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Getting blown out by Broncos on Nat'l TV may force HC change

Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:27 pm
The Mara's pride themselves on this gentleman air and appearance, with professionalism and decorum and so on and so forth (except when they don't, but I digress). Getting embarrassed by the Broncos on prime time (likely the last SNF appearance of the year) this Sunday could be the straw that breaks the camel's back on McAdoo, knowing what we know about them. You know this DRC situation is far more deleterious to old Ben than he'll ever let on. I imagine this game is actually the make or break to whether we see a mid-season change.
Despite how bad we are...  
penkap75 : 10/12/2017 1:28 pm : link
We haven't been blown out in any game, and almost every game was winnable. Sad.
pfft, rally around DRC  
Dave : 10/12/2017 1:31 pm : link
get to 1-5 enroute to 11-5! Championship!
scores have been close, but we've never really been at the races  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:31 pm : link
Except maybe with Philly. Teams know they just have to hit 21 points and have an astronomical chance of beating this sorry bunch.

Dumb clock management and awful play calling mean we're basically playing for a win coming from the final possession, and we keep getting it wrong.
I doubt being blown out  
section125 : 10/12/2017 1:32 pm : link
is going to do anything to influence any coaching or office positions. Just good enough to lose a majority of games is worse than getting blown out in one game.
section  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:34 pm : link
the Mara's don't like to be embarassed (who does) - a national TV slaughter is more likely to force their hand.
They've had the lead with 3 minutes left each of the past 3 weeks,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2017 1:35 pm : link
which isn't so different from the 2015 team that was coached by a Hall of Famer.

Not getting blown out by Broncos on Sunday night should be considered a victory.
There's zero chance  
BlackLight : 10/12/2017 1:35 pm : link
that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
seems unlikely to me  
Greg from LI : 10/12/2017 1:37 pm : link
Despite some terrible seasons in the meantime, they haven't fired a coach midseason since 1978. Also the last time they fired a GM.
There is a chance  
GmeninPSL : 10/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
if he get's into it with a player or two on the sidelines, it will show the Football world that he is losing the team and my guess would be the Mara's act sooner than later.

Please, please embarrass yourself McNuggets!! Please be confronted on the sideline and look like the absolute fool you are!!!!
RE: There's zero chance  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13645700 BlackLight said:
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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.


Dissension is bound to happen on a team with high expectations that's losing games. I think the truest measure of the coach is the effort of the players. Considering that we could've easily won each of the past 3 weeks, effort doesn't seem to be the issue... yet.
like you may not see the ax fall the following Monday  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
but assuming they're currently uncertain, and it takes a little time to sort out a coaching change, it could be the decisive game for his fate.
not happening....  
BillKo : 10/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
...plus we're going in beaten and battered at the WR position.


All a blowout does is continue to make a case for big changes at the end of the year.
I don't think we're going to get blown out  
mattlawson : 10/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
We haven't been blown out really -- we have moved the ball at times but no points to show for it that's the biggest problem. D gets tired by the second half and can't stuff the run on the outsides. No jpp and ov make it horribly unproductive
I'll be shocked if the Giants aren't blown out  
ZogZerg : 10/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
No running game, no WRs, Denver coming off bye week. Eli is going to be killed.
I can think of TONS  
NorwoodWideRight : 10/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
Of national games we were blown out in that didn't result in a coaching change.
Starting to get an odd  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
feeling we win this game
Norwood  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
was the ship ever listing this much though?
I expect guys to quit on this HC  
Rflairr : 10/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
.
Hasn't mattered  
giantsfaninphilly : 10/12/2017 1:54 pm : link
any other time the Giants have been embarrassed on a national game. Don't see why it would here.
in addition to straight up quitting  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 1:54 pm : link
I expect little injuries to force guys out of games, and so on.
idk, if another player walks off the field mid game  
Dave : 10/12/2017 1:56 pm : link
all bets are off
If the talent is as mediocre as many allege....  
njm : 10/12/2017 1:58 pm : link
except for Odell and a few others, then the players have a clear incentive not to quit on this team. It's called a contract and the continuation thereof after this season.
Part of talent is being put into a position to succeed  
Nitro : 10/12/2017 2:06 pm : link
like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.
RE: Part of talent is being put into a position to succeed  
njm : 10/12/2017 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13645773 Nitro said:
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.


