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How many of you are truly still rooting for wins?

chopperhatch : 10/13/2017 6:24 pm
I only ask because it would seem that if you really want this team to make the turn around the same to root forright now would be more losses. In fact the more brutal the losses the better chance we would see a complete purging of the front office and a better chance at picking at the top of the draft.

Now, while I jumped off the bandwagon super early (Eagles game), I also fail to see anything we currently have in house that brings me a sense of confidence that we are being led by the right people. Also, given the Maras' history, it will take something cataclysmic to overhaul the whole thing. A 2 or 3 win season and the lockerrom in uproar could be just that thing.

Lastly, Eli is at the end. Everybody knows that. Having our choice of the entire field for his successor in next years draft is a carrot that is just irresistable for me. It is exceptionally rare for a team to have a franchise QB that another highly rat3d prospect can learn from. Not only that, but picking high means we can still pick higher rated linemen and compete next year.

Even if you are one of those who subscribes to the trade down and acquire more picks theory, pkcking that high yields more. My whole thing, is this season was a disaster. So cut the bait and start over.

Im only curious because I still see people mentioning our chances of beating an opponent. This team has already bucked this coaching staff. There is no Odell to root for. It felt very strange to root for a Giants loss, but I want to see this team competing sooner rather than later, and them losing is the quickest way to that
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Even though I understand  
Gman11 : 10/13/2017 6:30 pm : link
rooting for your team to lose is like hoping your wife has an affair so you will appreciate her more.
ALWAYS  
MadMax : 10/13/2017 6:31 pm : link
.
It's not rooting for losses..  
Sean : 10/13/2017 6:31 pm : link
I root for the Giants but don't necessarily mind if they lose. Also, I always want to see Eli play well.
I've reached 2003 post Westbrook PR status  
djm : 10/13/2017 6:33 pm : link
No longer care if they win. I did root for the win last week. Figured 1-4 is salvageable. Not anymore but I will watch every minute of every game.
As a “true fan” thinking long term  
annexOPR : 10/13/2017 6:35 pm : link
Yes, I am rooting for them to lose - and I don’t feel bad about it

Major changes need to be made - some BS “run” that piles up meaningless wins will do nothing but hinder this teams ability to land a top prospect and start the rebuild.

Also, this team really doesn’t warrant “rooting for”. Dysfunctional joke of a team ... Having said that - flying out to Denver as my road trip. I’ll make the most of Denver as a city ... and start some Broncos on DraftKings.
for 3 hours every week  
markky : 10/13/2017 6:36 pm : link
i'm rooting for wins. rest of week i know it's better if they lose.
Hope they win  
djstat : 10/13/2017 6:38 pm : link
A loss just won’t bother me.
RE: As a “true fan” thinking long term  
chopperhatch : 10/13/2017 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13647349 annexOPR said:
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Yes, I am rooting for them to lose - and I don’t feel bad about it

Major changes need to be made - some BS “run” that piles up meaningless wins will do nothing but hinder this teams ability to land a top prospect and start the rebuild.

Also, this team really doesn’t warrant “rooting for”. Dysfunctional joke of a team ... Having said that - flying out to Denver as my road trip. I’ll make the most of Denver as a city ... and start some Broncos on DraftKings.


Exactly. I was able to root for the 0-6 team because I loved Coughlin and wanted to see the team fight. But I have zero love for BM and Reese and need a change of pace.
RE: RE: As a “true fan” thinking long term  
robbieballs2003 : 10/13/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13647363 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13647349 annexOPR said:


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Yes, I am rooting for them to lose - and I don’t feel bad about it

Major changes need to be made - some BS “run” that piles up meaningless wins will do nothing but hinder this teams ability to land a top prospect and start the rebuild.

Also, this team really doesn’t warrant “rooting for”. Dysfunctional joke of a team ... Having said that - flying out to Denver as my road trip. I’ll make the most of Denver as a city ... and start some Broncos on DraftKings.



Exactly. I was able to root for the 0-6 team because I loved Coughlin and wanted to see the team fight. But I have zero love for BM and Reese and need a change of pace.


