Intneresting comparison. In 2013, there was no panic, nobody quit, nobody got suspended or pointed the finger, nobody got thrown under the bus....
After starting 0-6 in 2013, Coughlin was able to keep it steady and win 7 games. We even got to 5-6 at one point, and were one game out of first place with a game to play against the first place Cowboys and a chance to take the division lead. May have been one of his greatest coaching jobs of his career, although it is considered by many to be his worst.
Wonder what will happen this season?
At best, I'm hoping for 2 wins.
Andrew Brown
Peyton Hillis
Michael Cox
We got to 4-6 after taking advantage of a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string QBs but then we got beat by Dallas @ home and that was that.
It is a credit to Coughlin that the team stayed together at least, but I see it as an apples to oranges comparison anyway.
This year is much worse because the team is a lot more talented.
Or the implication that some great coaching job was done when the team opened at 0-6 that season?
Not sure what this thread is trying to do.
I'm not trying to turn this into a Coughlin-MacAdoo debate - we know who wins that one, but Coughlin's slate isn't exactly flawless either.
With that said, this is shaping up to be one of the worst Giants seasons I've ever seen, having really started paying attention to them around 1984. Poor on field performance and now poor off field things too. Just when the offense starts scoring points, the defense looks listless. I'd be shocked if this team wins more than three games. Like everyone else, at this juncture I'm hoping they clean house in the front office and staff. Though that's probably being too hopeful.
I chaulk the first 2 losses, to the offense not playing together during the preseason, barely at all. Marshall barely played, OBJ didn't play after he got hurt. So Manning was out there throwing to the players we just called up to the Practice squad.
Now going back to the 2013 team's losing streak, Coughlin's teams were not competitive at all in 3 of those games. They were completely blown out.
I chaulk the first 2 losses, to the offense not playing together during the preseason, barely at all. Marshall barely played, OBJ didn't play after he got hurt. So Manning was out there throwing to the players we just called up to the Practice squad.
Now going back to the 2013 team's losing streak, Coughlin's teams were not competitive at all in 3 of those games. They were completely blown out.
I have vivid flashbacks of the turnovers in Dallas that started off the 0-6 2013 season. Much like the first ones this season, that was an incredibly winnable game that we flushed down the toilet. Then, we pissed away a game to the Eagles when Vick got hurt and they were rescued by Nick fucking Foles of all people.
But yeah, it was all talent.
This thread is exclusively about 2013. Starting in an 0-6 hole makes it a unique situation. Similar to now.
I think they still had a shot but they dug themselves into a deep hole by that point where they "had a shot if they beat Dallas to go 5-6" but it didn't matter.
I forget who it was on Dallas but they ripped the ball right out of Cruzs hand and returned it for a TD. I'm like yeah, this year is a waste.
This team is just trash. I hope they go 1-15, 2-14 just to show how awful they really are here in 2017.
It's relevant. Doesn't matter who they played. They could have packed it in at 0-6, like the current team appears to be doing. They didn't.
Comparisons between Coughlin and McAdoo are not interesting. They are pointless. The Giants may have picked the wrong guy to replace Coughlin, but that doesn't mean they were wrong to replace Coughlin.
Comparisons between Coughlin and McAdoo are not interesting. They are pointless. The Giants may have picked the wrong guy to replace Coughlin, but that doesn't mean they were wrong to replace Coughlin.
Well there's not that much to talk about, is there? The season was essentially over in September.
Coughlin played a part, but was ultimately scapegoated.
This. Guys weren't walking off the field earlier. Leaving the facility and getting suspended. Mcadoo is a moron and his pressers are brutal. He comes off obvious and frankly just not a smart person. In way over his head
FYI, Tolzien threw for 339 yards against us in that game.
Bad players, bad results.
Might the Giants surprise us by showing signs of life on Sunday night, a la Graham-to-Toomer in 1998 or all those meaningless wins over scrub QBs in 2013? Sure... but one of the lessons of 2013 is that even really bad teams can look decent for a few weeks. That's why it's so hard to go 0-16.
Comparisons between Coughlin and McAdoo are not interesting. They are pointless. The Giants may have picked the wrong guy to replace Coughlin, but that doesn't mean they were wrong to replace Coughlin.
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Out that season since I remember beating a bunch of shitty back up QBs like Scott Tolizen and Josh Freeman. That being said to match 7 wins this season seems like a impossible feat.
I don't recall your posts about how lucky we were last season beating a bunch of lousy rookie qb's including 2 in our own division.
FYI, Tolzien threw for 339 yards against us in that game.
In that 4 week span we went against Tolizen, Freeman, Barkley, and Pryor. How is that not lucky?
And wouldn't equate any of those guys to Prescott or Wentz.
Lol 339 yards but you fail to mention his 3 INTs he threw.
