who is an attorney has thought this should be the outcome all allng.
Im not going to bother getting into what I think because none of us are changing our minds in this. The people with the pitchforks out hate UNC and the ones who like UNC feel this is the right outcome. There are exceptions to that but we all have a bias for the most part and arent going to change our opinions.
They may not have received sanctions, but dragging this out as long as they have absolutely did punish UNC. They have been negatively receuited against for years and havent receuited anywhere near as well as they would have without this cloud hanging ovet yhe program. I think the NCAA waited as long as they did because they knew ounishig them would never have stood up in court and they had a lot to lose if this went to court, and UNC was ready to fight any sanctions as long as they needed to. They werent going to take their punishment and move on, and as a result I believe they dragged it out to punish them that way. Anyone who doesnt think having a black cloud hanging over your program for years isnt a punishment is fooling themselves. There are a number of players who didnt go to UNC because of the investigation.
Lol poor NC, they've been punished because they cheated and the investigation took too long.
If this involved Kentucky and Cal, you'd be one holding a pitch fork.
To be fair, I'd be ecstatic with the decision if it was Kentucky though.
Right? Clear academic fraud. I'd say they got away with it and are pretty fuckin lucky.
I understand the perception and agree that Duke has superior resources. But I was on the faculty at Duke for many years and from my point of view the gap between an undergraduate education there versus at NC Central, at least in equivalent programs and courses, is not very wide or even real.
The courses were clearly designed with student athletes in mind
That is true about most research universities. Grad students come first. Research Universities are GREAT places to go to grad school. When it comes to undergrad you are likely to get a superior education and all that entails (individualized attention, high faculty to student ratio, accountability, professors who teach their classes and are accessible, etc.).
I couldn't care less which specific school got away with this.
But if the NCAA "student athlete" concept was not already a joke it certainly is now. This is transparently ridiculous and completely inexcusable by any standard. Students and coaches at other schools have every right to be furious at this pretence of judgement.
RE: How anybody can feel any sense of pride in some these sleazy programs
Because (right or wrong) none of this really matters. Those UNC kids won the national title. The games were played on the court, and unless someone is saying the refs were paid off, the games themselves were fair and square. Most people who follow these programs only care about the games, they don't care how the sausage gets made.
UNC alum might be a little different than the average fan, but again, does this really matter? We've seen Penn State people still defend their school, so the same thing will happen here. Are any alumni negatively affected by this scandal? Companies are still hiring people with UNC degrees, so it looks like no impact there. It's really just some bad press that'll blow over.
Lots of other ACC schools have their own issues too, Louisville, Miami and Syracuse have been in the news. Even my beloved ND got sanctioned because a tutor did homework for some players (even though ND found this out on their own and immediately suspended the players).
At the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Do we think that Duke, Kansas or Kentucky are really running "cleaner" programs than UNC? Maybe ND and UVA are recruiting "real" student athletes rather than NBA prep one and dones, and that's more fun to root for IMO, but it doesn't mean that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a kid playing ball for a year or two and going into the draft.
I guess my point wasn't that UNC is sleazier than others (though they may very well be). My point was that I cannot imagine getting all that enthused about a bunch of non-students playing "college" sports. If they aren't actually student/athletes what is the attraction?
That's not to say that nobody playing DI hoops/football isn't an actual student, but they surely are in the minority...especially at the factories like UNC.
I guess my point wasn't that UNC is sleazier than others (though they may very well be). My point was that I cannot imagine getting all that enthused about a bunch of non-students playing "college" sports. If they aren't actually student/athletes what is the attraction?
Isn't the attraction that they're playing a sport one finds enjoyable watching? And they're doing it it in the uniform of a place one feels some connection to? Wearing the uniform of my school, even if they're not really students, is at least as much of a connection as wearing the uniform of the city I live in. Sure, I'd like the school I root for to do things legitimately and have kids going to class and genuinely trying to be students, but ultimately, I just like watching them play basketball.
NC State freshman Braxton Beverlys request for immediate eligibility has been denied, school told ESPN. School will appeal decision.
