Eli Manning wants to be a Giant for life

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In comment 13646891 EricJ said: Quote: as to why Eli is just a great ambassador for the team. New players in the league should watch Eli and learn how to conduct themselves. Yes, being overpaid for life is great thing

one has nothing to do with the other. There are plenty of over-paid players who are also assholes

If we have a high draft pick next year, do you take OL help or pick the next franchise QB? I think I go with the OL. Depending on who's in our FO and coaching. You build the OL the next couple of years around your established QB. You develop Webb and continue to look for a Franchise QB in future drafts. But putting any QB behind a shite line will get the QB killed no matter how talented the QB. So if they get darnold and still have a horrible line he turns into a Carr and your franchise QB hunt begins again. Build around the trenches.....

In comment 13646949 Dinger said:

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If we have a high draft pick next year, do you take OL help or pick the next franchise QB? I think I go with the OL. Depending on who's in our FO and coaching. You build the OL the next couple of years around your established QB. You develop Webb and continue to look for a Franchise QB in future drafts. But putting any QB behind a shite line will get the QB killed no matter how talented the QB. So if they get darnold and still have a horrible line he turns into a Carr and your franchise QB hunt begins again. Build around the trenches.....

If there is a potential franchise QB on the board, you take the QB..

If Eli agreed to a trade to another team , I would instantly become a fan of that team also.

Disclaimer : But not the Cowboys, Redskins or Eagles.

In comment 13646883 NYG07 said:

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In comment 13646845 PatersonPlank said: Quote: In comment 13646843 NYG07 said: Quote: In comment 13646807 Go Terps said: Quote: I wouldn't want him in this team over Geno Smith. Yes, he did quit in that Superbowl, and no, I wouldn't want him on my team, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a better QB as of today than Eli Manning. I do believe Eli is a better QB than Flacco, but like Eli has done twice in the playoffs, he elevated his game to an incredible level in 2012 and won his team a superbowl. Much like the Giants now, their team around him is garbage because they both make money that hurts the rest of the team. There are QBs that can win in spite of a terrible offensive line play or bad skill position players (Rodgers, Wilson), but Flacco and Eli are not among that group. This team needs resources to fix the offensive line. Having a rookie QB making 1/5th of what Eli is making would certainly make that a lot easier. Why do you think this, fantasy aside. Cam was terrible last night. Who cares what he was in one game last night. Eli threw multiple interceptions against the Eagles too. Aside from the superbowl hangover year last year, the Panthers have been excellent with Cam Newton over the last 4 or so years. Here is a list of his receivers in the 15-1 MVP superbowl season in 2015: Kelvin Benjamin, Ted Ginn, Jr., Devin Funchess, Stephen Hill, Kevin Norwood, Jerricho Cotchery, Avius Capers.

Cam Newton might have the better physical skill set but he doesn't have the mind or the leadership qualities. IMO those 2 attributes overshadow the physical part. Also Eli has the pedigree to win in clutch situations Cam has yet to show that.

Bottom line , Yes if the Giants have the opportunity to draft a perennial franchise QB they should do just that. No reason not to expect that both a high profile prospect QB and a aging pro bowler can co-exist together. In face I expect Eli to be a incredible mentor and accept that role.

However neither will succeed without a durable offensive line.

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Cam Newton might have the better physical skill set but he doesn't have the mind or the leadership qualities. IMO those 2 attributes overshadow the physical part. Also Eli has the pedigree to win in clutch situations Cam has yet to show that.

Bottom line , Yes if the Giants have the opportunity to draft a perennial franchise QB they should do just that. No reason not to expect that both a high profile prospect QB and a aging pro bowler can co-exist together. In face I expect Eli to be a incredible mentor and accept that role.

However neither will succeed without a durable offensive line.


And that is why you don't pay Eli 22.2M to be a "mentor"!

If the decision is made to draft a franchise QB, then you have to get an OL in front of him or Webb....if Eli is traded, that makes 16M available for free agency in the OL....You CAN NOT rebuild an OL, draft a franchise qb, and keep Eli at the same time.....that would definitely delay the rebuild....You have to hope that there is a team out there, looking for a qb, that has a good OL and running attack, and the only missing ingredient is a clutch QB.....I can picture another Manning playing for Denver...

