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Milton : 10/15/2017 6:18 am
Okay in a 12-team PPR league I need to choose two out of three from Tyreek Hill, Jarvis Landry, and William Fuller V. Is it too soon to vault Fuller ahead of Landry?

And given that those three are my only receivers, I'm considering adding either Roger Lewis or Mike Williams before game time--not with the intention of starting either--but just in case one of them has a big game and I won't be able to claim them on waivers (I'm 4-1 so waivers are a bitch).
Fuller in PPR  
OBJRoyal : 10/15/2017 6:59 am : link
Seems to me that Fuller does his damage on maybe 4 catches every week. Seems to be a better standard league WR than PPR. Landry should be a better PPR WR.

Cant see how anyone could trust Lewis?? #4 or #5 WR facing the opposing teams top corner every week, doesn't seem like a good mix. but the again, he is the #2 option on a team that needs to throw the ball a lot
RE: Fuller in PPR  
Milton : 10/15/2017 7:11 am : link
In comment 13648740 OBJRoyal said:
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Seems to me that Fuller does his damage on maybe 4 catches every week. Seems to be a better standard league WR than PPR. Landry should be a better PPR WR.

Cant see how anyone could trust Lewis?? #4 or #5 WR facing the opposing teams top corner every week, doesn't seem like a good mix. but the again, he is the #2 option on a team that needs to throw the ball a lot
My thinking on Lewis is that the man has legit talent, but is his own worst enemy. Maybe suddenly being vaulted into the starter's role will have a maturing effect on him. And Eli seems to look for him when he's on the field. Even when Shepard returns, I think it will be Lewis that's the big play guy while Shepard is the possession receiver. As I see it, it's a boom or bust addition to my bench. And that's what the bench is for.
yeah id go landry in PPR and fuller in standard....  
Italianju : 10/15/2017 7:52 am : link
and if your just trying to pick up a HR id go with williams. I just dont see lewis really doing much even as the #1 or #2.

Im in a 2 QB league and have Wilson on a bye and Eli facing Denver. I picked up Brissett from another owner, but im debating dropping Crowell for Hogan to play instead of Eli. I dont really want to drop Crowell. Should i just suck it up and hope Eli doesnt completely bomb tonight?
More help Non PPR  
STL Gman : 10/15/2017 8:03 am : link
RB choose 2
L miller Hou
M Ingram NO
D Johnson Clev
Allen Bal


For Flex
Tate or one of back above. I am leaning Miller/Ingram with Johnson as flex
RE: RE: Fuller in PPR  
OBJRoyal : 10/15/2017 8:04 am : link
In comment 13648743 Milton said:
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Seems to me that Fuller does his damage on maybe 4 catches every week. Seems to be a better standard league WR than PPR. Landry should be a better PPR WR.

Cant see how anyone could trust Lewis?? #4 or #5 WR facing the opposing teams top corner every week, doesn't seem like a good mix. but the again, he is the #2 option on a team that needs to throw the ball a lot

My thinking on Lewis is that the man has legit talent, but is his own worst enemy. Maybe suddenly being vaulted into the starter's role will have a maturing effect on him. And Eli seems to look for him when he's on the field. Even when Shepard returns, I think it will be Lewis that's the big play guy while Shepard is the possession receiver. As I see it, it's a boom or bust addition to my bench. And that's what the bench is for.


Cant argue with your thinking and using your bench as such....
RE: More help Non PPR  
OBJRoyal : 10/15/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13648762 STL Gman said:
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RB choose 2
L miller Hou
M Ingram NO
D Johnson Clev
Allen Bal


For Flex
Tate or one of back above. I am leaning Miller/Ingram with Johnson as flex


I would also go Miller/Ingram with Johnson as flex
Kamara/Ingram  
OBJRoyal : 10/15/2017 8:07 am : link
was all over Kamara when AP got dealt, but most seem to think Ingram might benefit more. Any thoughts??

I'm starting Gordon and Kamara today with Gillislee on the bench.
RE: Kamara/Ingram  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2017 8:21 am : link
In comment 13648766 OBJRoyal said:
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was all over Kamara when AP got dealt, but most seem to think Ingram might benefit more. Any thoughts??