I chaulk the first 2 losses, to the offense not playing together during the preseason, barely at all. Marshall barely played, OBJ didn't play after he got hurt. So Manning was out there throwing to the players we just called up to the Practice squad.
Now going back to the 2013 team's losing streak, Coughlin's teams were not competitive at all in 3 of those games. They were completely blown out.
and this is why Mara will stay the course and make no "knee-jerk" reactions
This team has NOTHING. Seriously, I think Mara should invite Rolle to speak to this squad.
I also teach him that if you don't know what it's like to lose, the wins aren't as sweet.
Agree, which is exactly what I said earlier in this thread:
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that 2012-2015 was an organizational failure from top to bottom.
Coughlin played a part, but was ultimately scapegoated.
Coughlin achieved success more quickly than Landry. That's a different metric, and probably reflects the League's unique nurturing of the Jaguars and Panthers when they entered the League. In fact, Dom Capers arguably built a contender even faster than Coughlin, though it also faded much faster.
Coughlin's eight-year tenure in Jacksonville ended with three straight losing seasons, and an overall record of 68-60. Quite respectable - especially for a start-up franchise. But not all that remarkable, when you consider the circumstances of Jacksonville's entry, and the initial performance of the other expansion entry in Carolina. In any case, if Coughlin had never landed another job after the Jags fired him, his head-coaching record would look a lot like Jim Fassel's.
At this point, I think we should embrace the suckitude. This is our opportunity to draft Eli's successor while Eli still has a little bit left in the tank.
In 2017, they're coming off an 11-5 season where the defense looked downright amazing a year earlier.
In 2013, the Giants were never too far behind during their losing streak. The Redskins were terrible, and neither the Cowboys nor the Eagles got two games above .500 until early December.
In 2017, the Eagles sit at 4-1 with a game in hand against the Giants.
Most importantly, in 2013, Coughlin had two Super Bowls under his belt and had not had a losing season since 2004. Players bought into his program and played hard for him in virtually any situation.
In 2017, McAdoo still has to prove himself and doesn't have the luxury of postseason success.
Because Coughlin had the respect of that 0-6 team and McAdoo doesn't. Pay attention Greg, will ya?
This. I don’t get it. Are we trying to say Coughlin is better than Mcadoo? No one would argue that. Are we going a step further and arguing on behalf of keeping Coughlin? That’s where you lose me. It was time. Love him but he ran his course here. That we may have whiffed on his replacement doesn’t change that . In addition, Coughlin isn’t coaching anymore and never will. He’s over 70 years old. His new role in Jacksonville is better suited for him at this point in his life anyway
Comparisons between Coughlin and McAdoo are not interesting. They are pointless. The Giants may have picked the wrong guy to replace Coughlin, but that doesn't mean they were wrong to replace Coughlin.
Exactly!
McAdoo was retained and elevated for the sake of continuity in the mistaken hope/delusion that the Giants were a quality contender that just needed a few fresh ideas. That, and I suspect he was viewed as young and compliant.
Are you saying that Mara will soon be repeating that?...
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In hindsight, the owner later said that firing Coughlin was the worst mistake he ever made.
Are you saying that Mara will soon be repeating that?...
Not quite the same, as Coughlin was many years older, and was still a young guy in Jax....
But I know I personally wonder "what if" they just kept things together one more year, and spent the $200 million on defense.
Think about last year's defense paired with 2015's offense, and Coughlin's ability to motivate players, prepare them, in the playoffs.
Mara may not think it was a big mistake, but he may wonder "what if". I know I do. Do you?
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In hindsight, the owner later said that firing Coughlin was the worst mistake he ever made.
Are you saying that Mara will soon be repeating that?...
Not quite the same, as Coughlin was many years older, and was still a young guy in Jax....
But I know I personally wonder "what if" they just kept things together one more year, and spent the $200 million on defense.
Think about last year's defense paired with 2015's offense, and Coughlin's ability to motivate players, prepare them, in the playoffs.
Mara may not think it was a big mistake, but he may wonder "what if". I know I do. Do you?
I think that the game had passed Coughlin by, but what disturbs me about McAdoo is the total inability to adjust to what is happening in the game and MAYBE change your game plan somewhat, instead of just doing the same thing which isn't working!
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In comment 13645314 Britt in VA said:
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In hindsight, the owner later said that firing Coughlin was the worst mistake he ever made.
Are you saying that Mara will soon be repeating that?...
Not quite the same, as Coughlin was many years older, and was still a young guy in Jax....
But I know I personally wonder "what if" they just kept things together one more year, and spent the $200 million on defense.
Think about last year's defense paired with 2015's offense, and Coughlin's ability to motivate players, prepare them, in the playoffs.
Mara may not think it was a big mistake, but he may wonder "what if". I know I do. Do you?
And I say this thinking Tisch is a boob, Mara a weakling, that we'd be better with a chimpanzee in Chris Mara's place, Reese finally exposed and McAdoo totally over his head in the deep end of the pool.