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| “I’ve not heard [the Jacksonville speculation], I’ve not felt it, not thinking about it,” Manning told Newsday on Thursday. “I don’t want to play anywhere else. I love this team, love this organization, and I want to be here.” Until the end of his career? “Sure,” he said. “Always. Yes. Yes. Yes.” |
Looking at some of the comments here I am starting to feel the same way.. Its the way I felt about Ewing.. and seeing how dumb giant fans feel about OBJ.. I am feeling the same way about him..
Eli can stay here as long as he wants as far as i'm concerned. And the Giants should definitely draft a hot shot first round QB if he's available in one of the next few drafts.
Giants need to be smart here. Actually, they just need to not be really fucking stupid and over think this. Just draft a kid and let the best man win the job. Nothing wrong with letting two high profile QBs co-exist. It's happens many times before. Don't let the media's insistence on drumming up non existent controversy dictate things. Take the QB. Let Eli and the young QBs battle and push each other. NOTHING is wrong with that.
If Steve Young and Montana can rip each other's throats out for 5-6 seasons and if Rodgers and Favre can implement a cold war for 5 of their own, Eli and a young QB can too. There is no other way to go here. If the QB is there in April the Giants have to take him.
Hell - even if they did go with a QB high - they'd still have a draft pick high in each round and some cap space to deal with, they could get it turned around quickly with the right people in charge. Only question is, who are those people?
Eli can stay here as long as he wants as far as i'm concerned. And the Giants should definitely draft a hot shot first round QB if he's available in one of the next few drafts.
Giants need to be smart here. Actually, they just need to not be really fucking stupid and over think this. Just draft a kid and let the best man win the job. Nothing wrong with letting two high profile QBs co-exist. It's happens many times before. Don't let the media's insistence on drumming up non existent controversy dictate things. Take the QB. Let Eli and the young QBs battle and push each other. NOTHING is wrong with that.
If Steve Young and Montana can rip each other's throats out for 5-6 seasons and if Rodgers and Favre can implement a cold war for 5 of their own, Eli and a young QB can too. There is no other way to go here. If the QB is there in April the Giants have to take him.
Agree 1000% , Eli has earned his keep here. No fan should be allowed to question the guys desire to play as a NY Giant for the rest of his career. He is a major part as to why the Giants now have 2 additional superbowls
2!!!
Fans need to really take a long look in the mirror and re-evaluate what type of fan are you. Are you the appreciative die hard who is objective and can open their eyes and see the struggle in this league and what Eli did is pretty remarkable and just enjoy the ride
Or are you the fair weather type who needs the Giants to win every Sunday to a degree of perfection so that you can go along in your life much happier with yourself but when things turn sour your immediately turn to overly critical beliefs that you know better and need immediate drastic change.
I honestly feel BBI is littered with the former.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
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But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
And don't forget other "franchise QB's", and now perennially All-Pro's like Josh Freeman (the next big thing), Butt Fumble Sanchez, Matt Leinert, J'Marcus Russel, and the list goes on and on. All these guys were drafted in Rd 1 since Eli started.
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But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today.
Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space.
I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year.
Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.
Even if he sticks around for 2 more years, what better a start to a career could you ask for than being able to stick around on the bench learning from Eli? Before the salary cap made it untenable, QBs used to have to sit for a couple of years and learn the game before they got their chance. Anyone you draft will have a 5 year contract (well, 4+option), so it's not like they're going anywhere. Might as well take advantage for this shitty season for whatever upside we can get out of it.
Or he gets his back broken by the Bronco's.
It's gonna be an ugly last couple years, Eli. Good luck.
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This + 1X10^26
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But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today.
Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space.
I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year.
Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.
Cam Newton isn't as good as you like you paint him to be. And Eli is Flacco level right now? Even more amusing.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
I wonder how those guys would perform behind the shit show line Eli has protecting him. It's a joke!!
Let the 2 kids battle it out in camp and preseason. Play Eli as long as effective through 18.
Make the change for 2019 no matter what.