...want to make $20M a year while playing like shit.

for him, but 2018 is likely his last year with the Giants. If he wants to continue playing after that, it will likely have to be with another team. He is unquestionably the best QB in Giants history.

In comment 13646680 NYG07 said:

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In comment 13646660 Rory said: Quote: This. Except for the last sentence. In comment 13646638 NYG07 said: Quote: But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL. It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point. Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like Colin Kaepernick Joe Flaco RG3 Cam Newton Nick Foles First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today. Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space. I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year. Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.

In comment 13646807 Go Terps said:

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I wouldn't want him in this team over Geno Smith.

That's besides the point. The point is Cam is playing better than Eli right now.

He never let us down, we let him down. Give him a decent OL for protection and a decent running game he would have won a couple of more SBs, The front office here was a shit show, because of PC pressure to keep the incompetent Reese and owner Mara selecting players in the draft and FA. MO

now, He is tough and smart. Fire Reese and his know nothing crew and tell Mara to butt TF out of personnel decisions. Get new blood into the scouting department. That will be a start in the right direction. MO

Look, I love Eli, but the idea of him being indignant or upset about not having an O-Line is absurd when he's taking up so much of our cap. He's doing what's best for him and his family, and the organization is trying to do their best with what's left over.

If he took a below-market contract he'd have the moral authority to be outraged if they didn't use the savings to build a great OL. Where he's getting paid he doesn't have that right.

In comment 13646537 GMAN4LIFE said:

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and as always FUCK BOOMER!

That's a pretty aggressive stance. All Boomer did was connect the dots - the Jags are having a pretty nice season so far and have a gaping hole at QB. The Giants are having an awful season and have an asset at QB. If the Giants are looking to acquire draft picks for a rebuild, Eli presents a lot of value, especially when there is a team that is contending for their division in need of a QB that also happens to have a connection with Eli.

It wasn't like he tried to hurt your feelings. Grow up.

In comment 13646598 HomerJones45 said:

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have another quarter billion in the drawer, it's going to take a while. Jerry's "add two, lose two" style of player pipeline isn't going to replenish anything quickly, and that assumes his position blind spots are shored up and that McAdoo is not damaged goods at this point.

What exactly are you trying to say? The money "in the drawer" is cap space, champ. Every NFL team is flush with cash.

In comment 13646680 NYG07 said:

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In comment 13646660 Rory said: Quote: In comment 13646638 NYG07 said: Quote: But it is time to move on. Look at the Carson Wentz/Dak Prescott/Jared Goff/Deshaun Watsons of the NFL. Young QBs are coming into the NFL with minimal salaries and lighting up the NFL. It is a catch 22 because Eli deserves better, and the Giants do too. It is like pulling teeth to even score 20 points a game at this point. Yea and we said the same thing 4 years ago about guys like Colin Kaepernick Joe Flaco RG3 Cam Newton Nick Foles First off, why are you including Cam Newton in that list? The guy won MVP and went to a superbowl 2 years ago and is absolutely better than Eli as of today. Joe Flacco is in the same position as Eli. A great organization that cannot build a complete team because the QB who is good but not great eats up way too much of the cap space. I think we can all agree that the guys I mentioned are way better passers than RG3. I don't blame you guys for trying to cling to our franchise QB, but what good is it going to do? We as fans deserve a winner. Last year was an outlier to years of garbage teams and to be honest, Eli was not good at all last year. Why can't we wipe the slate clean and start over? In what world does Eli at this point deserve $20MM a year? This team has the unique opportunity to lose and lose and get the next great QB and that is exactly what this team should do.

This is a very good post. I understand that there is a lot of sentiment and nostalgia attached to Eli, but the reality is, he represents way more of the cap than necessary given what he's contributing (and even if that's a byproduct of the lack of talent around him, the fact is, if he's getting paid enough money that it precludes surrounding him with the proper talent, that's a problem).

I love Eli and always will. But unfortunately, it's very difficult for the end of careers in sports to go smoothly. And Eli's salary is making it tough to surround him with the team he needs to win. And it's making it tough to give him the success he deserves to finish his career. IMO, it's a win/win if we were able to trade him to a contender, especially Jacksonville, where he'd be reunited with TC for a potential run in the AFC.

with someone like Gettleman, and let them evaluate this whole mess. Get rid of the dead wood as soon as possible and move on. Turn arounds in this league are doable much quicker now than in the past. But you need the right FOOTBALL people making the calls. MO