8:32 AM - 13 Oct 2017
Beverly had enrolled at Ohio State and started summer school classes when Thad Motta was fired. OSU released him from his commitment, he moved on to NC State, yet despite the fact that his actual freshman year hadn't even started he's told that he's a transfer and has to sit out a year. Shit, I'd suit him up anyway - the NCAA has now admitted that they are a sham with no actual authority.
pretty much did is leave nobody responsible for fraud.
The NCAA didn't sanction them for an athletic violation, and they have not been sanctioned by an organized body from an academic standpoint. So basically, what is the downside of doing this all over the place?
Put it this way - the NCAA can suspend a player for having a GPA below 2.0 in legitimate classes, but has no power to do anything about a student getting a 4.0 in a class that doesn't exist? As long as Academics play a role in eligibility, it most certainly should be sanctionable by the NCAA.
Put a UNC player on a poster selling hot dogs for charity and he could get suspended. The double-standard here is laughable and any athlete that gets suspended for academic reasons should escalate the matter and point to the UNC case as a precedent.
RE: RE: How anybody can feel any sense of pride in some these sleazy programs
Because (right or wrong) none of this really matters. Those UNC kids won the national title. The games were played on the court, and unless someone is saying the refs were paid off, the games themselves were fair and square. Most people who follow these programs only care about the games, they don't care how the sausage gets made.
UNC alum might be a little different than the average fan, but again, does this really matter? We've seen Penn State people still defend their school, so the same thing will happen here. Are any alumni negatively affected by this scandal? Companies are still hiring people with UNC degrees, so it looks like no impact there. It's really just some bad press that'll blow over.
Lots of other ACC schools have their own issues too, Louisville, Miami and Syracuse have been in the news. Even my beloved ND got sanctioned because a tutor did homework for some players (even though ND found this out on their own and immediately suspended the players).
At the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Do we think that Duke, Kansas or Kentucky are really running "cleaner" programs than UNC? Maybe ND and UVA are recruiting "real" student athletes rather than NBA prep one and dones, and that's more fun to root for IMO, but it doesn't mean that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a kid playing ball for a year or two and going into the draft.
Wrong. If these "classes" helped these players maintain eligibility - which they undoubtedly did otherwise why the hell would they take them - then they most definitely didn't belong on the court or practicing with the team. Therefore, no championships should be without that asterisk. This isn't difficult to understand. Unless you're a tarheel fan I guess.
Sorry but taking fake classes should lead to something as an institution of higher learning. No penalty just means others will do the same down the road and they now have precedence with this ruling.
The NCAA has lost any credibility they had with this ruling. Shame on them and shame on the University of North Carolina
Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
When they're defending themselves to the accreditation boards, then they call it an athletic scandal. When they talk to the NCAA, it's an academic scandal.
The finding was that everyone was allowed to cheat, not just the athletes, proving, of course, that unlike most major college programs, UNC does not show any favoritism to its athletes. I think that they should become the model as we continue to lower the ethical bar by which college athletic programs are judged.
Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
Bingo. More than the NCAA probe,th is should have prompted a deeper I investigation from accrediting bodies. If they aren't accredited, there is no NCAA program either. This isn't an isolated incident of cheating, covering for a single student, etc. This is decades of creating and programming bogus classes that non-athletes also "benefitted" from. It should call into question UNC degrees for 40 years.
When they're defending themselves to the accreditation boards, then they call it an athletic scandal. When they talk to the NCAA, it's an academic scandal.
When UNC was up for possible academic sanctions, they claimed it was an athletic matter. When UNC came before the NCAA, they claimed it was an academic issue. And somehow, neither side acted as if they had jurisdiction.
Sadly, UNC didn't internally punish anyone but an adjunct professor and didn't self-impose penalties, which really should call into question the whole idea they are an institution of higher learning.
The cover-up and existence of the classes spanned a decade and a half and in the end - there were minor repurcussions for one person.
How can that not only be allowed to happen, but how can UNC in good conscious not do more?
Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
Bingo. More than the NCAA probe,th is should have prompted a deeper I investigation from accrediting bodies. If they aren't accredited, there is no NCAA program either. This isn't an isolated incident of cheating, covering for a single student, etc. This is decades of creating and programming bogus classes that non-athletes also "benefitted" from. It should call into question UNC degrees for 40 years.
The Southern Association Conference, the accrediting body they go before put them on probation.
