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Stan in LA : 10/11/2017 7:58 pm
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New York Giants: Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA

As mentioned, I had the Giants trade up for a quarterback two weeks ago. They no longer have to do that, as they can pick the California signal-caller that the Browns don't want.

Eli Manning turns 37 in January, and he's in obvious decline. The Giants will likely have a new front office, so they'll want their own franchise quarterback.

Josh Rosen was once the projected No. 1 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, but he's been passed by Sam Darnold, and maybe even Lamar Jackson. NFL coaches and owners are wary of the sort of things Rosen has discussed to the media, and his open views could hurt him. Scouts have told us that his teammates don't like him either, so that's a major strike against him. And for the cherry on top, even if his high school coach criticized him. However, Rosen's epic comeback against Texas A& M almost certainly has helped repair his draft stock a bit.


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I hear he is a major head case  
George from PA : 10/11/2017 8:02 pm : link
Pass
RE: I hear he is a major head case  
Stan in LA : 10/11/2017 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13643863 George from PA said:
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Pass


Also a major talent. Bright kid playing for an awful coach in Mora. Love this pick.
Here we go again  
Blue Moon : 10/11/2017 8:10 pm : link
Misguided and all about flash. You take the highest rated O line stud and then repeat it in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. Have we not learned anything about the follies of out former GM over the last six drafts?
Pass  
Bernie : 10/11/2017 8:13 pm : link
will never survive the pressure cooker of NY.
RE: Here we go again  
Giantology : 10/11/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13643876 Blue Moon said:
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Misguided and all about flash. You take the highest rated O line stud and then repeat it in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. Have we not learned anything about the follies of out former GM over the last six drafts?


The draft is about picking talent, not positions. No NFL GM is going to sit there and draft all OL for rounds 1-5, that's idiotic and completely ignores value.
RE: Here we go again  
nygiants16 : 10/11/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13643876 Blue Moon said:
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Misguided and all about flash. You take the highest rated O line stud and then repeat it in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. Have we not learned anything about the follies of out former GM over the last six drafts?


so you reach for an olineman ratger than draft ypur qb for the bext 15 years?

makes sense
Rosen  
TOPPS coach : 10/11/2017 8:22 pm : link
Don't have a problem picking a franchise QB with the first pick but will throw the remote if we pick a RB in the second with quality linemen still on the board
Righ  
AcidTest : 10/11/2017 8:24 pm : link
now, my choice would be Allen if we take a QB. Extremely mobile, and his release reminds me of Marino. He seems to be able to flick the ball downfield on a rope with just his wrist. Also has some touch.
RE: Pass  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13643884 Bernie said:
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will never survive the pressure cooker of NY.


If any of the QBs would, he would.
i remember reading a scout  
George from PA : 10/11/2017 8:26 pm : link
referencing him to Ryan Leaf.

no way....not worth the risk.

the kid from USC and Okl....one of the tackles....

personally, I would like to see more of Webb beforing giving up on him

A trade down for a slew of picks....as those QBs will be in high demand....and give Eli another real shot.

Kid is an obvious moron  
Mr. Nickels : 10/11/2017 8:27 pm : link
No leadership. Plus just look at him..Hard pass.

Take Darnold.
So telll me  
Blue Moon : 10/11/2017 8:28 pm : link
We wasted a valued third round pick in last years draft and are now willing to gamble again on picking a QB in the first round? Madness.
Picking talent not positions  
WillVAB : 10/11/2017 8:28 pm : link
That's the same bullshit we've heard over the last 5 years when we pass on OL talent and here we are.
RE: Kid is an obvious moron  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13643941 Mr. Nickels said:
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No leadership. Plus just look at him..Hard pass.

Take Darnold.


Yeah, he's a real moron.
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And what does "just look at him" mean  
jeff57 : 10/11/2017 8:32 pm : link
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Barkley  
DavidinBMNY : 10/11/2017 8:58 pm : link
When have we had a RB close to his talent level? You have to go back to Hampton to be even in the ballpark. Barkley is my pick all day Saturday and twice on Sunday if we finish in the top 3.
Rosen is progressive  
Vanzetti : 10/11/2017 9:10 pm : link
But that is not going to hurt him since the NFL is mostly African American and Sfrican Americans are mostly well left of Center

His statements are a complete non issue
If you're confident you have your QB of the future  
Overseer : 10/11/2017 9:14 pm : link
you take him at 3 or 4 where the Giants will be picking. This is a no brainer and not debatable.

