How many of you are truly still rooting for wins?

In comment 13647444 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13647438 Devon said: Quote: So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest. I’ll take 0-16 if it beats out a 1-15 Browns team or a 1-15 SF.

Good for you?

0-16 is something this organization, or any one, will never live down. I'm not into the "soft" aspects of fandom usually, but I can't get behind this one.

Is the people that think a high QB pick is a guaranteed franchise QB for the next 15 years.

A. When has a Reese pick ever been guaranteed anything?
B. The bust rate for high pick QBs is real.

In comment 13647382 old man said:

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In comment 13647341 Gman11 said: Quote: rooting for your team to lose is like hoping your wife has an affair so you will appreciate her more. GREAT ANALOGY!!!!

Wrong. It's hoping your wife will cheat so you can get rid of the slut legally and draft your #1 side chick.

End of story.

But at this point I want to see us at least compete but I have a feeling we won't. At 0-5 with the injuries we sustained last week, I am rooting for losses so this dip stick HC gets fired in season. He's completely overwhelmed, he's clueless on offense, with the media and how to manage this team. The sooner the stink of that idiot is gone the better. I'm rooting for total overhaul, from GM down and that's only happening if we totally fail, so fail away.

If the team needs to take a step back in order to become great then I will root for that.

I hate mediocrity.

I want to see the Giants win another Super Bowl and I will endure the pain of loses if it means that they will be great next year.

I cannot stand missing playoffs year after year.

It's just a lose doesn't hurt that badly from this point forwards.

but if it takes 0-16 to get the GM and HC fired, I'm all for it. As sad as that sounds..

Then, Eli can commiserate with Archie and his 1980 New Orleans Saints.

Hard to take this stuff seriously, anymore.

Meaningless wins like we had in 2014 cost us a shot at Brandon scherff, and beating the dolphins in 2015 cost us Jack Conklin. Both guys would of made this offensive line better then it is now

I'm not rooting for losses tho

I'm rooting eli doesn't get hurt (manning) and also rooting for Macadoo to be ... let go of his duties

But I'll be watching from my couch and I understand that a terrible season is better for the team. A top pick to take the next franchise QB without needing to give up any additional assets to move up in the draft would expedite the rebuild.

Sadly, after 5 weeks we are all counting down the days for the offseason. The first two weeks were both prime time games, I was never able to even enjoy a Sunday afternoon game this season, I just feel so cheated...

I hope McAdoo rally’s the Giants to an amazing 11-0 run. I don’t want a winless or even 2 or 3 win season on Eli’s resume. I don’t like the Giants being the worst team in the NFL. The current culture of losing is unacceptable. A winless season would yield a top pick but this franchise would be embarrassed and knocked down in a way not seen for generations. Losing is not okay. If the Giants haven’t won going in to the bye week the GM and the head coach should be fired. Losing is not okay. A culture of losing is unacceptable.

In comment 13647438 Devon said:

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So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest.

This. I want no part of 0-16.

each and every week until all the players empty their lockers and go home for the off-season. Been doing that for too many years now to ever change that.

Though if little, or nothing, changes with how they play, I will be rooting for Coaching and Front Office changes before too many more games go by. I am close now.

Rd 1 of the draft will pan out, 1/2 of them don't no matter what pick we have. Its better to end on a positive winning streak, building the confidence of what we have now, than dying and getting a pick a few picks higher.

is makes the losses easier to take. I will never root for the Giants to lose on Sunday.

is that eli can get to no. 6 all time TDs behind marino and boost his case for the HOF, high draft pick be damned. sadly it looks like this year might hurt his chances.

The organization will wear that albatross forever. Want no part of that.

so I wont start now. Sure I understand the benefit of a high draft pick but the way I look at it is that I never root for that just accept it as the reward for enduring a horrible season if it comes to that.

but when I am watching the game I want them to win. However, when the game is over I am NOW glad they lost. Echo the other comments above. We need a total collapse if we are going to see major changes.

Let the draft position fall where it may:

Is a win for the future of the organization? That’s why I want us to lose most games so we get the top pick. But when I watch I still find myself screaming and rooting like hell for the win. It’s a strange cycle.

but no more they need the best pick they can get to fix the holes on this team and pref a trade down to add more picks unless there is a QB worth the pick thats why they need to blood webb soon as to see if he is the heir to manning or not

but priority number 1 is the OL number 2 a big outside WR marshall has been awful and is a stop gap anyway another CB is also fairly high on the priority and a DE to add strength behind jpp and vernon is also on par with another DB need wise

I can't really root against the Giants... but obviously winning games isn't really in their best long-term interest right now.