That's irrelevant on the defensive side of the ball and only marginally relevant with regards to the OL.
Short of being caught in a compromising situation similar  
jcn56 : 10/12/2017 2:27 pm : link
to the former Dolphins OL coach, I doubt anything changes on Monday. The Giants don't operate like that.
Putting  
ryanmkeane : 10/12/2017 2:30 pm : link
Hart back out there at RT might be reason enough to get him fired
nothing will happen after this game  
Matt in SGS : 10/12/2017 2:59 pm : link
even if it's 31-3 (which is quite likely).

His father often said he knew it was time for a change when he saw apathy from the fans. Just wait until the last group of home games against the NFC East in December when that stadium is either half full or a generous percentage of Eagle/ Cowboy/ Redskins fans.

If the Giants sleepwalk through bad losses at home to end the year, against their division, which the stadium filled with opposing fans, then you will see McAdoo fired.
RE: I can think of TONS  
BigBlueinChicago : 10/12/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13645712 NorwoodWideRight said:
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Of national games we were blown out in that didn't result in a coaching change.


I was at the Minnesota game in 2015 when it was 2 degrees outside and they lost 49-10 in Week 16 after they were officially eliminated the night before and you knew what was going to happen two weeks later.

Odell had just been suspended. They had no offense and once the rout was on, it never stopped.
No outcome is forcing a coachiing change in the season  
Matt M. : 10/12/2017 3:19 pm : link
I wonder what the over/under for wins is for ownership to consider firing McAdoo and/or Reese.
I've never seen more blowout losses than the last two years of Coughin  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/12/2017 3:21 pm : link
Running the team, and that didn't press the issue.
I think the Giants rally around their  
joeinpa : 10/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
Coach and play well this Sunday, maybe even win
That should be  
old man : 10/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
around 1/2 time if they play well, maybe even end of 3rd qtr.
Score prediction: 54-6 if Denvers QB is 'on'.
32-3 if not.
RE: Part of talent is being put into a position to succeed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13645773 Nitro said:
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.


Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.

Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.

RE: I've never seen more blowout losses than the last two years of Coughin  
baadbill : 10/12/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13645885 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Running the team, and that didn't press the issue.


And kicking TC to the curb is looking more and more like a genius decision.
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arcarsenal : 10/12/2017 3:35 pm : link
This is sort of related, I guess...

But does it seem to anyone else that the Giants have had an absurdly low number of dominant wins over the last 5 years or so?

Like.. games where the other team is really just never in it.

Games like the Oakland game in 2009... Seattle in 2010.

There were a couple in 2012... that early season Panthers game. GB, New Orleans.

But since that season, I can barely think of ANY.

There may have been one against the Redskins in 2014, IIRC.. but I don't think we did it once in 2015 or 2016. Obviously not this year, either.

Not that blowouts are super common in the NFL today. It just seems like the Giants have an extremely low % of games in recent years where they play a complete game on both sides of the ball and really win convincingly.

Nearly every single win over the last 2-3 years has been a 1 score game or close.
McAdoo-doo is safe this season  
averagejoe : 10/12/2017 3:37 pm : link
as the bottom falls out and the losses mount his post season interview will be very short but not very sweet.

You're Fired !!
RE: section  
section125 : 10/12/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13645696 Nitro said:
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the Mara's don't like to be embarassed (who does) - a national TV slaughter is more likely to force their hand.


