The Mara's pride themselves on this gentleman air and appearance, with professionalism and decorum and so on and so forth (except when they don't, but I digress). Getting embarrassed by the Broncos on prime time (likely the last SNF appearance of the year) this Sunday could be the straw that breaks the camel's back on McAdoo, knowing what we know about them. You know this DRC situation is far more deleterious to old Ben than he'll ever let on. I imagine this game is actually the make or break to whether we see a mid-season change.
Dumb clock management and awful play calling mean we're basically playing for a win coming from the final possession, and we keep getting it wrong.
Not getting blown out by Broncos on Sunday night should be considered a victory.
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
Please, please embarrass yourself McNuggets!! Please be confronted on the sideline and look like the absolute fool you are!!!!
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
Dissension is bound to happen on a team with high expectations that's losing games. I think the truest measure of the coach is the effort of the players. Considering that we could've easily won each of the past 3 weeks, effort doesn't seem to be the issue... yet.
All a blowout does is continue to make a case for big changes at the end of the year.
That's irrelevant on the defensive side of the ball and only marginally relevant with regards to the OL.
His father often said he knew it was time for a change when he saw apathy from the fans. Just wait until the last group of home games against the NFC East in December when that stadium is either half full or a generous percentage of Eagle/ Cowboy/ Redskins fans.
If the Giants sleepwalk through bad losses at home to end the year, against their division, which the stadium filled with opposing fans, then you will see McAdoo fired.
I was at the Minnesota game in 2015 when it was 2 degrees outside and they lost 49-10 in Week 16 after they were officially eliminated the night before and you knew what was going to happen two weeks later.
Odell had just been suspended. They had no offense and once the rout was on, it never stopped.
Score prediction: 54-6 if Denvers QB is 'on'.
32-3 if not.
Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.
Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.
And kicking TC to the curb is looking more and more like a genius decision.
But does it seem to anyone else that the Giants have had an absurdly low number of dominant wins over the last 5 years or so?
Like.. games where the other team is really just never in it.
Games like the Oakland game in 2009... Seattle in 2010.
There were a couple in 2012... that early season Panthers game. GB, New Orleans.
But since that season, I can barely think of ANY.
There may have been one against the Redskins in 2014, IIRC.. but I don't think we did it once in 2015 or 2016. Obviously not this year, either.
Not that blowouts are super common in the NFL today. It just seems like the Giants have an extremely low % of games in recent years where they play a complete game on both sides of the ball and really win convincingly.
Nearly every single win over the last 2-3 years has been a 1 score game or close.
You're Fired !!
No, I don't think a midseason blowout does anything.
This ^
Sometimes it's easier when you have nothing to lose
The Denver offense isn't fantastic, but 10 points should beat the Giants. Heck, three field goals may do it. Add in a strip sack for 6, and we're looking at losing 16-0 or 20-0, minimum.
More than that.
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.
Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.
Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.
There is a list a mile long of accurate short passer who have never been in a Super Bowl let alone win Two of them .
He will be donning a Yellow Jacket with a 1st ballot selection . But go ahead and try to blame the best QB the Giants have ever had .
The pass that he over threw in the endzone he barley had time to get that throw off and the DE had is left arm up in Eli'd face . We have seen several times this season where we caught breaks on over throws it happens to the best of them .
What could force a change would be behaviors of the players.
Otherwise I agree with the comment that the last games of the season could be the final straw for the owners.
Ten Ton Hammer : 3:25 pm : link : reply
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like when your not the most accurate QB in short range (and haven't been since debuting in 2004), perhaps relying heavily on quick slants is a recipe to get your WRs ankles broken.
Being accurate in short range isn't an optional skill for an NFL QB. It should be expected, and certainly expected when you're paying top end money.
Let's not act like he's got a laser for deep throws either. Even the TD Odell caught last week was behind him enough that he had to slow down and reach behind him for it. And that was after Eli had badly missed him long on at least two other attempts.
There is a list a mile long of accurate short passer who have never been in a Super Bowl let alone win Two of them .
He will be donning a Yellow Jacket with a 1st ballot selection . But go ahead and try to blame the best QB the Giants have ever had .
The pass that he over threw in the endzone he barley had time to get that throw off and the DE had is left arm up in Eli'd face . We have seen several times this season where we caught breaks on over throws it happens to the best of them .
He can be the best QB the giants have ever had and also thrown high passes since 2004 and also twice gotten Beckham injured on sky high throws in one season. It's not a mutually exclusive thing. You're not trying to argue that accuracy is one of his weaknesses, are you? Because that would be silly. As silly as even suggesting that being accurate on short throws is some kind of bonus skill that shouldn't necessarily be expected of a starting QB.
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
It also depends on how deep the hole goes. 0-5 is one thing. 0-11, 0-12 is a whole other beast.
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that McAdoo's job is on the line this Sunday.
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
It also depends on how deep the hole goes. 0-5 is one thing. 0-11, 0-12 is a whole other beast.
ok let's say we are 0-11. You change the coach with 5 games remaining? Why? Who gets the job? You are better off just taking your time to find the right guy after the season is over.
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
If it was just bad football, I could see him surviving to coach the team next season. But it's bad football plus lockerroom dissension, and that could be what kills him in the end. But nothing can plausibly happen this Sunday that would get him fired on Monday.
Coaches who lose the locker roman ultimately their players respect usually lose their jobs as well...