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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2017 5:23 pm
Some additional information on CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and the Giants: According to a source close to the situation, the issues with Rodgers-Cromartie began last Friday, when the cornerback walked out of the team's "recovery day" session. During Sunday's loss to the Chargers, the source said, Rodgers-Cromartie slammed his helmet down on the sideline, left the team while the game was in progress and went to the locker room with what teammates and coaches understood was the intent to leave the stadium. The Friday and Sunday incidents led to a meeting Tuesday between Rodgers-Cromartie and head coach Ben McAdoo in which McAdoo told Rodgers-Cromartie that he would be inactive for this Sunday's game in Denver and fined for walking out of Friday's recovery session. Rodgers-Cromartie was to participate in practice this week as normal but would be one of the seven game-day inactives Sunday in Denver. The source went on to say that Rodgers-Cromartie showed up for meetings Wednesday but left the defensive team meeting while it was ongoing, cleaned out his locker and left the team facility. At that time, the team made the decision to suspend him. At this time, a source said, the Giants have no plans to release or trade Rodgers-Cromartie and instead plan to welcome him back with a clean slate once he has served his punishment.
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RE: Btw, DRC has been on some pretty bad teams  
Matt M. : 10/11/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13643664 eclipz928 said:
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in the past and there's been no previous talk of him having this sort of behavior or attitude. Can't be just the player, something is really wrong here.
Weren't there issues with him in Philly?
RE: Btw, DRC has been on some pretty bad teams  
Milton : 10/11/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13643664 eclipz928 said:
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in the past and there's been no previous talk of him having this sort of behavior or attitude. Can't be just the player, something is really wrong here.
DRC has been on good teams and bad teams, what they all had in common was a willingness to show him the door.
DRC should never have done this it's very unprofessional  
montanagiant : 10/11/2017 5:48 pm : link
But the elephant in the room is that this kind of shit is what you see when a team is coming apart at the seams.
I don't think McAdoo was wrong for suspending him  
Matt M. : 10/11/2017 5:49 pm : link
But, it does seem like this was mishandled prior to this suspension. There are clearly communication issues and he does seem to be losing players.
DRC is a pain in the ass.  
TC : 10/11/2017 5:53 pm : link
But that being said, I don't know what else is going on. If I'm being singled out for crappy play (True!) I may begin to feel like a scapegoat while watching the entire offense range somewhere between HOLY CRAP and meh.
What exactly is recovery day  
ThreePoints : 10/11/2017 5:53 pm : link
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RE: Can't fault DRC here  
Devon : 10/11/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13643685 NYGmen58 said:
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McAdoo is clueless and has lost the lockerroom.


Yes, you absolutely can.

McAdoo being incompetent in general doesn't prevent it in any way. DRC was largely the wrong party here and Benny seems to be doing what a HC should for once.
RE: What exactly is recovery day  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/11/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13643700 ThreePoints said:
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Series of physical activities designed to reduce injuries. It was implemented last year.
McAdoo has lost the team  
PatersonPlank : 10/11/2017 5:59 pm : link
Time to move on to a different coach. This team needs a reboot.
Suspending him after the chargers game  
eclipz928 : 10/11/2017 6:00 pm : link
Was probably a little too heavy handed. Emotions were high after that loss and all the injuries.

Poor decision and bad leadership for DRC to leave the game early, but the coach has to allow a little room for some frustration. A fine, and a benching for part of the game may have been enough to get the message across.
RE: RE: Btw, DRC has been on some pretty bad teams  
eclipz928 : 10/11/2017 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13643690 Matt M. said:
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in the past and there's been no previous talk of him having this sort of behavior or attitude. Can't be just the player, something is really wrong here.

Weren't there issues with him in Philly?

There were no issues in Philly, he just played poorly there. He was also on one of the worst defenses that Philly had in years, which eventually lead to the DC being fired.
RE: RE: This was going to be his last year with the Giants anyway,  
NYDCBlue : 10/11/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13643673 robbieballs2003 said:
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his skills have fallen off.



WTF are you talking about?


