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I don't get where Spags is in all of this dysfunction?

PatersonPlank : 10/14/2017 11:16 am
It seems like its the defense who is rebelling here, and specifically the DB's. It also seems like its between McAdoo and the players. During the recent press meetings Spags deferred all questions on DRC to Mac. I don't get this. Isn't Spags the leader of the D, and isn't Spags supposedly liked by his players?

- Is Mac overruling Spags on player decisions?
- Why is Mac the one disciplining the players?
- Why is Spags letting him do this if he disagrees?

Something seems off here. If Spags and Mac are aligned, then why isn't Spags out in front of this as their boss (answer is they are not aligned)? If Spags disagrees, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would step back and let Mac do his job (like Mac does to Sullivan)? One wild thought is maybe Mara told Spags to sit tight until they make a change?

Its all confusing. The team is an emotional mess, and that definitely lies at the feet of McAdoo no matter what the reason. That is also, IMO, the main reason coaches get fired.
Hard to get on Spags without the details  
jcn56 : 10/14/2017 11:37 am : link
DRC was pissed he was benched. Who called for the benching? Did DRC have any words or issue with Spags, or did he go straight to BM? Was it BM's decision to suspend him based on that meeting?

Too many questions to beat up on Spags for *this*. The question as to what the hell happened to the defense is a good one, and that's all on Spags.
So you think Spags  
Gman11 : 10/14/2017 1:12 pm : link
ought to undermine his coach and blab everything to the media?
RE: So you think Spags  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13648065 Gman11 said:
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ought to undermine his coach and blab everything to the media?


No, but I would expect him to do one of two things. Either:
- handle the disciplinary things himself, since its his squad, if he agrees with it
or
- push back on Mac to keep his players from being disciplined if he doesn't agree.

It seems he is doing neither. If he doesn't agree, he should not allow this to happen and not allow the players to get into things directly with his boss. I doubt that Mac would over rule his DC and suspend the player, and battle others, directly. If he is, then he is even worse of HC than I thought.
My issue is why isn't spags getting any heat  
Larry in Pencilvania : 10/14/2017 1:33 pm : link
From the media and the fans? His defense can't get of the field on third and long, they can't tackle, cover, provide pressure, and they're making mental errors. As far as discipline goes that's on the head coach
RE: My issue is why isn't spags getting any heat  
mitch300 : 10/14/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13648080 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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From the media and the fans? His defense can't get of the field on third and long, they can't tackle, cover, provide pressure, and they're making mental errors. As far as discipline goes that's on the head coach

I agree.
Spags is sitting back and laughing his ass off  
SHO'NUFF : 10/14/2017 1:37 pm : link
"See,I told ya... you shoulda picked me, Mara."
RE: My issue is why isn't spags getting any heat  
PatersonPlank : 10/14/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13648080 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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From the media and the fans? His defense can't get of the field on third and long, they can't tackle, cover, provide pressure, and they're making mental errors. As far as discipline goes that's on the head coach


Spags is lucky that the offense was so putrid early on. Now he's getting the benefit of Mac losing the players publicly.
Benefit of the Doubt  
Samiam : 10/14/2017 2:16 pm : link
Most here nail McAdoo and give Spags a pass. Is it on Mc that’ guys are running uncovered in the secondary. Did you ever see anyone more open than EJ Howard in the TB game? Is that on Mc? What about the poor tacking or no pass rush? That’s McAdoo too? How is Spags not only getting a pass but also talked about as a replacement? This defense is playing like crap
Spags was fortunate of the timing  
jcn56 : 10/14/2017 2:28 pm : link
The D wasn't that bad the first couple of weeks - they weren't the dominant unit that they had been last season, but they weren't terrible and the offense was unable to get out of it's own way.

Then, you had the Beckham celebration nonsense, the O still futile, and the Giants in an 0-3 hole, and it went largely unnoticed amongst all the other noise that the D started off down from last year and declining in every game thereafter.

