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Collinsworth/PFF: Flowers playing MUCH better

DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 4:33 pm
Collinsworth said Sunday was Flowers best game of his career and the guy from PFF said after week 1 Flowers has been the #13 ranked LT in the NFL. Thoughts?
Bah hah haha  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/11/2017 4:35 pm : link
Sorry I really just wanna cry
Championship!  
Stan in LA : 10/11/2017 4:35 pm : link
We just turned the corner.
In all seriousness  
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2017 4:36 pm : link
Flowers has looked competent the past few weeks. Hart has been truly awful, however.
my biggest worry...  
BillKo : 10/11/2017 4:36 pm : link
he shows just enough to warrant someone putting him again, next year............
Flowers may be blooming  
Canton : 10/11/2017 4:36 pm : link
But the garden is in shambles.
This is good news guys...  
Chris684 : 10/11/2017 4:38 pm : link
I would love to see Flowers improve his play.

Wouldnt be a bad thing if LT can be removed from our shopping list moving forward.
Again...  
ryanmkeane : 10/11/2017 4:40 pm : link
the games against Philly, Tampa, and SD were all winnable, and Flowers held up and played a competent LT.
Can't be true  
BillT : 10/11/2017 4:41 pm : link
BBI says he sucks.
Moving him to RT  
EddieNYG : 10/11/2017 4:44 pm : link
in 2018 makes a ton of sense if they can find a LT in Free Agency or the Draft.
RE: Again...  
2ndroundKO : 10/11/2017 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13643543 ryanmkeane said:
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the games against Philly, Tampa, and SD were all winnable, and Flowers held up and played a competent LT.


Don't let facts get in the way of a classic BBI narrative. O'Hara not wanting to eat his words said something like "well, he didn't suck" a couple weeks ago.

Maybe it's a mirage but he's been solid three weeks in a row. And completely shut down Engram on Sunday. Very impressive. Hope his confidence grows. He's got another monster test on Sunday.
Baby Steps  
Sammo85 : 10/11/2017 4:50 pm : link
But too late in the game now for this season.

He played poorly in the Philly game and got destroyed against Detroit.

He was one of the very very few signs of light in the SD game aside from
Gallman.

RE: my biggest worry...  
Justlurking : 10/11/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13643532 BillKo said:
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he shows just enough to warrant someone putting him again, next year............


this makes zero sense. This kid figuring it out and cementing himself as a true LT is bad because you just dont like him? He is still very young - younger than every OT picked in the 1st 2 rounds of the 2017 draft!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2017 4:54 pm : link
Here are his comments...
Enough about Ereck Flowers - ( New Window )
I've long assumed  
BlackLight : 10/11/2017 4:54 pm : link
that a big part of Flowers's problem was mental. He was getting whipped like a dog out there and had lost confidence, which, in turn, made him play even worse.

He has a couple games where he's not the worst thing you think about, and no surprise that he's starting to play a little better.
He COULD BE improving  
David B. : 10/11/2017 4:56 pm : link
We should all hope that he does. But that doesn't mean he's a quality starter yet. He'll probably be decent someday at some position. He's still a kid.

Further, it has actually been more the right side of the OL that's been the bigger disaster for the last two seasons. Any running they've been able to do has been to the left.
color  
Steve in Greenwich : 10/11/2017 4:58 pm : link
me skeptical at best. This might be one of the worst Sunday Night Football games NBC has had since they got the package, and Collinsworth is trying to drum up a sliver of interest by trying to pretend the Giants aren't as bad as public perception as they go into a game against the best pass rushing team in the NFL. "Hey, watch this coming Sunday night, I swear they're not AS bad as you might think, I swear!".
You know who  
Pete in MD : 10/11/2017 5:01 pm : link
is graded lower on PFF than Flowers? Jack Conklin, La'el Collins, and Nate Solder. Three players that BBI appears to covet. Tunsil, Bolles, and Ramczyk are graded higher but still in the below average category.
I thought he did play well  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 5:04 pm : link
But he should be playing RT.
Hart  
Pete in MD : 10/11/2017 5:05 pm : link
gets a lower grade than all of them.
Guard  
TyreeHelmet : 10/11/2017 5:06 pm : link
I think he could be really good guard.
I wish Flowers  
AcesUp : 10/11/2017 5:07 pm : link
was still our biggest problem. Seems like ages ago.
RE: color  
BlackLight : 10/11/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13643583 Steve in Greenwich said:
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me skeptical at best. This might be one of the worst Sunday Night Football games NBC has had since they got the package, and Collinsworth is trying to drum up a sliver of interest by trying to pretend the Giants aren't as bad as public perception as they go into a game against the best pass rushing team in the NFL. "Hey, watch this coming Sunday night, I swear they're not AS bad as you might think, I swear!".