So, for me... it's just a matter of wanting to see some players who could be part of the solution play well. Guys like Gallman.. any of the linemen... Engram, Goodson.. I'd like to see Apple improve. Darian Thompson.

It's more an individual performance thing at this point.

The results of the games don't matter. It's the development of players who could help us going forward.

It's weird and it's tough.. even when I watch a Giants game knowing it's better if they lose, I still have a hard time hoping they do. I think the mentality is more just... whatever happens, happens.. as far as the score goes. But I still want to see guys play well.

I don't worry about the Draft until Feb.

somehow

For that kind of thinking, but I know what you mean, I m half way there.

At 0-5 and a run to meaningful games late in the year still a possibility, if they are playing well and in the game, I will probably root for the win.

But there will be none of the usual crappy feelings if they lose.

It s similar to Handley s second season, you knew the team needed major change and it was tough to get behind them

Unlike most though, barring a special finish to the next 11 games, Inghink Reese is gone.

Also the chance at the. Next franchise quarterback is appealing.

Last time I rooted for Giants to lose was when Elinwas coming out.

We all want wins, but if we don't get them, high picks are the next best thing but I don't trust the front office to use them well or pick wisely. They're so out of it. Given that, it's a lose lose situation, IMO.

In comment 13647861 arcarsenal said:

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So, for me... it's just a matter of wanting to see some players who could be part of the solution play well. Guys like Gallman.. any of the linemen... Engram, Goodson.. I'd like to see Apple improve. Darian Thompson. It's more an individual performance thing at this point. The results of the games don't matter. It's the development of players who could help us going forward.

Agree. It's like we have 11 preseason games left. (But win at least 1 dammit!)

I root to win but not broken up over the loss anymore
And I rather have a top 3 pick at 1-15 than first overall at 0-16
The Giants can’t be 0-16

But I won't root for it. Always root for the win. There's a way to disappoint, miss the playoffs, but still finish the season with some dignity and a few Ws to make the fans happy.

At the end of the day, even if we pick 10th instead of first, hypothetically, this team is far beyond the help of ONLY the number one pick. And there's no guarantee the top few picks turn into studs. That said, I'd rather win a few, maybe upset a division foe, then put all my eggs into one players basket.

Can't help it

Reese will likely still be gm and all...which will make you hold your breath as to screwing it up though

But, I'm just now resigned to them being likely and also almlst beneficial, so losses wont upset me as much from this point on. I also won the as emotionally invested in the games.

More than the #1 pick, I am interested in hitting the # of losses that gets a clean house firing of GM, HC,and entire staff.

rooting for wins got the Giants wins, then we wouldn't be in the mess the Giants are in now. So it really doesn't matter what any of us do in the grand scheme.

I'd say it this way, I will root for them to win because I can't help myself. If Eli throws a pick 6 in a big spot, I won't be cheering as the other guy runs up the field. What I'll likely do is just sit there and watch, dejectedly, and chalk it up to crappy season, with the only silver lining being that the losses should help the team in it's needed rebuild. As I've gotten older as a fan, I take things more in stride. I know this is a lost season so I won't go nuts as the losses pile up. I'll keep watching. I'll hope they play well, but I've accepted this is a 3-13 team right now.

I'll put it this way, back in 1988, when the Giants played the Niners, the Giants lost on a late bomb from Montana to Rice when Kenny Hill hit Mark Collins as he took a bad angle and Rice ran in for a game winning TD late. I was about 15 years old then and I remember being so pissed I just went outside and walked all around the neighborhood and didn't calm down for days. When the Giants just lost in Tampa, I knew what was going to happen, watched it happen. Muttered a curse and moved on. Some years aren't meant to be. I'll root for them to win, they just aren't good enough to do it, and I'm ok with that right now because I have my expectations set as a fan.

And while I don't want to see losses, in a lost-already season, I'd rather they get a top 3 pick than a top 5 or top 10 pick. Not many franchises have the luxury of going from Favre to Rodgers, or a Payton to Luck. The stars are are lining up for a well-timed Franchise QB pick who'd have the luxury of sitting at least a year behind Eli. I'd much rather see that than a return to a modern-day Kent Graham Danny Kanell era.

