One afternoon, while John Mara and Woody Johnson were at their billionaire club, they were discussing their respective teams and the subject of culture came up. John felt culture was extremely important while Woody thought it was crazy. He felt it was all about talent. John explained that every team has talent...they just couldn't agree and made a gentleman bet. Their teams would swap cultures and see what happens.....
Anyone else have a better explaination?
Ben McAdoo had to follow a great Giant coach and is having a very hard time. What we are finding out right now is that Coughlin should have never left but you don't know what you got until it's gone.
Culture and chemistry are real things that make good teams great or a lack of chemistry can take talented team and have them play like 53 individuals. Add injuries, bad decisions in game and poor personnel decisions and what we have here is your New York Giants.
Through all of this there is one constant....Eli. He works hard, says the right things and tries to elevate his team.
You can cite a bunch of other stuff, but it all traces back to that. That was the beginning of the end.
That's why we had the coordinator merry-go-round with Coughlin, that ultimately resulted in Gilbride exiting the building. Changes to the CBA meant less practice time and rendered the offensive concepts less effective, but there was no change until McAdoo was hired.
That's why we're seeing player personnel issues too - a reluctance to adjust pro personnel philosophy (devalued OL, LB, increased value at DE and CB). What worked as a template for building a team to win a SB 10 years ago is not working the same way now.
That's why it's time to hit the reboot button.
You can cite a bunch of other stuff, but it all traces back to that. That was the beginning of the end.
Going to agree with Britt here.
How is this season any different than Coughlin's last 3? Bonehead plays, missed tackles, poor special teams, last second losses, injuries. I think some of you want the team to lose so you can whoop about how the Giants did wrong by good ole TC.
The bet amount? One dollar.
Hang in everyone. The ship will right itself.
Oh for fuck's sake - really?
Losing really does bring out the stupid in some of you people.
Chip Kelly came in and surprised everyone with going to playoffs
then the wheels came off the next year and he was out
Now, lets go in the wayback machine.
Those Giants teams were fundamentally sound. Sometimes just. But fundamentally sound. And they were tight, in the sense of no bullshit.
So, the question at the time, in the back of our minds, was, we did not feel very dynamic, did not seem to have a hyped up upside on offense, and even knew that on defense, it would have to be a team effort.
The question was always "can this team pull together and play above its own level...sometimes well above"
or, vs Pats 15-0 team, "can we not only play above our own level, but can we incorporate things to beat this team by next week?"
NOW....todays team is not fundamentally sound, but has (had prior to last week) -all sorts- of dynamic upside players on offense.
Think of it. This team has NEVER has a wr as good as Becks. NEVER. but has -rarely if ever- lacked the fundamentals as we do now.
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Coughlin/Gilbride could no longer run the offensive philosophy they wanted to run and that was the end.
You can cite a bunch of other stuff, but it all traces back to that. That was the beginning of the end.
Going to agree with Britt here.
+1. And you can put that on Reese's inability to fix the OL. 2011 was an aberration -- the demise of the running game has killed this team's offense, and that's directly related to the piss poor OL play.
"Oh Miss Crabtree, I come to you with heavy hands."
It was time to go. A lot of his philosophy needs to be retained.
Need to see if Mac Magoo is the man. How will he respond
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But the decline began on his watch
keep telling yourself that despite all evidence that the issues are elsewhere. You and your merry band are the gang that can't shoot straight.
What does that even mean?
The decline began with the folks picking the talent.
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But the decline began on his watch
The decline began with the folks picking the talent.
Magnified by the choice of HC who seems more interested in staring at his list of plays than what is happening on the field.
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But the decline began on his watch
The decline began with the folks picking the talent.
The DC got the blame, the OC got the blame, the HC got the blame. Well, when all the other possibilities have been removed and there is still a problem . . and yet there are people who still don't get it.
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In comment 13645091 joeinpa said:
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But the decline began on his watch
The decline began with the folks picking the talent.
Magnified by the choice of HC who seems more interested in staring at his list of plays than what is happening on the field.