It's a damn shame that all this crap with Apple/DRC happened, because they really should be asking - why the hell is the D performing so badly compared to last year?
was DRC forced to play injured  
mdc1 : 10/14/2017 2:34 pm : link
and maybe he was not for it? Thus causing the turmoil?
Spags is getting a public pass  
BlackLight : 10/14/2017 2:45 pm : link
largely because of how the defense performed last season. The problems with the offense (linked more tightly to McAdoo) go back to last season. So even though the team was winning last season (in spite of the offense's troubles), the perception is now that that McAdoo did nothing to fix the problem.
RE: RE: So you think Spags  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/14/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13648071 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13648065 Gman11 said:


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ought to undermine his coach and blab everything to the media?



No, but I would expect him to do one of two things. Either:
- handle the disciplinary things himself, since its his squad, if he agrees with it
or
- push back on Mac to keep his players from being disciplined if he doesn't agree.

It seems he is doing neither. If he doesn't agree, he should not allow this to happen and not allow the players to get into things directly with his boss. I doubt that Mac would over rule his DC and suspend the player, and battle others, directly. If he is, then he is even worse of HC than I thought.


That isn't how the thing works. A professional DC isn't going to do that. He isn't the HC.

That said, Spags had quite the shitshow in St.Louis, and BBI seems to overrate him considerably. His career is a mixed bag.
Hey Spags, nice jacket.....what's it made out of?  
Doomster : 10/14/2017 2:58 pm : link
"Teflon"....

I don't get it either.....Spags seems to be getting a free pass, in all this....
RE: So you think Spags  
Beer Man : 10/14/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13648065 Gman11 said:
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ought to undermine his coach and blab everything to the media?
+1, that would essentially end Spags tenure as the Giants DC
I agree that Spags' name has been curiously absent  
81_Great_Dane : 10/14/2017 4:27 pm : link
from the conversation. But he's not going to be able to go public with any disagreement with the HC, and he's going to keep quiet about disciplining the players because he needs to protect those relationships. So we may not hear much from him, if anything at all.
Spags owns the poor performance of this defense  
joe48 : 10/14/2017 4:40 pm : link
How come they are giving up 135 yds rushing per game and cannot get off the field on 3rd down. You cannot allow the performance of the offense affect how you play defense. They don’t seem to be motivated like last year. Bad tackling and overall sloppy play.
The 'd' has been lousy all season, and responsible for giving up 4th  
plato : 10/14/2017 7:56 pm : link
Quarter leads several times. That falls on the D.C. They cannot stop the run even when most needed. That in part due to loss of Hankins, a poor and injured lb corps, but ultimately on the D.C.

The D.C. Record as a coach is poor. He shines when he has great players, otherwise in his journey around the league, his record is poor to abysmal.

As for the personnel problems on the current defense, look at the D.C.'s stay in N.O.

Overall Spags has an undeservedly good reputation in NY/NJ for reasons that may not all be football related. In any event if Reese or Ben stay Spags should and will depart. If the HC goes so will Spags.
RE: was DRC forced to play injured  
Milton : 10/15/2017 1:23 am : link
In comment 13648115 mdc1 said:
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and maybe he was not for it? Thus causing the turmoil?
Or perhaps he was forced to switch from an anti-perspirant to an anti-deodorant, thus causing the turmoil?
Spagnuolo has coached one good defense since November 2008.  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/15/2017 7:19 am : link
Aside from 2016, his units have ranged from moderately bad to historically awful. You can only blame talent for so long. If a coordinator can't make lemonade from lemons, he might as well be a lemon himself.

The jury is out on McAdoo. He's a young coach who might get better if he continues to get opportunities. Is he doing well now? No, but the sample is still fairly small and he's only 40. I think we have plenty of data on Spagnuolo - mostly horrible. And it's not as though he deserves character points, either (a la Coughlin, for example). By most accounts, in St.Louis he was a divisive weasel who alienated his players and treated junior staff poorly. If he's escaping the heat now, it might be less because he's doing a good job and more because he has become more adept at keeping out of the line of fire. If he learned one thing in St.Louis, it may have been the importance of managing the press.
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