But by all accounts there is no can't miss Andrew Luck in this class so it gets complicated (maybe that changes over the course of this college season).

In that case you plug what you can via FA/trade - also complicated given the Giants' cap situation (even after likely DRC, BM, etc cuts) - and go BPA which is likely Barkley.

The Giants are not going to fix the Oline in a season. Accept it. This is what happens from multiple years of shitty drafting. They're going to have MINIMUM 2 screaming needs on the Oline, probably 3, maybe 4. Depending on Jones & Flowers development, and Pugh/Richberg. The goal is the reach serviceable Oline status.

Nate Solder + a solid draft will be a nice off-season for a bad team.
RE: So telll me  
thomasa510 : 10/11/2017 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13643942 Blue Moon said:
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We wasted a valued third round pick in last years draft and are now willing to gamble again on picking a QB in the first round? Madness.


Yep. You see a franchise QB you take one, unless you already have one (and even then sometimes you do anyway)
There are questions with all these QB's  
hitchchops2 : 10/11/2017 9:46 pm : link
However, at this point Rosen has been the most impressive. Darnold really should stay for another year, he has spit the bit this season, and his admission that he lost his confidence is scary for a potential QB here. As for Barkley, I don't see anything special...will dominate in college, but not intuitive and certainly not a generational talent. That's the hype machine, not coming from scouts or those who watch more than highlights. Just my opinion though....
RE: Barkley  
Sonic Youth : 10/11/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13644046 DavidinBMNY said:
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When have we had a RB close to his talent level? You have to go back to Hampton to be even in the ballpark. Barkley is my pick all day Saturday and twice on Sunday if we finish in the top 3.
Hampton? Barber.
Oct 11th and we are talking about the draft  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/11/2017 10:01 pm : link
this sucks so bad
RE: There are questions with all these QB's  
mphbullet36 : 10/11/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13644236 hitchchops2 said:
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However, at this point Rosen has been the most impressive. Darnold really should stay for another year, he has spit the bit this season, and his admission that he lost his confidence is scary for a potential QB here. As for Barkley, I don't see anything special...will dominate in college, but not intuitive and certainly not a generational talent. That's the hype machine, not coming from scouts or those who watch more than highlights. Just my opinion though....


barkley...nothing special...don't mean to be rude but are you blind?
I do have poor vision lol  
hitchchops2 : 10/11/2017 10:10 pm : link
...but I imagine that's not what you meant. I'm sorry my opinion is different than yours, but I've seen most of his games this season and I see a really good college runner, with exceptional speed. But I don't see an intuitive or instinctual guy, but I'm probably wrong, I'm sure he will do fine. But to take a RB over a QB that high seems insane, as a RB is a nice piece to have, but certainly not necessary to be a winner in this era of pro football.
Might be the best prospect I have ever seen !  
Bluesbreaker : 10/11/2017 10:54 pm : link
Barkley
DavidinBMNY : 8:58 pm : link : reply
When have we had a RB close to his talent level? You have to go back to Hampton to be even in the ballpark. Barkley is my pick all day Saturday and twice on Sunday if we finish in the top 3.


I have never seen the kind of combination of speed power and
moves he can Truck you jump over you and speed past you .
He can catch the ball as well . Hell in two more year's Webb
could be the guy and I would consider moving OBJ if the
price was right say a high #1 #2 and and a quality O-line starter . you could use the 2nd #1 and get a true LT
with two #2's remaining get an edge rusher and another CB or LB . I know its a dream but if Webb emerges we have
the ability to sign a good FA to boot .
Much depends on how well Webb pans out .
RE: Here we go again  
Sean : 10/11/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13643876 Blue Moon said:
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Misguided and all about flash. You take the highest rated O line stud and then repeat it in rounds 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. Have we not learned anything about the follies of out former GM over the last six drafts?


You still pissed we didn't pick Robert Gallery?
RE: Rosen is progressive  
Emil : 10/12/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13644088 Vanzetti said:
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But that is not going to hurt him since the NFL is mostly African American and Sfrican Americans are mostly well left of Center

His statements are a complete non issue


I think this qualifies as a massive over simplification.