Yes, he did quit in that Superbowl, and no, I wouldn't want him on my team, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better QB as of today than Eli Manning.
I do believe Eli is a better QB than Flacco, but like Eli has done twice in the playoffs, he elevated his game to an incredible level in 2012 and won his team a superbowl. Much like the Giants now, their team around him is garbage because they both make money that hurts the rest of the team.
There are QBs that can win in spite of a terrible offensive line play or bad skill position players (Rodgers, Wilson), but Flacco and Eli are not among that group. This team needs resources to fix the offensive line. Having a rookie QB making 1/5th of what Eli is making would certainly make that a lot easier.
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I wouldn't want him in this team over Geno Smith.
Yes, he did quit in that Superbowl, and no, I wouldn't want him on my team, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better QB as of today than Eli Manning.
I do believe Eli is a better QB than Flacco, but like Eli has done twice in the playoffs, he elevated his game to an incredible level in 2012 and won his team a superbowl. Much like the Giants now, their team around him is garbage because they both make money that hurts the rest of the team.
There are QBs that can win in spite of a terrible offensive line play or bad skill position players (Rodgers, Wilson), but Flacco and Eli are not among that group. This team needs resources to fix the offensive line. Having a rookie QB making 1/5th of what Eli is making would certainly make that a lot easier.
Why do you think this, fantasy aside. Cam was terrible last night.
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I wouldn't want him in this team over Geno Smith.
Yes, he did quit in that Superbowl, and no, I wouldn't want him on my team, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better QB as of today than Eli Manning.
I do believe Eli is a better QB than Flacco, but like Eli has done twice in the playoffs, he elevated his game to an incredible level in 2012 and won his team a superbowl. Much like the Giants now, their team around him is garbage because they both make money that hurts the rest of the team.
There are QBs that can win in spite of a terrible offensive line play or bad skill position players (Rodgers, Wilson), but Flacco and Eli are not among that group. This team needs resources to fix the offensive line. Having a rookie QB making 1/5th of what Eli is making would certainly make that a lot easier.
Why do you think this, fantasy aside. Cam was terrible last night.
Who cares what he was in one game last night. Eli threw multiple interceptions against the Eagles too. Aside from the superbowl hangover year last year, the Panthers have been excellent with Cam Newton over the last 4 or so years. Here is a list of his receivers in the 15-1 MVP superbowl season in 2015: Kelvin Benjamin, Ted Ginn, Jr., Devin Funchess, Stephen Hill, Kevin Norwood, Jerricho Cotchery, Avius Capers.
Either that or this OL is going to have to be built up into one of the league's best to actually protect him.
For all that Eli brings to the table, and it's a lot, he simply can't hold up long term under consistent pressure. Few QBs can, but Eli especially cannot.
It's gonna be an ugly last couple years, Eli. Good luck.
You can include Archie and Peyton in that sentiment also. If I was Archie I would have had a come to Jesus meeting with Mara and the Empty Suit demanding they wise up and correct this shit many seasons ago.
Agree...one has nothing to do with the other. Eli is an asset that is near the end of his life cycle as an NFL QB. The smart business decision is to start taking a serious look at his replacement. That does not mean drafting another backup in the 3rd round.
Yes, being overpaid for life is great thing
Only thing to say: Good.
All the BBI chatter about trades and him ending it somewhere else, Jacksonville, etc. ... I've glossed right over. Would hurt to see that. I'd like Eli to end his career as a Giant - only a Giant.
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as to why Eli is just a great ambassador for the team. New players in the league should watch Eli and learn how to conduct themselves.
Yes, being overpaid for life is great thing
one has nothing to do with the other. There are plenty of over-paid players who are also assholes
If there is a potential franchise QB on the board, you take the QB..
Disclaimer : But not the Cowboys, Redskins or Eagles.
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I wouldn't want him in this team over Geno Smith.
Yes, he did quit in that Superbowl, and no, I wouldn't want him on my team, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better QB as of today than Eli Manning.