And, I have no problem with people being outraged, because it was outrageous. But that still doesn't change that this was an academic scandal and not an athletic scandal. It was true that ACADEMIC counselors who do not report to the Atheltic Department and not overseen by them told athletes about these courses, but they also told other students.
The finding was that everyone was allowed to cheat, not just the athletes, proving, of course, that unlike most major college programs, UNC does not show any favoritism to its athletes. I think that they should become the model as we continue to lower the ethical bar by which college athletic programs are judged.
Pretend you were Roy Williams and you have had your named dragged through the mud for 3+ years by these virtue signalers in the press who fall all over themselves kissing the asses of that rat coach K, calipari, and others, when there was not a shred of evidence Roy knew; in fact, there was evidence that when Roy got suspicious he tried to stop it.
Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
Bingo. More than the NCAA probe,th is should have prompted a deeper I investigation from accrediting bodies. If they aren't accredited, there is no NCAA program either. This isn't an isolated incident of cheating, covering for a single student, etc. This is decades of creating and programming bogus classes that non-athletes also "benefitted" from. It should call into question UNC degrees for 40 years.
The Southern Association Conference, the accrediting body they go before put them on probation.
And, I have no problem with people being outraged, because it was outrageous. But that still doesn't change that this was an academic scandal and not an athletic scandal. It was true that ACADEMIC counselors who do not report to the Atheltic Department and not overseen by them told athletes about these courses, but they also told other students.
I feel like you don't even believe yourself what you are saying. Simple question, who do you think these bogus classes were developed for? Regular students or athletes?
I guess schools can cheat anyway they want now, as long as they include regular students in the cheating. All inclusive baby! Now, a school can give athletes bogus grades as long as they give Billy Smith in the engineering program a boost to his grades! Everyone's happy!
RE: RE: RE: I've always been a UNC fan, but this is bullshit.
than no punishment at all, putting them on probation was the next level of punishment:
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The Southern Association Conference, the accrediting body they go before put them on probation
All the probation means for them from an academic standpoint is if they have another violation in 24 months, then they can be sanctioned (but it still isn't mandatory then).
So exactly what punishment did the probation give them? Did it limit who they can enroll? Did it punish any administrators? Did it knock them down a level in the way they are academically rated?
To help you out, the answer is no to all of those.
But the continued use of the term virtue signalers is amusing to say the least.
on this issue who, at the same time worship K (Dookie V and the Yahoo sports Department, Calipari (andy Katz and Jeff Goodman), Sean Miller, I could go on and on
virtue signaling
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the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
about what basically amounted to hypocrisy. College athletics is a cesspool, and people who are truly worried about education have every right to be outraged about this scandal at UNC. But, these columnists who couldnt push each other out of the way to describe the shortcomings of UNC have no issue defending Calipari and Coach K whose students sometimes get a total of 12 credits their freshman year (they dont even bother finishing the spring semester). They were also pretty light on Pitino before the pay scandal, given that he had impregnated a woman, had his assistant marry her and had another assistant provide hookers. The hypocrisy is off the wall. So, I get back to Roy, I feel the media went over the top to pin this entire scandal on his doorstep, when in actuality the evidence was not there as to him. The entire Yahoo sports Department (Parish, Wetzel, Wilkes) made it their mission to drag his name through the mud. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
The hypocrisy is comical. Just not in the way you're pointing out. All of the schools you mentioned are the "blue bloods", the protected angels of the NCAA. UNC, Kentucky, Duke. That is the issue here for many.
The NCAA sure didn't mind throwing the gauntlet down on programs such as Syracuse and UCONN though, did they? THAT is the hypocrisy of it all.
The hypocrisy is comical. Just not in the way you're pointing out. All of the schools you mentioned are the "blue bloods", the protected angels of the NCAA. UNC, Kentucky, Duke. That is the issue here for many.
The NCAA sure didn't mind throwing the gauntlet down on programs such as Syracuse and UCONN though, did they? THAT is the hypocrisy of it all.
That is fine, but to say UNC has been protected during the scandal because of the end result is simply misleading. The bottom line is the NCAA did not have a case and they knew it, but because they felt the need to punish UNC and hope they would settle if pressured and harassed, they dragged this out and kept amending the NOA (especially from NOA2 where they basically acknowledged that they had nothing to NOA3 when they looked like they were going to hammer them). The NCAA had no case, they have known it for some time, that is why UNC got off, not because they are protected.
