was speaking on Coughlin. Mainly about him being on the quote on quote hot seat. I remember him saying "if you get rid of Coughlin who are you getting? If you don't want a coach Coughlin then i don't know what you're trying to accomplish". He said "they don't grow them on trees you know."
Not me, I was doubtful it was right at the time as I view 2013 as a roster collapse and it takes about three years for a competent coach and front office to rebuild. Last year was year three and TC was fired for the guy who is presiding over this disaster now.
I think this quote is spot on, if ownership could go back I bet they keep TC now looking at how this season is going to go. This is a three win team tops, this team sucks.
2007 was one of the greatest coaching jobs in NFL history. That team lost game one on the road and NEVER losta nother road game. Culminating with a historic road win in the NFC title game in fucking arctic conditions agianst a hall of fame QB and what we now know to be one of the consisting winning head coaches in the NFL.
Oh, as an encore to that it beat the "Greatest Team of All Time" to bring a third Super Bowl title to this franchise.
Lucky?
2011 a roster that no one would htink is a world beater went to take on the NFL's best in the playoffs and beat the Pats again to bring a fourth title.
When they decided to fire TC they should have had a clear replacement in mind. How is promoting McAdoo working out? He was supposed to keep building the offense, instead there is this disaster. I would take TC back in a hot minute. Things are going to hit rock bottom now.
All the credit for the wins, and none of the blame for the losses (incidentally for much of BBI the same rules apply to Eli as well).
All the credit for the wins, and none of the blame for the losses (incidentally for much of BBI the same rules apply to Eli as well).
That is exactly what happened genius (see what I did there?). After they fired Coughlin, Reese went out and bought a defense and the Giants finished 11-5. Where was that defense for TC?
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it's important to remember that when the team won the Super Bowls in 2007 and 2011 it was because of his leadership, and when they sucked his last few years it was because Reese couldn't get him decent players.
All the credit for the wins, and none of the blame for the losses (incidentally for much of BBI the same rules apply to Eli as well).
That is exactly what happened genius (see what I did there?). After they fired Coughlin, Reese went out and bought a defense and the Giants finished 11-5. Where was that defense for TC?
Ya can't buy a defense without money. That was the year they had the cap space to do that. Wasn't possible before that.
That is ridiculous. Might as well counter with the fact that the Giants would have beaten the Seahawks in 2011 if Cruz didn't fall down on a route (or the 49ers if the refs properly called defensive holding). Or that Romo's last pass in 2007 wouldn't have mattered if Webster held onto a pick-6 earlier in the game.
In the 8 postseason games Coughlin won, the Giants beat three 13-3 teams, a 15-1 team, and a 16-0 team. It's ridiculous to diminish that. Mediocre coaches do not accomplish that.
The problem is hiring a new head coach - just like draft a new quarterback - is always somewhat of a crap shoot.
Yes, change can be good. But change can also sometimes make things worse.
This is why ownership and how the team is run matters.
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Not even the bad ones. Take away a Tony Romo overthrow in 2011 and the Giants don't even make the playoffs that year. Take away a Tony Romo on third and goal at the end of their playoff game in 2007 and they don't move on to the NFC Championship game that year. And what does that leave? Just a bunch of seasons in which the Giants started 5-2 or 6-2 and ended up with nothing to show for it. Coughlin was a decent head coach, but his years here are severely overrated by many.
That is ridiculous. Might as well counter with the fact that the Giants would have beaten the Seahawks in 2011 if Cruz didn't fall down on a route (or the 49ers if the refs properly called defensive holding). Or that Romo's last pass in 2007 wouldn't have mattered if Webster held onto a pick-6 earlier in the game.
In the 8 postseason games Coughlin won, the Giants beat three 13-3 teams, a 15-1 team, and a 16-0 team. It's ridiculous to diminish that. Mediocre coaches do not accomplish that.
I felt the same way at the time. I thought it would be best to just ride out Eli's career with TC because hiring a rookie coach is a crapshoot. Keeping TC could certainly have led to nothing but more losing, but I knew there was a good chance that a rookie HC wouldn't pan out. It's not exactly a rare problem. In hindsight, they probably should have just cleaned house. Maybe we will get that after this season.
You can play the game of coaches losing games they should have won with anybody. Parcells Giants lost games they should have won, too, but most people have enough sense not to categorize him as a mediocre coach.
In regards to the 20-0 home playoff loss, it's worth remembering how decimated the team was with injuries by that point. The infamous Eagles loss was definitely on Coughlin. But I think his coaching won far more games than it lost.
Through his first eight seasons here, Coughlin had virtually the same record as Parcells. His team fell apart after that, and he rightly paid the price. He wasn't without his flaws, but he was a darned good coach. If you're going to diss him for the games he shouldn't have lost, you should at least credit him for the games where his teams played well beyond their ability.
This is more about who you're replacing him with more so than keeping TC. We hired a QB coach who wasn't even the coordinator in GB.
This is more about who you're replacing him with more so than keeping TC. We hired a QB coach who wasn't even the coordinator in GB.