Agreed. It is tough to say I am rooting for them to lose but by rooting for them to lose I see a quicker turnaround if they do it right. So, by wanting them to lose in the short time I see them winning sooner in the long term.
Can we root for losses just once?  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/13/2017 6:53 pm : link
I mean, if we're not going anywhere, getting a shot at the best player in the draft doesn't happen too often.
Said it before, will say it again...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/13/2017 6:56 pm : link
I won't pound table after a bad play or loss, but won't be sulking after bad play or loss.
RE: Even though I understand  
old man : 10/13/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13647341 Gman11 said:
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rooting for your team to lose is like hoping your wife has an affair so you will appreciate her more.

GREAT ANALOGY!!!!
I will always only  
section125 : 10/13/2017 6:58 pm : link
root for wins. How can you root to lose. Incomprehensible.
As I said  
old man : 10/13/2017 7:00 pm : link
In another thread a fan should root for them to win but if you're looking for loses, this team has about 10 more left this year.
I'd like to see some wins, absolutely.  
Beezer : 10/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
I cannot imagine a zero-win season.

Best-case for my druthers, at this point - win only as many as 1 fewer than the next highest. Get the first pick and the top of the second, etc.
I hate the say it but...  
UberAlias : 10/13/2017 7:02 pm : link
I want to see them with the #1 pick. A couple of meaningless wins won't wash away the stink of this season, but the top pick could be a franchise altering moment in team history. Nothing worse than QB purgatory and the league is loaded with teams in need of a QB. This could be our best bet to not just get a good one, but get a great one. That and I just don't see much better than mediocrity with McAdoo. His stubbornness and lack of play calling are intolerable.
First of all, it's silly to believe our answers matter ...  
baadbill : 10/13/2017 7:07 pm : link
It's not as though our answers will affect what happens.

Secondly, I can't actually cheer for the Giants to make bad plays. When I'm watching the game, good football plays by the Giants still get me jacked with an involuntary "yea!"

Having said that, every year I want the Giants to win the SB and, if not, then end up with the #1 pick (or as close to it as possible). That never changes.

So, I can't actively root for them to play bad. Nor can I root for them to miss a field goal, etc. But at the same time I'm not going to be upset if they lose a game (or every game) and get the #1 pick in the draft.
Ok, I take it back  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/13/2017 7:08 pm : link
I'm sorry
....  
yankees78 : 10/13/2017 7:18 pm : link
I just want one win, so that I remember what it feels like.
My brain will root for a loss,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/13/2017 7:24 pm : link
But my heart will always root for a win.
Me, Always  
clatterbuck : 10/13/2017 7:30 pm : link
Don't know any other way.
0-16 is a stigma I want no part of.  
Devon : 10/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest.
RE: 0-16 is a stigma I want no part of.  
The_Boss : 10/13/2017 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13647438 Devon said:
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So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest.


I’ll take 0-16 if it beats out a 1-15 Browns team or a 1-15 SF.
It's not that I want them to lose,  
Doomster : 10/13/2017 7:52 pm : link
I just don't think they are capable of winning.....

Your #1 receiver was previously your 4th-5th receiver....basically playing two street guys at the other positions, because nobody claimed them...

A rookie TE, that is playing like a rookie....

Your starting RB, was #4 on the depth chart...

And this hodgepodge of a merrygoround OL?

These are the kinds of players you expect to be seeing in the 4th quarter of a preseason game, and they will be up against a seasoned starting unit....

And here is Mac....."Go get 'em Eli! You have my full support!"

Never mind one DE is injured, and the other is a no show for games....Snacks must feel like he is playing alone out there.....RB's and TE's running against our linebackers are probably laughing so much, it's a wonder they catch those passes....

And our once vaunted defensive backfield, has an injured Collins playing, Jenkins(only DB who has been solid through all this), Apple, who has been cored by opposing receivers, and Thompson, who seemed to be in the right place at the right time last game.....with no pressure/pass rush, these guys will be severely tested......

Oh, did I mention that Denver has not one, but two RB's, that can take it to the house, by land or air?

"Losing is a disease....ah, but curable." Only problem is, it may take another 2-3 years to cure it....

I thought this team would win the division....get a bye even......because I believed what Reese was throwing down our throats....

The OL will be better, with another year behind them, and don't forget, we have Solari coaching them up....