Ok, now you're just being willfully obtuse. Congratulations on cheering for a scumbag program that the entire world knows cheated and got away with it.
at the differences between SU being under investigation for several years and UNC.
SU self imposed sanctions, the NCAA only had minimal violations and not only gave them a postseason ban and took away scholarships, they stripped Boeheim of something like 100 wins. This was on top of what SU already imposed.
Meanwhile, a UNC scandal drags on for several years, the school not only doesn't impose self-penalties, they hire a legal team to debunk the accusations and lo and behold, they lose nothing. Nada.
it's pretty clear they didn't have a case. The NCAA admitted as much yesterday.
UNC isn't innocent here, but the NCAA knew they had no chance of winning in court. The idea that they didn't punish them because they make the NCAA money is bullshit. They didn't punish them because they knew they would lose in court and cost themselves a lot of money in the process.
I truly believe the NCAA really wanted to penalize UNC (and perhaps rightfully so) but they knew they couldn't actually do it because they would get destroyed in court so they dragged it out as long as they could and punished them that way. Not the same as actually penalizing them with scholarships and bowl/tournament ban, but really the only option they had when they knew according to their own bylaws they couldn't do anything legally.
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who is an attorney has thought this should be the outcome all allng.
Im not going to bother getting into what I think because none of us are changing our minds in this. The people with the pitchforks out hate UNC and the ones who like UNC feel this is the right outcome. There are exceptions to that but we all have a bias for the most part and arent going to change our opinions.
They may not have received sanctions, but dragging this out as long as they have absolutely did punish UNC. They have been negatively receuited against for years and havent receuited anywhere near as well as they would have without this cloud hanging ovet yhe program. I think the NCAA waited as long as they did because they knew ounishig them would never have stood up in court and they had a lot to lose if this went to court, and UNC was ready to fight any sanctions as long as they needed to. They werent going to take their punishment and move on, and as a result I believe they dragged it out to punish them that way. Anyone who doesnt think having a black cloud hanging over your program for years isnt a punishment is fooling themselves. There are a number of players who didnt go to UNC because of the investigation.
Lol poor NC, they've been punished because they cheated and the investigation took too long.
If this involved Kentucky and Cal, you'd be one holding a pitch fork.
To be fair, I'd be ecstatic with the decision if it was Kentucky though.
Right? Clear academic fraud. I'd say they got away with it and are pretty fuckin lucky.
Opening the courses to general population was an obvious cover, like John Gottis plumbing supply business
Don't get me wrong, this is still a black mark on UNC and their conduct here was despicable, but the NCAA's incompetence is stunning here as well.
But if the NCAA "student athlete" concept was not already a joke it certainly is now. This is transparently ridiculous and completely inexcusable by any standard. Students and coaches at other schools have every right to be furious at this pretence of judgement.
Because my school is better than your school...and my dad can beat up your dad!
Because (right or wrong) none of this really matters. Those UNC kids won the national title. The games were played on the court, and unless someone is saying the refs were paid off, the games themselves were fair and square. Most people who follow these programs only care about the games, they don't care how the sausage gets made.
UNC alum might be a little different than the average fan, but again, does this really matter? We've seen Penn State people still defend their school, so the same thing will happen here. Are any alumni negatively affected by this scandal? Companies are still hiring people with UNC degrees, so it looks like no impact there. It's really just some bad press that'll blow over.
Lots of other ACC schools have their own issues too, Louisville, Miami and Syracuse have been in the news. Even my beloved ND got sanctioned because a tutor did homework for some players (even though ND found this out on their own and immediately suspended the players).
At the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Do we think that Duke, Kansas or Kentucky are really running "cleaner" programs than UNC? Maybe ND and UVA are recruiting "real" student athletes rather than NBA prep one and dones, and that's more fun to root for IMO, but it doesn't mean that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a kid playing ball for a year or two and going into the draft.
That's not to say that nobody playing DI hoops/football isn't an actual student, but they surely are in the minority...especially at the factories like UNC.
Yuck.