I'm starting Gordon and Kamara today with Gillislee on the bench.


I say kamara. Peterson was barely getting touches to begin with, kamara has way more upside. I think they'll be faster paced against the lions on the turf too.

My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead
RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
Milton : 10/15/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13648777 jgambrosio said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead
Abdullah and Snead.
jgambrosio  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 9:06 am : link
I'd take Ameer Abdullah. The Saints have actually been pretty decent against the run but I feel he's your best option.

For Flex, I'd play Martavis. I think he's going to have a nice day today. I expect him to get in the end zone at least once. I think that Steelers team is ready to pop off in a big way and let out their frustration against the Chiefs, and remember, the Chiefs don't have great corners after Marcus Peters and with Eric Berry out, they are exploitable deep, which Bryant excels at. Also, from a game script perspective, you know the Chiefs are going to be going up and down the field, so this one has a good probability of being a shoot out.


RE: RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 9:10 am : link
In comment 13648810 Milton said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead

Abdullah and Snead.


For the love, don't play Snead. He has yet to even get in a game so even assuming he plays today he will likely be eased in and on a snap count. He's not going to grab a lot of balls in his first game after an extended absence. And Snead is the kind of receiver that needs to rack up catches to be productive for your team. Go Martavis...he is going to get deep today.
RE: jgambrosio  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2017 9:12 am : link
In comment 13648811 allstarjim said:
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I'd take Ameer Abdullah. The Saints have actually been pretty decent against the run but I feel he's your best option.

For Flex, I'd play Martavis. I think he's going to have a nice day today. I expect him to get in the end zone at least once. I think that Steelers team is ready to pop off in a big way and let out their frustration against the Chiefs, and remember, the Chiefs don't have great corners after Marcus Peters and with Eric Berry out, they are exploitable deep, which Bryant excels at. Also, from a game script perspective, you know the Chiefs are going to be going up and down the field, so this one has a good probability of being a shoot out.



Thanks - those are the guys I have slotted in now as well. The guy I'm playing has Mariota so I was hoping I could get a double benefit with him being out and Henry getting more carries again. I need to see breida get more carries and Snead to play in a game, but I'm hoping he becomes a reliable ppr flex down the road.

What is everyone's thoughts on David Johnson post Peterson trade? I scooped him up earlier this season but they again reinforced that he will be out until Thanksgiving and not sure if Peterson has any impact at all. Is DJ still worth holding on to? I'm 4-1 so a decent shot at making the playoffs.
RE: More help Non PPR  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13648762 STL Gman said:
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RB choose 2
L miller Hou
M Ingram NO
D Johnson Clev
Allen Bal


For Flex
Tate or one of back above. I am leaning Miller/Ingram with Johnson as flex


I like Miller of course, and you have two pretty good options with Duke Johnson and Buck Allen. With Cleveland playing Houston, the gamescript really favors the Duke. But Allen is getting volume. This one is close, but I'd go with Buck Allen just because of the number of touches he's getting right now, and I expect he'll have a good game against Chicago.
RE: RE: jgambrosio  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13648814 jgambrosio said:
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I'd take Ameer Abdullah. The Saints have actually been pretty decent against the run but I feel he's your best option.

For Flex, I'd play Martavis. I think he's going to have a nice day today. I expect him to get in the end zone at least once. I think that Steelers team is ready to pop off in a big way and let out their frustration against the Chiefs, and remember, the Chiefs don't have great corners after Marcus Peters and with Eric Berry out, they are exploitable deep, which Bryant excels at. Also, from a game script perspective, you know the Chiefs are going to be going up and down the field, so this one has a good probability of being a shoot out.





Thanks - those are the guys I have slotted in now as well. The guy I'm playing has Mariota so I was hoping I could get a double benefit with him being out and Henry getting more carries again. I need to see breida get more carries and Snead to play in a game, but I'm hoping he becomes a reliable ppr flex down the road.

What is everyone's thoughts on David Johnson post Peterson trade? I scooped him up earlier this season but they again reinforced that he will be out until Thanksgiving and not sure if Peterson has any impact at all. Is DJ still worth holding on to? I'm 4-1 so a decent shot at making the playoffs.