If you're trying to drum up interest in a football game, you don't do it by underselling how bad one team's LT is playing.
RE: Hart  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13643596 Pete in MD said:
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gets a lower grade than all of them.

He's terrible.
Not sure where Miller is going to be lining up  
gmen9892 : 10/11/2017 5:17 pm : link
But I really wish I could see him versus Flowers. That would be the real test. My guess is he is going to be lined up over Hart, which poses a HUGE problems based on how hes played this season. Maybe this will be the final straw of seeing Hart at RT. Lets just hope it doesnt get Eli killed.
RE: color  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13643583 Steve in Greenwich said:
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me skeptical at best. This might be one of the worst Sunday Night Football games NBC has had since they got the package, and Collinsworth is trying to drum up a sliver of interest by trying to pretend the Giants aren't as bad as public perception as they go into a game against the best pass rushing team in the NFL. "Hey, watch this coming Sunday night, I swear they're not AS bad as you might think, I swear!".


If you watch the video it's the exact opposite. he almost laughs about all of the Giants problems but then says Flowers isn't one of them. + who in the right mind is tuning in to see "an improving, better than you think" LT for an awful team? I'm not even going to pretend I know as much as some of your guys in watching tape etc but it sure seems like whatever process/numbers these 2 use they legit think he's doing a decent job and possibly improving.
I thought Jones was strong in the middle  
Carl in CT : 10/11/2017 5:32 pm : link
Huge change with Richburg out. Jones is a keeper.
Would be nice if they all played better in the same game  
Jimmy Googs : 10/11/2017 5:37 pm : link
but that would actually result in a win...
That's the terrible irony  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2017 6:29 pm : link
The OL has started to come together just as the front office thought it would.

but the defense has been so much worse than expected and the general malaise of losing has sapped the team so much, that it doesn't matter. Too little, too late from the OL.

And just for clarification, I'm not saying the OL is "good." Just saying they went from 30-32 range to maybe 20th.
RE: That's the terrible irony  
Kev in Cali : 10/11/2017 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13643760 Vanzetti said:
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The OL has started to come together just as the front office thought it would.

but the defense has been so much worse than expected and the general malaise of losing has sapped the team so much, that it doesn't matter. Too little, too late from the OL.

And just for clarification, I'm not saying the OL is "good." Just saying they went from 30-32 range to maybe 20th.


Really....just as they "thought it would" fucking 5 games into the season.....this OL shit show started last year, so it's laughable that you or the FO would think it's coming together at this point. Go watch espn, or cartoon channel or something. lol They are still #32
so he's no longer the worst?  
Enzo : 10/11/2017 7:25 pm : link
whoop-de-damn-do
This just in...  
tony71 : 10/11/2017 7:32 pm : link
Erek Flowers buys a mansion for Collinsworth for services rendered..
Flowers is the least of our problems..  
Sean : 10/11/2017 10:26 pm : link
I read a stat that Eli is closer to the top when it comes to QB's with the most time.
Why are some people upset that Flowers is improving?  
PatersonPlank : 10/11/2017 10:27 pm : link
Its good news that he is doing much better.
Yeah, but who was he up against?  
SHO'NUFF : 10/11/2017 10:43 pm : link
He looked good when Ingram and Bosa were busy doing stunts on the other side.

Papa and Banks pointed out the stunts on their show, but the Giants were still caught offguard on Sunday.
Collinsworth...  
CBoss7 : 10/12/2017 5:57 pm : link
owns a majority share of PFF. Just for the record, so he's going to back up whatever they put out there wholeheartedly.
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