No, I don't think a midseason blowout does anything.
If we changed coaches after every nationally televised Giants  
EricJ : 10/12/2017 3:46 pm : link
blowout and embarrassment... then we would be on our 10th coach in about 6 years.
even more so i think  
well...bye TC : 10/12/2017 4:36 pm : link
will be the 2/3 empty stadium in Nov and Dec. That i think will force Maras hand.
RE: Starting to get an odd  
kelsto811 : 10/12/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13645713 ryanmkeane said:
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feeling we win this game


This ^

Sometimes it's easier when you have nothing to lose
everybody is now getting caught up in being  
micky : 10/12/2017 4:56 pm : link
melodramatic about the giants. nothing is changing. the off season the giants regroup with same coaches, personnel, and gm. Mara doesn't "knee-jerk"
The Giants can't run, and now they  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/12/2017 5:25 pm : link
can't pass. Not that Eli would have ever gotten enough time with this OL, but without Beckham there will be no one to take a 7 yard slant for a touchdown.

The Denver offense isn't fantastic, but 10 points should beat the Giants. Heck, three field goals may do it. Add in a strip sack for 6, and we're looking at losing 16-0 or 20-0, minimum.
RE: If we changed coaches after every nationally televised Giants  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/12/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13645924 EricJ said:
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blowout and embarrassment... then we would be on our 10th coach in about 6 years.


More than that.
What frightening is that your actually serious !  
Bluesbreaker : 10/12/2017 7:53 pm : link
RE: Part of talent is being put into a position to succeed
Ten Ton Hammer : 3:25 pm : link : reply
In comment 13645773 Nitro said:
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.


Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.

Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.

There is a list a mile long of accurate short passer who have never been in a Super Bowl let alone win Two of them .
He will be donning a Yellow Jacket with a 1st ballot selection . But go ahead and try to blame the best QB the Giants have ever had .
The pass that he over threw in the endzone he barley had time to get that throw off and the DE had is left arm up in Eli'd face . We have seen several times this season where we caught breaks on over throws it happens to the best of them .
I don't think the outcome of this game will change a thing...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/12/2017 8:28 pm : link
this was marked down as a likely loss before the season even began.

What could force a change would be behaviors of the players.

Otherwise I agree with the comment that the last games of the season could be the final straw for the owners.
RE: What frightening is that your actually serious !  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/12/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13646177 Bluesbreaker said:
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RE: Part of talent is being put into a position to succeed
Ten Ton Hammer : 3:25 pm : link : reply
In comment 13645773 Nitro said:
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.


Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.

Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.

There is a list a mile long of accurate short passer who have never been in a Super Bowl let alone win Two of them .
He will be donning a Yellow Jacket with a 1st ballot selection . But go ahead and try to blame the best QB the Giants have ever had .
The pass that he over threw in the endzone he barley had time to get that throw off and the DE had is left arm up in Eli'd face . We have seen several times this season where we caught breaks on over throws it happens to the best of them .


He can be the best QB the giants have ever had and also thrown high passes since 2004 and also twice gotten Beckham injured on sky high throws in one season. It's not a mutually exclusive thing. You're not trying to argue that accuracy is one of his weaknesses, are you? Because that would be silly. As silly as even suggesting that being accurate on short throws is some kind of bonus skill that shouldn't necessarily be expected of a starting QB.
RE: There's zero chance  
FStubbs : 10/12/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13645700 BlackLight said:
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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.


It also depends on how deep the hole goes. 0-5 is one thing. 0-11, 0-12 is a whole other beast.
RE: RE: There's zero chance  
EricJ : 10/12/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13646224 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13645700 BlackLight said:


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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.



It also depends on how deep the hole goes. 0-5 is one thing. 0-11, 0-12 is a whole other beast.


ok let's say we are 0-11. You change the coach with 5 games remaining? Why? Who gets the job? You are better off just taking your time to find the right guy after the season is over.
Guaranteed blowout this weekend  
spike : 10/12/2017 10:17 pm : link
Absolute circus going on in Metlife
RE: There's zero chance  
Jersey55 : 10/13/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13645700 BlackLight said:
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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
I agree that the losses might not be the reason Mac gets the ax but coupled with the fact that he seems to have lost the respect of the players and the losses too could get him fired, if not what does it take to lose your job in the NFL....
RE: There's zero chance  
Jersey55 : 10/13/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13645700 BlackLight said:
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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.

If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.

Coaches who lose the locker roman ultimately their players respect usually lose their jobs as well...
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