If there is ONE player I had to choose from the ENTIRE team from training camp that simply didn't seem to take anything serious, it would have been Apple. if you asked me on Labor Day, the answer would have been exactly that.
He was constantly the guy laughing, looking around, joking around...during, before, after plays. Even when everyone was going full speed.
Does this mean I think he had personality issues? No. Do I have insider information on him not being a guy that cares? No.
But listening to him talk, watching his zero-level progress from college, and seeing him laugh almost uncontrolably on the bench in the 4th quarter when we all realized NYG would soon be 0-5 on a day where the roster was banged up badly....it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I am old school with some things, I know. I hate seeing opponents laugh and joke with each other in the middle of a game. Competition to me is something that I think should consume you almost completely when in the heat of the moment (like a game) and I think the some of these kids more now than ever care more about their Instagram and paychecks than winning. The bitter fan in me is speaking, I know. But I also know the teams that win year after year via culture don't deal with this.
We need a no nonsense coach and some bad ass players..
This team is a train wreck. Reading this about Apple is just one of the many cars in the pile-up.
How's Conklin? A top RT in the NFL you say?
Giants had nasty luck in that draft. Tunsil was the no brainer pick in that draft after Conklin was gone. Top 5 value at 10. BPA + screaming need in 1 pick.
Still no idea how that dot connecting works.
I also understand that I am 51 years old.. and todays players are just different..
I have zero problem with Flowers' attitude. The guy tries. He is just being played out of position. Physically, he cannot do what they are asking him to do.
Completely different story with Apple.
To me, this just illustrates that DRC has a point and that Apple's ass should be nailed to the bench. But, I can understand the frustration of a guy like DRC when he sees guys like Flowers, Jerry, Apple, Hart perform terribly week in and week out and there they are...still starting.
Where is the accountability? But then you don't see it with the GM or elsewhere so what do you expect?
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I also understand that I am 51 years old.. and todays players are just different..
Well, last year they were winning.
How's Conklin? A top RT in the NFL you say?
Giants had nasty luck in that draft. Tunsil was the no brainer pick in that draft after Conklin was gone. Top 5 value at 10. BPA + screaming need in 1 pick.
Couldn't be. We were told over and over again prior to that draft that Leonard Floyd would never amount to anything.
So one day during tackling practice, he gives the kid the ball, regardless of the kids position, lines up 4-5 guys each on the he left and right to form a tunnel, feels the kid to run thru any just about 3 yards outside the last guys in line is the teams biggest and best tackler who lays a nice hit on the kid. Then coach tells the kid he's the human tackling dummy of the day and everybody gets a shot at the kid.
I was a backup-3rd stringer but the guy with the ball made all-State as a Jr and Sr.
IK you can't do that today....but this thread just reflected need for that kind of moment.
I did see the play where he did not step up to pursue the runner on the screen pass as well.
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I did see the play where he did not step up to pursue the runner on the screen pass as well. Link - ( New Window )
That must be it. It's the mouthpiece that is holding him back from being a Pro Bowl DB!
Actually Snacks where like fangs, but he is a D-Lineman and it makes sense.
But a DB wearing a silly mouth piece like that. I don't have the one he wore.
Actually Snacks where like fangs, but he is a D-Lineman and it makes sense.
But a DB wearing a silly mouth piece like that. I don't have the one he wore.
Speaking of silly.
Would you happen to have any insights that you would care to share on the general attitude of the team? It's easy to see that guys like Eli and Collins are locked on and are trying to win games, but what about the rest?
I don't see what you saw in preseason because I'm not there and if you saw additional things that gave you pause than that is different, but laughing on the bench doesn't bother me. Lack of progress does.
To me, this just illustrates that DRC has a point and that Apple's ass should be nailed to the bench. But, I can understand the frustration of a guy like DRC when he sees guys like Flowers, Jerry, Apple, Hart perform terribly week in and week out and there they are...still starting.
Where is the accountability? But then you don't see it with the GM or elsewhere so what do you expect?
Exactly! This is not a surprise. The HC has had an UNDISCIPLINED and DUMB football team since day 1. Stupid Penalties, plays, and actions have been consistent. No accountability and no respect for the HC. If Mac isn't fired before the end of the season this Franchise will take over as the big Joke of the NFL.
Having said that, this doesn't make him a complete bust, nor does his play for the season. He is very young, and very talented. This year he might just learn what it means to be a professional.
What we might be seeing is the result of poor leadership, from the coaches, team captains, and other players in his unit.
When we talk about building a team - the coach is the most important decision made. This coach, who is very young himself, has created a culture that tolerates immaturity and a lack of focus during the limited practice time they have. No surprise that the team comes out unfocused, unprepared, and undisciplined.
Simply put, there are other coaches and players who wanted it more than we did this year.
Makes no sense to single out Apple and DRC, further indicative of their internal problems.