My fear in these situations is always that they'll win just enough to get the the 5th pick in a 4-man draft. And they always seem to do that.

In comment 13647889 TommytheElephant said:

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I root to win but not broken up over the loss anymore And I rather have a top 3 pick at 1-15 than first overall at 0-16 The Giants can’t be 0-16

I am with this. I just cant possibly see us losing tobthe 49ers

In comment 13647889 TommytheElephant said:

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I root to win but not broken up over the loss anymore And I rather have a top 3 pick at 1-15 than first overall at 0-16 The Giants can’t be 0-16

I am with this. I just cant possibly see us losing tobthe 49ers

pick with Jerry picking is a shit show.

In comment 13647461 SHO'NUFF said:

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In comment 13647382 old man said: Quote: In comment 13647341 Gman11 said: Quote: rooting for your team to lose is like hoping your wife has an affair so you will appreciate her more. GREAT ANALOGY!!!! Wrong. It's hoping your wife will cheat so you can get rid of the slut legally and draft your #1 side chick.

No, after re-thinking it, it's hoping your wife has an affair so she'll go on a diet.

there are a lot of women out there who don't value marriage at all who I know of, that can be used for all of these analogies...

in BBI land.

the team actually playing the games. You think they want to play the games, risk their futures, shame their reputations, undermine each other, and embarrass themselves just for a draft pick or two? Or for the "good" of the organization?

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Some of you need a serious reality check or just a break from WATCHING football. Holy shit.

the team actually playing the games. You think they want to play the games, risk their futures, shame their reputations, undermine each other, and embarrass themselves just for a draft pick or two? Or for the "good" of the organization?

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Some of you need a serious reality check or just a break from WATCHING football. Holy shit.

In comment 13648675 Del Shofner said:

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in BBI land.

You would be surprised...

In comment 13648676 B in ALB said:

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the team actually playing the games. You think they want to play the games, risk their futures, shame their reputations, undermine each other, and embarrass themselves just for a draft pick or two? Or for the "good" of the organization? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Some of you need a serious reality check or just a break from WATCHING football. Holy shit.

I’m not sure they care. I’ve followed this team since 1990. I’ve watched them pack it in, many-a-year. You can tell when a team has collectively given up on a season.

This team has. They will do little more than show up and mail it in. Frankly, it seems that’s what they have been doing since game 1 except for a few moments against the Eagles and Bucs.

As far as rooting for the Giants for the rest of the year? There’s literally nothing to root for. This team is a pathetic embarrassment and a stain on the fabric of the franchise. Put them right up there with the ‘95 squad. The woeful offense made the team nearly-unwatchable, but with the injuries and the infighting, we’ve entered legitimate paper-bag-wearing territory TWO WEEKS BEFORE HALLOWEEN!!!

At least if OBJ were healthy or Marshall were healthy, we’d have SOMETHING to watch on offense. At least if the dline or secondary had been holding up its end (and not being a weekly no-show and/or coming apart at the seams), there would be SOMETHING to watch on defense.

Instead, watching the Giants is like being strapped to a chair and having your teeth drilled without novocaine.

For those rooting for losses, in the expectation that it will lead to better drafts, think again. We’ve blown several round 1 picks already and history shows that picking earlier as a shittier team does not lead to great results. One example is the Browns. Consistently picking high and consistently missing.

Things won’t change until we purge the disease that is Reese, his scouting dept. and his draft strategy (prioritizing measurables over “football players”, this whole “team captain” BS, going cheap on LBs and absolutely whiffing on OL drafting).

In 2003, it took a colossal collapse to convince ownership to part ways with Fassell.

Rooting for an 0-16 season.

In comment 13648676 B in ALB said:

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the team actually playing the games. You think they want to play the games, risk their futures, shame their reputations, undermine each other, and embarrass themselves just for a draft pick or two? Or for the "good" of the organization? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Some of you need a serious reality check or just a break from WATCHING football. Holy shit.

B, what in the fuck are you talking about? Unless OP did not refer to "original post(er)" in this instance?

In comment 13648676 B in ALB said:

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the team actually playing the games. You think they want to play the games, risk their futures, shame their reputations, undermine each other, and embarrass themselves just for a draft pick or two? Or for the "good" of the organization?

Yeah, I'm going to tank this season so they can draft my replacement!