Maybe he is talking about DRC's play in the slot. The guy is great outside, but last year he was slightly below average in the slot. He really struggled against teams like Dallas and Wash that have small shifty slot players. This year he pretty much sucks covering the slot. He is a liability out there at that position.
DRC  
littlejoe47 : 10/11/2017 6:16 pm : link
Maybe he shouldn't have done this, maybe it was needed. Seems to me something we expected. The Coach does not have the respect of the team. He probably doesn't react this way if the players are bought in. Many will complain about gen-x/millenials and their entitlement ,blah, blah, blah. Leaders throughout history needed followers who were bought in. When Coughlin felt like he was losing the team, he reached out to team leaders and we won a superbowl.
DRC played the slot  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 10/11/2017 6:20 pm : link
Because heís the best suited to play the slot and has been for the past few years. Cockerel canít play the slot. This why cockerel played there. I donít get where people canít see that. The slot cb is basically a starter and plays more now then the WILL LB in modern day defenses.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 10/11/2017 6:20 pm : link
Season is approaching laughing stock

Who knew the Gmen would be the most dysfunctional in the NFC East
Didn't he get hurt in the chargers game?  
ron mexico : 10/11/2017 6:20 pm : link
I thought I saw him pull up what looked like a hamstring injury
RE: RE: RE: This was going to be his last year with the Giants anyway,  
robbieballs2003 : 10/11/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13643730 NYDCBlue said:
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his skills have fallen off.



WTF are you talking about?



Maybe he is talking about DRC's play in the slot. The guy is great outside, but last year he was slightly below average in the slot. He really struggled against teams like Dallas and Wash that have small shifty slot players. This year he pretty much sucks covering the slot. He is a liability out there at that position.


Interesting. Do we just say stuff and believe it is true or do we just flat out lie? DRC was one of the best CBs in the league last year amd was named second team all-pro which is way more significant than a pro-bowl nomination.
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Or maybe this  
robbieballs2003 : 10/11/2017 6:25 pm : link
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Landon Collins was PFFís number one breakout player of 2016, as well as making the PFF All-Pro first team and contending for Defensive Player of the Year. Both Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Janoris Jenkins finished in the top 10 among cornerbacks in passer rating against in 2016 as DRC saw just a 56.0 passer rating when targeted, fourth best and Jenkins saw a 64.8, T-10th best. They combine to make up one of the best cornerback tandems in the league, while last yearís No. 10 overall draft pick Eli Apple has his best football ahead of him. In his debut season, Apple averaged 11.4 snaps in coverage per reception allowed, which was fifth best among all rookie cornerbacks last season.

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It is all part of being 0-5  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/11/2017 6:25 pm : link
would not surprise me if this spreads. The locker room is a bad place right now.
Mac has lost the team  
ZogZerg : 10/11/2017 6:25 pm : link
He needs to clean out his office.
This meltdown should shock no one  
Ben in Tampa : 10/11/2017 6:35 pm : link
This is a poorly run organization right now
RE: What DRC did is on DRC (not Mac)  
UberAlias : 10/11/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13643656 Beer Man said:
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But the incident is a clear sign of a coach that is losing (or has lost) the locker room.
Exactly.
This is on DRC but....Mac is in trouble. Eli' Apples comments  
Blue21 : 10/11/2017 6:58 pm : link
were telling also. Somthing wrong here and it starts with the head coach in my opinion.
McAdoo  
AcidTest : 10/11/2017 6:58 pm : link
handled it correctly. That's all on DRC. Terrible by him.
any chance the "source close to the situation"  
HomerJones45 : 10/11/2017 7:09 pm : link
is with management or McAdoo himself?

Nah
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Danny Kanell : 10/11/2017 7:11 pm : link
Iím surprised the Giants are welcoming him back.
RE: Or maybe this  
eclipz928 : 10/11/2017 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13643752 robbieballs2003 said:
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1. New York Giants

Landon Collins was PFFís number one breakout player of 2016, as well as making the PFF All-Pro first team and contending for Defensive Player of the Year. Both Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Janoris Jenkins finished in the top 10 among cornerbacks in passer rating against in 2016 as DRC saw just a 56.0 passer rating when targeted, fourth best and Jenkins saw a 64.8, T-10th best. They combine to make up one of the best cornerback tandems in the league, while last yearís No. 10 overall draft pick Eli Apple has his best football ahead of him. In his debut season, Apple averaged 11.4 snaps in coverage per reception allowed, which was fifth best among all rookie cornerbacks last season.