We now have a blocking TE and FB, and we will be able to run the ball......

Marshall will replace Cruz.......

Hankins isn't worth the money, and besides, we have a 3 headed monstah that can replace him....

We don't need a vet presence in the backfield, like Blount, we are all set...

FS? Don't need one, we got two....

Linebackers? We'll bring back Robinson, keep Thomas, Goodson is the goods, and Kennard is finally going to be one of those late round draft picks that Reese has been searching for....

I bought into it, like the rest of you guys......It's another two weeks until Halloween, and it's over.....It's just hard to believe that even I could be sucked in....

11-5? Yes, it turns out it was a mirage of sorts.....we won some close ones.....the defense could hold a 4th quarter lead.....We turned the corner, but never saw what was coming around it....

With this offensive lineup, scoring is almost a joke, even if, only two balls hit the ground in practice.....the defensive line, with no pressure, will make average QB's look much better than they are......

This is one freakin' mess.....
RE: RE: 0-16 is a stigma I want no part of.  
Devon : 10/13/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13647444 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13647438 Devon said:


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So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest.



I’ll take 0-16 if it beats out a 1-15 Browns team or a 1-15 SF.


Good for you?

0-16 is something this organization, or any one, will never live down. I'm not into the "soft" aspects of fandom usually, but I can't get behind this one.
What I don't get  
WillVAB : 10/13/2017 8:10 pm : link
Is the people that think a high QB pick is a guaranteed franchise QB for the next 15 years.

A. When has a Reese pick ever been guaranteed anything?
B. The bust rate for high pick QBs is real.
RE: RE: Even though I understand  
SHO'NUFF : 10/13/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13647382 old man said:
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In comment 13647341 Gman11 said:


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rooting for your team to lose is like hoping your wife has an affair so you will appreciate her more.


GREAT ANALOGY!!!!


Wrong. It's hoping your wife will cheat so you can get rid of the slut legally and draft your #1 side chick.
Always for the win.  
JerseyCityJoe : 10/13/2017 8:15 pm : link
End of story.
I never want to see us lose  
Joey in VA : 10/13/2017 8:16 pm : link
But at this point I want to see us at least compete but I have a feeling we won't. At 0-5 with the injuries we sustained last week, I am rooting for losses so this dip stick HC gets fired in season. He's completely overwhelmed, he's clueless on offense, with the media and how to manage this team. The sooner the stink of that idiot is gone the better. I'm rooting for total overhaul, from GM down and that's only happening if we totally fail, so fail away.
I root for championships  
Archer : 10/13/2017 8:24 pm : link
If the team needs to take a step back in order to become great then I will root for that.

I hate mediocrity.

I want to see the Giants win another Super Bowl and I will endure the pain of loses if it means that they will be great next year.

I cannot stand missing playoffs year after year.
i will ALWAYS root for a win  
JohnB : 10/13/2017 8:26 pm : link
It's just a lose doesn't hurt that badly from this point forwards.
I never like for the Giants to lose,  
prdave73 : 10/13/2017 8:31 pm : link
but if it takes 0-16 to get the GM and HC fired, I'm all for it. As sad as that sounds..
I am rooting for exactly one win.  
Giants_ROK : 10/13/2017 8:42 pm : link
Then, Eli can commiserate with Archie and his 1980 New Orleans Saints.

Hard to take this stuff seriously, anymore.
I root for losses  
Mike Graves : 10/13/2017 8:43 pm : link
Meaningless wins like we had in 2014 cost us a shot at Brandon scherff, and beating the dolphins in 2015 cost us Jack Conklin. Both guys would of made this offensive line better then it is now
Nope not me  
DennyInDenville : 10/13/2017 8:44 pm : link
I'm not rooting for losses tho

I'm rooting eli doesn't get hurt (manning) and also rooting for Macadoo to be ... let go of his duties
If I had tickets to 6 more games, I might want to see wins  
KentGraham : 10/13/2017 8:44 pm : link
But I'll be watching from my couch and I understand that a terrible season is better for the team. A top pick to take the next franchise QB without needing to give up any additional assets to move up in the draft would expedite the rebuild.

