But he actually wouldn't be a bad choice because of his expertise in working with young QBs. Whoever comes here will need a guy who can help a young QB succeed at transitioning to the NFL and playing at a high level.
Further, this team needs an injection of positivity and enthusiasm, which Gruden provides. You can just see a cloud of negativity surrounding this team. Sure, losing does that. But even when the team was winning last year, there didn't seem to be a positive atmosphere, IMO.
Both Bill Cowher and Nick Saban want the job. I would start there.
Years ago I would have been doing my happy dance if it was Cowher, but Bill has been out of coaching a very long time and doesn't appear to have the fire in his belly anymore.
The guy I would be interested in is Scot McCloughan Â
He was involved in building winners in San Fran and Seattle plus he started getting DC on the right track until Bruce Allen got his panties in a bunch. He also knows how to build an offensive line when you look at what the 49ers had.
The main issue with him is his personal demons and is be play them. Gettleman didn't impress me with Carolina and some of the players there had issues with him
Gettleman was a hack, everyone hated him. All he ever did was draft Cam.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
Gettleman was a hack, everyone hated him. All he ever did was draft Cam.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
This post lol.
1. Saban was only a "bust" because the Dolphins chose Culpepper instead of Brees. Had Brees become the QB, who knows what would have happened.
2. Gruden and Cower are too old? Gruden is 54 and we hired Coughlin when he was 58. Cower is 60. If anything, by your logic, Saban is too old. He's 65.
3. Dictorial coaches never work. Hmmmm... Belichick, Coughlin and Parcells all come to mind. Yes Coughlin "lightened up" a littlr but he still was a disciplinary coach.
that Saban, Gruden, or Cowher will leave their current situation for the Giants.
Saban should stay in college. He is a very good coach but he is a FANTASTIC recruiter. He has 5 and 4 star kids lined up 3-4 deep for the chance to play 1-2 years for Alabama.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Former Patriots coaches and execs haven't shone around the league. Little Bill is pretty much running the whole show there. I think other teams have learned to discount the Pats' success in judging those guys.
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Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Agree. The worst of Coughlin without the best.
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Gruden, Cower too old
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Maybe look at Stanford coach
I like David Shaw too but I doubt he'd do it, and as he's said himself: College HC and pro HC are fundamentally different jobs. Not sure he'd excel at the latter.
Gettleman was a hack, everyone hated him. All he ever did was draft Cam.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
Gruden is only 54. 11 years younger than Bill Belichik, 12 years younger than Pete Carroll. He'd be roughly around the median age for NFL head coaches. Weird post. Bill Cowher is 60, and if he were an NFL head coach right now, he would be the 7th oldest in the league.
However, it would be weird and interesting to have Jon Gruden in the same division as his younger brother, competing against each other. That might preclude him from joining the Giants right there, even if he did want to get back into coaching (and I think he will at some point).
Gettleman was a hack, everyone hated him. All he ever did was draft Cam.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
Gruden is only 54. 11 years younger than Bill Belichik, 12 years younger than Pete Carroll. He'd be roughly around the median age for NFL head coaches. Weird post. Bill Cowher is 60, and if he were an NFL head coach right now, he would be the 7th oldest in the league.
However, it would be weird and interesting to have Jon Gruden in the same division as his younger brother, competing against each other. That might preclude him from joining the Giants right there, even if he did want to get back into coaching (and I think he will at some point).
Gruden and Cowher have been away for too long. I think that's what people really mean by "too old".
both have history with the organization, and both would be great in developing a rookie QB if we end up with a high pick and draft one in the 1st round.
both have history with the organization, and both would be great in developing a rookie QB if we end up with a high pick and draft one in the 1st round.
Sean Peyton is not a very good HC and an even worse person. No thank you.
A fresh start is needed let him select the coach it has to
be a complete sweep . Gruden would be entertaining I have
no idea about Saban didn't he jump ship somewhere ?
It will be interesting to see who would be the head coach .
Absolutely correct! Fire Reese first, then replace him with someone who understands the game, rather than our current fantasy football GM who chases after big name offensive players rather than establish an established front line to protect the QB.
Then allow the new GM to appoint his brand new coaching staff, rather than have him inherit someone else's mistakes.
both have history with the organization, and both would be great in developing a rookie QB if we end up with a high pick and draft one in the 1st round.
Sean Peyton is not a very good HC and an even worse person. No thank you.
Jason Garrett has breen a failure with Dallas. Why would the Giants want him he has a .500 revcord and has had a lot of talent.
I think Reese stays. I think the owners are big Spags fans. I think the thought of Coughlin and Bellichick figuring it out in their second terms hols some allure. Not saying I want this. Just saying it could happen.
I'd burn everything Giants that I own ... He's a college coach who builds his offense around running QBs ... plus he's full of gimmicks ... no thank you.
Hire the GM first and let him hire the coach? The Giants? The Mara’s are the real GM and they’ll hire the coach. Just like they did when Coughlin was hired and when McAdoo was hired. The Giants GM job is basically a ceremonial role to present a face to the media. Ranked among the 32 GM jobs in the NFL it’s near the bottom in authority and autonomy. Coughlin was the last scapegoat and Reese might be the next one but the fish has rotted from the head and that’s not going to change. In 2018 the Mara’s will still be running the team straight into the ground. We’ve even introduced a new Mara in 2017 affecting the play on the field. Apple managed to offend a 3rd Mara brother. What a mess.