Isn't the attraction that they're playing a sport one finds enjoyable watching? And they're doing it it in the uniform of a place one feels some connection to? Wearing the uniform of my school, even if they're not really students, is at least as much of a connection as wearing the uniform of the city I live in. Sure, I'd like the school I root for to do things legitimately and have kids going to class and genuinely trying to be students, but ultimately, I just like watching them play basketball.
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NC State freshman Braxton Beverlys request for immediate eligibility has been denied, school told ESPN. School will appeal decision.
8:32 AM - 13 Oct 2017
Beverly had enrolled at Ohio State and started summer school classes when Thad Motta was fired. OSU released him from his commitment, he moved on to NC State, yet despite the fact that his actual freshman year hadn't even started he's told that he's a transfer and has to sit out a year. Shit, I'd suit him up anyway - the NCAA has now admitted that they are a sham with no actual authority.
Just change his name to Daxton Deverly!
The NCAA didn't sanction them for an athletic violation, and they have not been sanctioned by an organized body from an academic standpoint. So basically, what is the downside of doing this all over the place?
Put it this way - the NCAA can suspend a player for having a GPA below 2.0 in legitimate classes, but has no power to do anything about a student getting a 4.0 in a class that doesn't exist? As long as Academics play a role in eligibility, it most certainly should be sanctionable by the NCAA.
Put a UNC player on a poster selling hot dogs for charity and he could get suspended. The double-standard here is laughable and any athlete that gets suspended for academic reasons should escalate the matter and point to the UNC case as a precedent.
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...is beyond me.
Because (right or wrong) none of this really matters. Those UNC kids won the national title. The games were played on the court, and unless someone is saying the refs were paid off, the games themselves were fair and square. Most people who follow these programs only care about the games, they don't care how the sausage gets made.
UNC alum might be a little different than the average fan, but again, does this really matter? We've seen Penn State people still defend their school, so the same thing will happen here. Are any alumni negatively affected by this scandal? Companies are still hiring people with UNC degrees, so it looks like no impact there. It's really just some bad press that'll blow over.
Lots of other ACC schools have their own issues too, Louisville, Miami and Syracuse have been in the news. Even my beloved ND got sanctioned because a tutor did homework for some players (even though ND found this out on their own and immediately suspended the players).
At the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Do we think that Duke, Kansas or Kentucky are really running "cleaner" programs than UNC? Maybe ND and UVA are recruiting "real" student athletes rather than NBA prep one and dones, and that's more fun to root for IMO, but it doesn't mean that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a kid playing ball for a year or two and going into the draft.
Wrong. If these "classes" helped these players maintain eligibility - which they undoubtedly did otherwise why the hell would they take them - then they most definitely didn't belong on the court or practicing with the team. Therefore, no championships should be without that asterisk. This isn't difficult to understand. Unless you're a tarheel fan I guess.
The NCAA has lost any credibility they had with this ruling. Shame on them and shame on the University of North Carolina
Way to bring your political agenda to a completely unrelated thread you clown
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How others can't see that amazes me, but people voted for Trump too, so there's that.
Way to bring your political agenda to a completely unrelated thread you clown
Blow me.
When they're defending themselves to the accreditation boards, then they call it an athletic scandal. When they talk to the NCAA, it's an academic scandal.
Everyone has their own reality. There is no thing as "rather than reality". All that means is someone doesn't agree with your reality.
Been that way since Adam and Eve, or is that Eve and Adam? After all, the bible was written by males, no?
Sure is a lot of opinion on this thread.
When UNC was up for possible academic sanctions, they claimed it was an athletic matter. When UNC came before the NCAA, they claimed it was an academic issue. And somehow, neither side acted as if they had jurisdiction.
Sadly, UNC didn't internally punish anyone but an adjunct professor and didn't self-impose penalties, which really should call into question the whole idea they are an institution of higher learning.
The cover-up and existence of the classes spanned a decade and a half and in the end - there were minor repurcussions for one person.
How can that not only be allowed to happen, but how can UNC in good conscious not do more?
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Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
Bingo. More than the NCAA probe,th is should have prompted a deeper I investigation from accrediting bodies. If they aren't accredited, there is no NCAA program either. This isn't an isolated incident of cheating, covering for a single student, etc. This is decades of creating and programming bogus classes that non-athletes also "benefitted" from. It should call into question UNC degrees for 40 years.