I also fail to see what Rosen's comments, none of which have been made recently, have to do with being politically progressive. He isn't the first player, left or right leaning, to think NCAA players should be paid.
Hate to break t to you schmucks  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/12/2017 12:34 am : link
but, while it's really early, it's very possible that there won't be an OT worth a top 3 pick. Reaching for position isn't the way out if this mess.

Despite popular belief, the OL isn't in it's current state because they didn't draft players; They took the wrong players, at the wrong time. They reached for first round OL out of desperation. Flowers and Pugh were both reaches. Flowers sucks, and Pugh is average at best, not first round value.

Now you want to do the same thing?


What NCAA football have these guys been watching?  
Emil : 10/12/2017 12:51 am : link
Certainly Rosen has his trouble spots, mostly extracurricular and attitude. But on what planet has Darnold outplayed him? Darnold, who is certainly very good, has largely stumbled out of the gate and shown a tendency for bad decision making. He already has 9 ints on the year and only 12 Tds. Plus USC has a far better supporting cast than UCLA, and it's not like Darnold isn't in the midst of his own controversy regarding comments about the USC coaching staff.

I personally think much of Rosen's comments are overblown, the problem is no NFL team wants their qb tweeting and weighing in on issues. That would be a distraction in today's nfl. But Rosen is having one impressive year, and already has 17 tds and only 5 ints on the year. If you watch ucla, you'll see a team that is short on talent, has no defense, and few threats in the passing game. Rosen spends all game running for his life, but still puts up impressive stats while usually leading his team to a win. No one can question Rosen's arm, just his head.

Problem for the Giants is they can't have a rookie QB come in and be overwhelmed, in awe of the moment, say the wrong things publicly, or unable to lead veteran players. Darnold strikes me as a QB who still has maturing to do in regards to his game. Rosen strikes me as a QB who has maturing to do off the field.

Which one do you want sitting behind Eli for a year? I'm not convinced Darnold or Rosen are a perfect fit for the Giants. And I'm not convinced that Jackson, Mayfield, or Josh Allen are at the same pro talent level as Darnold and Rosen. So does that lead to Saquon Barkley? Perhaps it does.
Barkley is Ezekiel But Better at Everything...  
Capt. Don : 10/12/2017 9:08 am : link
Faster, bigger, stronger, more elusive, better vision, better hands. And I say that with a lot of respect for Elliot (as a player).

I dont know who we should pick but picking him wont be a mistake.

People will say it doesnt matter how good he is behind a bad offensive line but we have already seen the difference in our running game with a 4th round pick and Orleans Darkwa getting carries instead of Perkins.
Not sure why we keep grasping for that QB savior  
Jeever : 10/12/2017 10:43 am : link
If that SB loss to the Ravens proved anything it's that you can win it all with a mediocre QB and a good OL and running game and a good front seven on defense.

I would jump on Barkley and then take OL with 4 of our next 6 picks. We also need to address LB.
Jeev  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2017 10:50 am : link
I'd say that's the exception to the rule in most cases. Look at the teams that are always there. They have the franchise QB and a good one at that. Look at the Chiefs. They have a fantastic roster, and have never gotten over the top because of Alex Smith. He's playing great this year, but I still don't trust him in a playoff game when it matters.
If we have a top 3 pick  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2017 10:52 am : link
there's not a chance in hell we go OL unless one of the OL is a consensus top 5. Adams may be the closest thing. But if we took OL over our next franchise QB, that would be a huge huge mistake. You never know when you have the opportunity to draft an elite QB again. Look at the Browns and how many they passed over.
RE: Barkley  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13644046 DavidinBMNY said:
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When have we had a RB close to his talent level? You have to go back to Hampton to be even in the ballpark. Barkley is my pick all day Saturday and twice on Sunday if we finish in the top 3.


You don't think Barber was better than Hampton?

Different era, both great, I think I'd take Barber though for his versatility and he definitely learned to run hard as his career progressed.

RE: Not sure why we keep grasping for that QB savior  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13645361 Jeever said:
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If that SB loss to the Ravens proved anything it's that you can win it all with a mediocre QB and a good OL and running game and a good front seven on defense.

