that statement and say someone is blaming Beckham or you can read it and see where things started to go south with Discipline.. This whole deal is out of control and these coaches are done but so are a number of players... DRC has never been a leader so not really surprised here.
If the Giants are 4-1 right now is DRC walking out? To trace this back to them not benching Odell during the Carolina game is absurd.
Even if he wants to come back he should not be allowed.
Probably pissed that Apple has been outside and him inside which I would be pissed at as well.
Collins said DRC had an issue on the sideline before halftime and that is what sparked this situation.
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DRC leaving the team.
Mara or Reese needs to step in and fire McAdoo or pull this team together.
So disappointed in this franchise. What a disgrace.
Reese is closer to getting fired than he is in the position to fire anybody. He's a joke now.
To you, maybe, but given how the Giants run, not likely ownership still.
Mara and Tisch have to hire an Exec. VP of Football Operations to oversee things.
Something happened at halftime involving DRC. He took off his pads for a moment. Details hazy after that. #Giants
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Apple talking to the media
DRC leaving the team.
Mara or Reese needs to step in and fire McAdoo or pull this team together.
So disappointed in this franchise. What a disgrace.
Reese is closer to getting fired than he is in the position to fire anybody. He's a joke now.
To you, maybe, but given how the Giants run, not likely ownership still.
If they go anywhere near 0-16, they very well might.
He needs to be knocked off his high horse and sent packing. If it was one player I would understand but this is the whole team grumbling.
This is a talented team with a poor leader and it is coming apart at the seams.
Don't need to like him but respect him, no ones respects this idiot
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It started when Coughlin decided to ignore Beckham's behavior. The discipline became non-existent. It has carried over and worsened. McAdoo clearly can't or won't discipline this team.
Anybody remember the 1991 Giants saying how Handley "treats us like men'?
Ah, Beckham again. Are there any problems with the Giants, NFL, Hollywood, Washington that didn't start with Beckham?
One more time: No, it's traced to Coughlin. It's not Beckham's fault that Coughlin sold his soul to try and save his job.
I'll never forget that BULLSHIT PI call against Dallas week 1 2015 that got the season off to such a shitty start. That was textbook coverage.
He's also a fucking loser. Get him off the team now and don't look back. Good luck on another contract fuckface...I'm sure Belichick & Reid are running to the phone after you've shows these colors.
I really hope it was Collins that called him out.