Sadly, after 5 weeks we are all counting down the days for the offseason. The first two weeks were both prime time games, I was never able to even enjoy a Sunday afternoon game this season, I just feel so cheated...
I hope they the next 11 games  
trueblueinpw : 10/13/2017 8:47 pm : link
I hope McAdoo rally’s the Giants to an amazing 11-0 run. I don’t want a winless or even 2 or 3 win season on Eli’s resume. I don’t like the Giants being the worst team in the NFL. The current culture of losing is unacceptable. A winless season would yield a top pick but this franchise would be embarrassed and knocked down in a way not seen for generations. Losing is not okay. If the Giants haven’t won going in to the bye week the GM and the head coach should be fired. Losing is not okay. A culture of losing is unacceptable.
RE: 0-16 is a stigma I want no part of.  
BigBlue in Keys : 10/13/2017 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13647438 Devon said:
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So I'm rooting for one win; they can lose all the rest.


This. I want no part of 0-16.
I'll be watching and rooting for wins...  
Vinny from Danbury : 10/13/2017 9:48 pm : link
each and every week until all the players empty their lockers and go home for the off-season. Been doing that for too many years now to ever change that.

Though if little, or nothing, changes with how they play, I will be rooting for Coaching and Front Office changes before too many more games go by. I am close now.
I'm rooting for wins all the time - who knows if whoever we pick in  
PatersonPlank : 10/13/2017 10:03 pm : link
Rd 1 of the draft will pan out, 1/2 of them don't no matter what pick we have. Its better to end on a positive winning streak, building the confidence of what we have now, than dying and getting a pick a few picks higher.
All it does  
Natek212 : 10/13/2017 10:21 pm : link
is makes the losses easier to take. I will never root for the Giants to lose on Sunday.
my main hope at this point  
japanhead : 10/13/2017 10:25 pm : link
is that eli can get to no. 6 all time TDs behind marino and boost his case for the HOF, high draft pick be damned. sadly it looks like this year might hurt his chances.
The Giants cannot go 0-16.  
Boy Cord : 10/13/2017 10:40 pm : link
The organization will wear that albatross forever. Want no part of that.
After 50+ years I have never wished for them to lose  
steve in ky : 10/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
so I wont start now. Sure I understand the benefit of a high draft pick but the way I look at it is that I never root for that just accept it as the reward for enduring a horrible season if it comes to that.
This may sound strange...  
EricJ : 10/13/2017 11:33 pm : link
but when I am watching the game I want them to win. However, when the game is over I am NOW glad they lost. Echo the other comments above. We need a total collapse if we are going to see major changes.
Get every win they can  
RetroJint : 10/14/2017 12:24 am : link
Let the draft position fall where it may:
What happens when a loss  
bradshaw44 : 10/14/2017 2:18 am : link
Is a win for the future of the organization? That’s why I want us to lose most games so we get the top pick. But when I watch I still find myself screaming and rooting like hell for the win. It’s a strange cycle.
they need to win 1 so they dont go 0-16  
msh : 10/14/2017 3:01 am : link
but no more they need the best pick they can get to fix the holes on this team and pref a trade down to add more picks unless there is a QB worth the pick thats why they need to blood webb soon as to see if he is the heir to manning or not

but priority number 1 is the OL number 2 a big outside WR marshall has been awful and is a stop gap anyway another CB is also fairly high on the priority and a DE to add strength behind jpp and vernon is also on par with another DB need wise

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arcarsenal : 10/14/2017 3:12 am : link
I can't really root against the Giants... but obviously winning games isn't really in their best long-term interest right now.

So, for me... it's just a matter of wanting to see some players who could be part of the solution play well. Guys like Gallman.. any of the linemen... Engram, Goodson.. I'd like to see Apple improve. Darian Thompson.

It's more an individual performance thing at this point.

The results of the games don't matter. It's the development of players who could help us going forward.

It's weird and it's tough.. even when I watch a Giants game knowing it's better if they lose, I still have a hard time hoping they do. I think the mentality is more just... whatever happens, happens.. as far as the score goes. But I still want to see guys play well.
Just Win Baby!  
Manning10 : 10/14/2017 4:56 am : link
I don't worry about the Draft until Feb.
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