The Southern Association Conference, the accrediting body they go before put them on probation.
And, I have no problem with people being outraged, because it was outrageous. But that still doesn't change that this was an academic scandal and not an athletic scandal. It was true that ACADEMIC counselors who do not report to the Atheltic Department and not overseen by them told athletes about these courses, but they also told other students.
Pretend you were Roy Williams and you have had your named dragged through the mud for 3+ years by these virtue signalers in the press who fall all over themselves kissing the asses of that rat coach K, calipari, and others, when there was not a shred of evidence Roy knew; in fact, there was evidence that when Roy got suspicious he tried to stop it.
What a fucking farce.
You UNC fans are absolutely delusional.
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Should have been pulled once this all came out. Academic fraud since 1993? Institution of higher learning ass.
Bingo. More than the NCAA probe,th is should have prompted a deeper I investigation from accrediting bodies. If they aren't accredited, there is no NCAA program either. This isn't an isolated incident of cheating, covering for a single student, etc. This is decades of creating and programming bogus classes that non-athletes also "benefitted" from. It should call into question UNC degrees for 40 years.
The Southern Association Conference, the accrediting body they go before put them on probation.
And, I have no problem with people being outraged, because it was outrageous. But that still doesn't change that this was an academic scandal and not an athletic scandal. It was true that ACADEMIC counselors who do not report to the Atheltic Department and not overseen by them told athletes about these courses, but they also told other students.
I feel like you don't even believe yourself what you are saying. Simple question, who do you think these bogus classes were developed for? Regular students or athletes?
I guess schools can cheat anyway they want now, as long as they include regular students in the cheating. All inclusive baby! Now, a school can give athletes bogus grades as long as they give Billy Smith in the engineering program a boost to his grades! Everyone's happy!
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How others can't see that amazes me, but people voted for Trump too, so there's that.
Way to bring your political agenda to a completely unrelated thread you clown
Blow me.
Is that you, Harvey?
All the probation means for them from an academic standpoint is if they have another violation in 24 months, then they can be sanctioned (but it still isn't mandatory then).
So exactly what punishment did the probation give them? Did it limit who they can enroll? Did it punish any administrators? Did it knock them down a level in the way they are academically rated?
To help you out, the answer is no to all of those.
But the continued use of the term virtue signalers is amusing to say the least.
virtue signaling
noun
the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
The NCAA sure didn't mind throwing the gauntlet down on programs such as Syracuse and UCONN though, did they? THAT is the hypocrisy of it all.
Commit academic fraud for decades? No punishment because that's bad PR for the NCAA and one of its cornerstone basketball schools.
Accept a bagel with cream cheese or make a YouTube video? You're fucked.
Makes total sense.
The NCAA sure didn't mind throwing the gauntlet down on programs such as Syracuse and UCONN though, did they? THAT is the hypocrisy of it all.
That is fine, but to say UNC has been protected during the scandal because of the end result is simply misleading. The bottom line is the NCAA did not have a case and they knew it, but because they felt the need to punish UNC and hope they would settle if pressured and harassed, they dragged this out and kept amending the NOA (especially from NOA2 where they basically acknowledged that they had nothing to NOA3 when they looked like they were going to hammer them). The NCAA had no case, they have known it for some time, that is why UNC got off, not because they are protected.
SU self imposed sanctions, the NCAA only had minimal violations and not only gave them a postseason ban and took away scholarships, they stripped Boeheim of something like 100 wins. This was on top of what SU already imposed.
Meanwhile, a UNC scandal drags on for several years, the school not only doesn't impose self-penalties, they hire a legal team to debunk the accusations and lo and behold, they lose nothing. Nada.
UNC isn't innocent here, but the NCAA knew they had no chance of winning in court. The idea that they didn't punish them because they make the NCAA money is bullshit. They didn't punish them because they knew they would lose in court and cost themselves a lot of money in the process.
I truly believe the NCAA really wanted to penalize UNC (and perhaps rightfully so) but they knew they couldn't actually do it because they would get destroyed in court so they dragged it out as long as they could and punished them that way. Not the same as actually penalizing them with scholarships and bowl/tournament ban, but really the only option they had when they knew according to their own bylaws they couldn't do anything legally.