I do believe Eli is a better QB than Flacco, but like Eli has done twice in the playoffs, he elevated his game to an incredible level in 2012 and won his team a superbowl. Much like the Giants now, their team around him is garbage because they both make money that hurts the rest of the team.
There are QBs that can win in spite of a terrible offensive line play or bad skill position players (Rodgers, Wilson), but Flacco and Eli are not among that group. This team needs resources to fix the offensive line. Having a rookie QB making 1/5th of what Eli is making would certainly make that a lot easier.
Why do you think this, fantasy aside. Cam was terrible last night.
Who cares what he was in one game last night. Eli threw multiple interceptions against the Eagles too. Aside from the superbowl hangover year last year, the Panthers have been excellent with Cam Newton over the last 4 or so years. Here is a list of his receivers in the 15-1 MVP superbowl season in 2015: Kelvin Benjamin, Ted Ginn, Jr., Devin Funchess, Stephen Hill, Kevin Norwood, Jerricho Cotchery, Avius Capers.
Cam Newton might have the better physical skill set but he doesn't have the mind or the leadership qualities. IMO those 2 attributes overshadow the physical part. Also Eli has the pedigree to win in clutch situations Cam has yet to show that.
Bottom line , Yes if the Giants have the opportunity to draft a perennial franchise QB they should do just that. No reason not to expect that both a high profile prospect QB and a aging pro bowler can co-exist together. In face I expect Eli to be a incredible mentor and accept that role.
However neither will succeed without a durable offensive line.
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Cam Newton might have the better physical skill set but he doesn't have the mind or the leadership qualities. IMO those 2 attributes overshadow the physical part. Also Eli has the pedigree to win in clutch situations Cam has yet to show that.
Bottom line , Yes if the Giants have the opportunity to draft a perennial franchise QB they should do just that. No reason not to expect that both a high profile prospect QB and a aging pro bowler can co-exist together. In face I expect Eli to be a incredible mentor and accept that role.
However neither will succeed without a durable offensive line.
And that is why you don't pay Eli 22.2M to be a "mentor"!
If the decision is made to draft a franchise QB, then you have to get an OL in front of him or Webb....if Eli is traded, that makes 16M available for free agency in the OL....You CAN NOT rebuild an OL, draft a franchise qb, and keep Eli at the same time.....that would definitely delay the rebuild....You have to hope that there is a team out there, looking for a qb, that has a good OL and running attack, and the only missing ingredient is a clutch QB.....I can picture another Manning playing for Denver...
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This. Except for the last sentence.
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But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today.
Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space.
I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year.
Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.
That's besides the point. The point is Cam is playing better than Eli right now.
If he took a below-market contract he'd have the moral authority to be outraged if they didn't use the savings to build a great OL. Where he's getting paid he doesn't have that right.
That's a pretty aggressive stance. All Boomer did was connect the dots - the Jags are having a pretty nice season so far and have a gaping hole at QB. The Giants are having an awful season and have an asset at QB. If the Giants are looking to acquire draft picks for a rebuild, Eli presents a lot of value, especially when there is a team that is contending for their division in need of a QB that also happens to have a connection with Eli.
It wasn't like he tried to hurt your feelings. Grow up.
What exactly are you trying to say? The money "in the drawer" is cap space, champ. Every NFL team is flush with cash.
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But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL.
It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point.
Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like
Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flaco
RG3
Cam Newton
Nick Foles
First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today.
Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space.
I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year.
Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.
This is a very good post. I understand that there is a lot of sentiment and nostalgia attached to Eli, but the reality is, he represents way more of the cap than necessary given what he's contributing (and even if that's a byproduct of the lack of talent around him, the fact is, if he's getting paid enough money that it precludes surrounding him with the proper talent, that's a problem).
I love Eli and always will. But unfortunately, it's very difficult for the end of careers in sports to go smoothly. And Eli's salary is making it tough to surround him with the team he needs to win. And it's making it tough to give him the success he deserves to finish his career. IMO, it's a win/win if we were able to trade him to a contender, especially Jacksonville, where he'd be reunited with TC for a potential run in the AFC.