He was a backup here, went to Princeton & is familiar with the division. I don't know if the stars will ever align to make it happen, but I'd guarantee he'd welcome it if things don't work out in Dallas.
He was a backup here, went to Princeton & is familiar with the division. I don't know if the stars will ever align to make it happen, but I'd guarantee he'd welcome it if things don't work out in Dallas.
Garrett is a yes man.Check out ....Brad Childress.
They way his offense allows Ben,Brown and Bell to do what they do best
Further, this team needs an injection of positivity and enthusiasm, which Gruden provides. You can just see a cloud of negativity surrounding this team. Sure, losing does that. But even when the team was winning last year, there didn't seem to be a positive atmosphere, IMO.
This. Don’t start over with dysfunction. Hire the GM first and let him have a say in the coach hiring.
Let's go forward instead of backwards.
according to past reports, every team has a short list of potential coaches.
good catch,very realistic
Reese isn’t going any where. And if he were, Mara won’t let the GM pick the coach.
The main issue with him is his personal demons and is be play them. Gettleman didn't impress me with Carolina and some of the players there had issues with him
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
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He might bring Mike Shula, Carolina's OC, in.
Reese isn’t going any where. And if he were, Mara won’t let the GM pick the coach.
Yes he would - or the new GM will not take the job....
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
This post lol.
1. Saban was only a "bust" because the Dolphins chose Culpepper instead of Brees. Had Brees become the QB, who knows what would have happened.
2. Gruden and Cower are too old? Gruden is 54 and we hired Coughlin when he was 58. Cower is 60. If anything, by your logic, Saban is too old. He's 65.
3. Dictorial coaches never work. Hmmmm... Belichick, Coughlin and Parcells all come to mind. Yes Coughlin "lightened up" a littlr but he still was a disciplinary coach.
Saban should stay in college. He is a very good coach but he is a FANTASTIC recruiter. He has 5 and 4 star kids lined up 3-4 deep for the chance to play 1-2 years for Alabama.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
Gruden is only 54. 11 years younger than Bill Belichik, 12 years younger than Pete Carroll. He'd be roughly around the median age for NFL head coaches. Weird post. Bill Cowher is 60, and if he were an NFL head coach right now, he would be the 7th oldest in the league.
However, it would be weird and interesting to have Jon Gruden in the same division as his younger brother, competing against each other. That might preclude him from joining the Giants right there, even if he did want to get back into coaching (and I think he will at some point).
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Gettleman was a hack, everyone hated him. All he ever did was draft Cam.
First place to look is patriots GM staff, they always seem to find off radar players.
Coach- Saban was bust in Pros, too dictatorial, never works.
Gruden, Cower too old
Maybe look at Stanford coach
Gruden is only 54. 11 years younger than Bill Belichik, 12 years younger than Pete Carroll. He'd be roughly around the median age for NFL head coaches. Weird post. Bill Cowher is 60, and if he were an NFL head coach right now, he would be the 7th oldest in the league.
However, it would be weird and interesting to have Jon Gruden in the same division as his younger brother, competing against each other. That might preclude him from joining the Giants right there, even if he did want to get back into coaching (and I think he will at some point).
Gruden and Cowher have been away for too long. I think that's what people really mean by "too old".
be a complete sweep . Gruden would be entertaining I have
no idea about Saban didn't he jump ship somewhere ?
It will be interesting to see who would be the head coach .
What?
This is the guy who for the life of him, couldn’t develop a QB in Oakland or Tampa.
What exactly are people watching?
Absolutely correct! Fire Reese first, then replace him with someone who understands the game, rather than our current fantasy football GM who chases after big name offensive players rather than establish an established front line to protect the QB.
Then allow the new GM to appoint his brand new coaching staff, rather than have him inherit someone else's mistakes.
Yeah no. Cowher is never coaching again and Saban just signed like a new 10’year deal. Think again.
Spags, Sully, or Peyton (if he gets canned)
Spags, Sully, or Peyton (if he gets canned)
John Fox...
Spags, Sully, or Peyton (if he gets canned)
time for them to go against the grain.
Smith from Falcons was a mentioned when they hired McAdoo. Jim Schwartz?
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both have history with the organization, and both would be great in developing a rookie QB if we end up with a high pick and draft one in the 1st round.
Sean Peyton is not a very good HC and an even worse person. No thank you.
Spags, Sully, or Peyton (if he gets canned)
That’s not necessarily true. They usually go for a guy who’s coached for the Giants before.
Could be John Fox. Hell, it could even be Coughlin again!
We lucked out with Tom Coughlin. Need someone with fresh ideas.
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The Giants always grow from within which leaves drumroll please...
Spags, Sully, or Peyton (if he gets canned)
That’s not necessarily true. They usually go for a guy who’s coached for the Giants before.
Could be John Fox. Hell, it could even be Coughlin again!
This time, like after R** H******, I see them going for someone brand new to the Giants organization.
Mike Vrabel would be second on my list.
Dave Toub the Special Teams Coach from KC is a fast rising candidate. I'd at least interview him to see what the buzz is about.
Teryel Austin has done a decent job in Detroit and on the other side Jim Bob Cooter has done a great job with Stafford.
Some college guys like Jim Harbaugh, David Shaw, and Nick Saban.