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DRC's season was very underrated last season, mostly due to the fact that he didn't cause that many turnovers compared to Jenkins. People that keep talking about trading and cutting this guy don't understand just how good he has been on the Giants.
makes you wonder  
tony71 : 10/11/2017 7:28 pm : link
After how he talks about Eli, and all the noise coming from other players,DRC complaining something BM said was BS,, how does BM really treat his players when the the mics and cameras arnt there. Guy constantly dumps on his QB. refuses to let anyone else call plays, kids himself about the offensive line.. Dont know if he is a control freak, too cocky for his own good, or just gets his undies twisted when shit goes wrong.. Something definitely is happening and i think he is a big part of it. Even Coughlin was a Dick until he listened to the players and chilled out some.. Does Mac need to do this too?
Good leadership involves resolving conflict before it escalates  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2017 7:28 pm : link
. Not absolving DRC but this sounds like it could have been nipped in the bud
People beliieve what they want to believe....  
LarmerTJR : 10/11/2017 7:40 pm : link
There were rumors of DRC being a cancer before he got here...but some people forget that. His effort has been questioned elsewhere as well. And the rumor the Giants thought of moving on in the offseason to save cash...
Right or Wrong  
Bernie : 10/11/2017 8:09 pm : link
there are $35 million reasons ($29 million already collected) why DRC should not have behaved this way. I understand frustration, but be a professional.
Not excusing DRC although we really do not know the causes...  
EricJ : 10/11/2017 8:24 pm : link
only the reactions.

That being said, for me this is all a good thing. The season is lost already and all of this noise just brings us one step closer to big changes at the end of the year.
So glad  
Joey in VA : 10/11/2017 8:39 pm : link
We signed him instead of re-signing Linval Joseph. Could have used the Snacks money on the OL, but I digress. Jerry Reese is an idiot, wait I ingressed there but the point is, JR has lost his ability to build a team. He could be sitting here with Zach Martin, Todd Gurley and Laremy Tunsil but we have Odell, Eli Apple and Erik Flowers instead. Gun to your head which trio do you prefer? He has to go, he's lost control of this roster and it's too far gone for him to fix.
Frustation  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/11/2017 9:01 pm : link
we all thought, including the players, that we would build on 2016 and add weapons and go to the Super Bowl

he is seeing his last shot at a ring evaporate

RE: So glad  
jogo1 : 10/11/2017 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13643969 Joey in VA said:
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We signed him instead of re-signing Linval Joseph.


So am I. A consistent Pro Bowl-caliber player at a premium position for $7M/year is a steal.
RE: RE: So glad  
Joey in VA : 10/11/2017 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13644091 jogo1 said:
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We signed him instead of re-signing Linval Joseph.



So am I. A consistent Pro Bowl-caliber player at a premium position for $7M/year is a steal.
Slot CB is a premium position? Stopping the run isn't important? Shoring up your OL isn't important? Having a steady ground game isn't important? News flash, unless you have Tom Brady you don't buck the trends in this league. You run, you stop the run and you win, period. You think Peyton Manning won the SB with the Broncos because of his aerial prowess? No, his DL destroyed the Panthers and his running game controlled the clock. You think we won because of Eli's miracle plays or the fact that we held the LOS long enough to grind out wins. You want a pro bowl caliber CB who plays 10 games a year or a 325lb run stopping monster inside who makes the rest of your defense better? You made your point, flimsily, but you you made it and you're dead wrong, and clearly stupid as to how the whole football thing works. You win up front, then the rest fills in, you don't sacrifice back end for front end when you can't stop the run. Congrats though, you may be the owner of the stupidest post on BBI all season.
what am I missing?  
LG in NYC : 10/11/2017 9:32 pm : link
what exactly is DRC, and for that matter Jackrabbit, upset about that they are leaving the field early?

are they pissed at the Offense? if so, that is a little BS since the D is responsible for 2 of the losses.

are they pissed at the coaching staff? if so, presumably Spags but they've played with him for a while - at least DRC has.

or is this just general frustration?

I'd really like to know.
I would be upset too at the shitty offense  
SHO'NUFF : 10/11/2017 9:33 pm : link
They put up, what, a measly 9 points by halftime on a shitty team.

There's only so much a man can take.

I would slam my helmet and leave, too.
RE: McAdoo has lost the team  
81_Great_Dane : 10/11/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13643710 PatersonPlank said:
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Time to move on to a different coach. This team needs a reboot.
Or, maybe DRC is the problem and the team will back the coach. We don't know yet.
RE: RE: RE: So glad  
jogo1 : 10/11/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13644126 Joey in VA said:
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Congrats though, you may be the owner of the stupidest post on BBI all season.