I would jump on Barkley and then take OL with 4 of our next 6 picks. We also need to address LB.


two anomaly super bowl winners, the Ravens and the Bucs (and Brad Johnson wasn't as bad as Dilfer) is what you want to use as your blueprint for success?

Barkley  
Giantfootball025 : 10/12/2017 11:03 am : link
Is the best college football player in this years draft. He has no visible weaknesses at his position. Running, cutting, pass blocking, catching out of the backfield, he does it all. To top that all off he's a great kid. In a time where our team is hanging on by a thread, Barkley is the type of player(s) you want in the locker room.
The only way I'd go OL  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2017 11:12 am : link
in the top 5 is if there was no franchise QB was there.

If there is a legit franchise QB it's a no-brainer to me you take the QB.

No chance in hell I take a RB top 5. I wouldn't take Walter Payton at 5. RB's break down.

I can't recall the last team with a top/highly picked RB that won a SB.

yet you can look through the Super Bowl winning QB's the past 15 years or so and other than Brady and Wilson, all 1st round picks.

agree with Jeever  
idiotsavant : 10/12/2017 11:20 am : link
finally everyone sees the foolishness of what we have been trying to do the past so many years.

Then instantly they revert to grasping for sexy skills players. Really? Seriously? Ooosh, guys.

Because after the 2018 draft college football programs will no longer field QBs?...At all...ever? Amirite?

That doesn't seem Knicks - like to you? Like, 20 years of dismal failure Knicks trades?

The new GM should be given the following:

Dictatorial Powers. (rumor has it that Chris Mara secretly wants to run the marketing department anyway, that's probably where the untouched monetary up$ide is).

GM should have Dictatorial powers over the selection of coaches .

With -coaches-, the HC, having dictatorial powers once the season starts. Without any influence at all from upstairs until season ends. None.

BUT...one rule for the GM. ONE RULE!

- No.New.Fucking. QBs. ...or WRs. Until. we. have. the fucking. best. OL. in the game. None.

UDFAs...ok. UDFA wrs and QBs and street players. Fine.

That will light a fire under their balls.
trade down  
idiotsavant : 10/12/2017 11:23 am : link
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RE: Oct 11th and we are talking about the draft  
TheMick7 : 10/12/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13644314 Paulie Walnuts said:
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this sucks so bad


Agree but it really is the only positive we have! I just hope Mara surprises us & cleans house. Then we'd have something else that is positive to talk about!
RE: RE: Oct 11th and we are talking about the draft  
jeff57 : 10/12/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13645465 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 13644314 Paulie Walnuts said:


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this sucks so bad



Agree but it really is the only positive we have! I just hope Mara surprises us & cleans house. Then we'd have something else that is positive to talk about!


Short term pain for long term gain.
RE: trade down  
ajr2456 : 10/12/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13645455 idiotsavant said:
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Worked out great for the Browns, who are still Qb-less
RE: RE: trade down  
jeff57 : 10/12/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13645478 ajr2456 said:
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Worked out great for the Browns, who are still Qb-less


Yeah, passing on Carson Wentz looks like a classic Cleveland move. May turn out the same with Deshaun Watson.
So  
njm : 10/12/2017 12:56 pm : link
You get a young QB who sits behind Eli and a RB who probably is a step up from Gallman.

You essentially dispose of a 3rd rd. draft pick with the verdict still out.

Eli still has 2.3 seconds to release a pass.

Yards after contact for the RB, whoever it is, starts 1 yard behind the line of scrimmage.

I don't think this solves our problems.
Our starting QB will be 37 soon  
Jay on the Island : 10/12/2017 1:55 pm : link
And we are likely to be in position to get his successor. People seem to think that getting a franchise QB is easy. Have you all forgotten about the period between Simms and Eli? If they like Rosen, Allen, or Darnold and take them then I will be thrilled. Address the offensive line in FA and in rounds 2 on.
RE: Our starting QB will be 37 soon  
jeff57 : 10/12/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13645743 Jay on the Island said:
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And we are likely to be in position to get his successor. People seem to think that getting a franchise QB is easy. Have you all forgotten about the period between Simms and Eli? If they like Rosen, Allen, or Darnold and take them then I will be thrilled. Address the offensive line in FA and in rounds 2 on.


Yes. I don't know why this is even a matter of dispute.
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