You must have all the GMs in the league outsmarted as well, otherwise they wouldn't be paying top dollar for CBs rather than 2-down defensive linemen.
A timeline for this ridiculous bullshit?  
mattlawson : 10/11/2017 10:29 pm : link
this is officially jumped the shark. We're not talking about the Vegas shooter
RE: Yep, McAdoo's fault.  
djstat : 10/11/2017 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13643634 section125 said:
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Why cause a grown man millionaire can't do his job? His job is to play based on the what the coaches scheme up. Thats not on coach.
RE: what am I missing?  
GoDeep13 : 10/11/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13644181 LG in NYC said:
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what exactly is DRC, and for that matter Jackrabbit, upset about that they are leaving the field early?

are they pissed at the Offense? if so, that is a little BS since the D is responsible for 2 of the losses.

are they pissed at the coaching staff? if so, presumably Spags but they've played with him for a while - at least DRC has.

or is this just general frustration?

I'd really like to know.


Mac has been meddling with the defense. He said before the Chargers game that he was going to "simplify" the defense. I think that was the last straw for those guys. He can do whatever he wants with his offense but he needs to back the hell out of the defense room ala Ditka/Ryan.
DRC was 100% wrong and deserves to be suspended  
Matt M. : 10/11/2017 11:37 pm : link
But, the fact that stuff like this is happening and multiple players are publicly stating their displeasure with the coach, is an example of a coaching problem as well.
Why is Spags not getting any flak for this?  
penkap75 : 10/12/2017 9:18 am : link
Isn't he the leader of the defense?
Buck stops at Mcadoo, but how come no one is calling out Spags?
RE: I would be upset too at the shitty offense  
BillKo : 10/12/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13644183 SHO'NUFF said:
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They put up, what, a measly 9 points by halftime on a shitty team.

There's only so much a man can take.

I would slam my helmet and leave, too.


LOL...kidding, right? So you think DRC was in the right?
It will be interesting to see the damage control  
Doomster : 10/12/2017 10:42 am : link
that comes out of this.....So Mac is going to suspend DRC for this week's game.....Cockrell will be out there? This should be good....NFL point spread should be going over 12 by now....

We still don't know the reason why Jenkins and DRC, have acted the way they have, it's just speculation....

This is either going to unify the team and make it a close game, or could be one of the biggest blowouts the Giants have ever had....
we only have management's side of the story  
HomerJones45 : 10/12/2017 10:55 am : link
which has been leaked to the usual outlets. Not to say that the hot take about DRC was wrong, but there may be more to the story than DRC had some sort of a sudden meltdown which persisted for 4 days
What we are seeing is an 0-5 team  
bigfish703 : 10/12/2017 12:54 pm : link
that is frustrated and disappointed that a season which was anticipated as a possible SuperBowl run has disintegrated.
This is what you get when you lose game after game in the last seconds and see all 3 of your starting wide receivers carried off the field in the same game.

What is going on in the locker room now is not so surprising.
Stuff like this happens to losing teams.

The frustration and anger has now spread to the bloggers. All you have to do to see this is to reread this string, which contains a lot of angry, irrational nonsense. You may say that players who earn millions of dollars should be able to control themselves better than fans, but the players are barely out of the kid stage. What is your excuse for going off the deep end?

What I will be looking now for is how MacAdoo and the owners handle this adversity. We will now find out whether they are worthy of being leaders.

As for the bloggers, my advice is take a deep breath. Football is like the rest of life, at times unpredictable and frustrating. Long-time NY Giant fans should know this. Letís see how mature you are.
RE: What we are seeing is an 0-5 team  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13645646 bigfish703 said:
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that is frustrated and disappointed that a season which was anticipated as a possible SuperBowl run has disintegrated.
This is what you get when you lose game after game in the last seconds and see all 3 of your starting wide receivers carried off the field in the same game.

What is going on in the locker room now is not so surprising.
Stuff like this happens to losing teams.

The frustration and anger has now spread to the bloggers. All you have to do to see this is to reread this string, which contains a lot of angry, irrational nonsense. You may say that players who earn millions of dollars should be able to control themselves better than fans, but the players are barely out of the kid stage. What is your excuse for going off the deep end?

What I will be looking now for is how MacAdoo and the owners handle this adversity. We will now find out whether they are worthy of being leaders.

As for the bloggers, my advice is take a deep breath. Football is like the rest of life, at times unpredictable and frustrating. Long-time NY Giant fans should know this. Letís see how mature you are.


Best post I've seen.
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