Absolutely hold on to DJ. I think Peterson is going to have very little if any impact on DJ once he's healthy. I expect DJ to come back and be DJ.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/15/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13648813 allstarjim said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead

Abdullah and Snead.



For the love, don't play Snead. He has yet to even get in a game so even assuming he plays today he will likely be eased in and on a snap count. He's not going to grab a lot of balls in his first game after an extended absence. And Snead is the kind of receiver that needs to rack up catches to be productive for your team. Go Martavis...he is going to get deep today.


Snead has been an awful pick - now I'm benching him because he was limited in practice all week.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13648821 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead

Abdullah and Snead.



For the love, don't play Snead. He has yet to even get in a game so even assuming he plays today he will likely be eased in and on a snap count. He's not going to grab a lot of balls in his first game after an extended absence. And Snead is the kind of receiver that needs to rack up catches to be productive for your team. Go Martavis...he is going to get deep today.



Snead has been an awful pick - now I'm benching him because he was limited in practice all week.


As long as he's good to go in three weeks because I have Allen, Hogan and Bryant all on bye... I'm going to have to start making some tough decisions regarding bench cuts. With the Jax D on bye in week 8, 3 WRs on bye in week 9, and Kelce in week 10, someone's going to have to go... that's why I keep debating DJ because he's been clogging up my bench. One reason I couldn't try and stash Luck as well when someone dropped him... I'm starting to think that IR slots should become standard in FFL like DL slots are in FBL
I think IR slots are pretty standard now  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 9:40 am : link
In every league I'm in there is an IR slot. I think you should raise this issue with your commish and league mates for a change for next year.

But don't drop DJ. If you are in the playoff mix and you drop him, you are going to regret it. These things often have a way of sorting themselves out. Just hang in there.
Jordan reed or Cameron brate?  
hitdog42 : 10/15/2017 9:44 am : link
At te- ppr league
With Diggs out , I need to start one of the following in my flex  
jlukes : 10/15/2017 9:44 am : link
PPR

Perine
Abdullah
Fuller
R Lewis
RE: Jordan reed or Cameron brate?  
jlukes : 10/15/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13648839 hitdog42 said:
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At te- ppr league


Gotta go Reed
RE: With Diggs out , I need to start one of the following in my flex  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13648840 jlukes said:
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PPR

Perine
Abdullah
Fuller
R Lewis


Abdullah is a fine flex. The upside play is Fuller, but I'd play Abdullah.
RE: Jordan reed or Cameron brate?  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13648839 hitdog42 said:
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At te- ppr league


Agreed, it has to be Reed.
We got rid of IR slots  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2017 10:01 am : link
because rules around them is sketchy, NFL is not like MLB or NHL, no short-term IR and we figure why not just add a roster spot if you're going to have an IR spot. Really no difference.

People just began abusing it and using it as a dumping ground for extra players.
Riddick or Mack  
beatrixkiddo : 10/15/2017 10:08 am : link
For flex? PPR.
RE: We got rid of IR slots  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 10:09 am : link
In comment 13648849 pjcas18 said:
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because rules around them is sketchy, NFL is not like MLB or NHL, no short-term IR and we figure why not just add a roster spot if you're going to have an IR spot. Really no difference.

People just began abusing it and using it as a dumping ground for extra players.


That must be a platform thing. The default NFL.com rules won't allow you to put a player in the IR spot unless they are on PUP, IR, or Suspended. I'm actually guessing on the Suspended part, but I do believe that you can put a guy on it if suspended. I think you certainly have to limit it. We only allow 1 IR spot. I think that's standard. I also have a rule in my keeper league that if a guy goes on IR and is dumped, and you add him as a free agent while on IR, you can't use him as a keeper for the following season, he has to go back in the draft. I think that helps with that kind of a problem, which is really IR-spot independent when teams are out of it late and don't care about who is on their rosters anymore or fielding a competitive team. We haven't had any negative issues with having an IR slot in any of my leagues, but again, we just keep it to one spot.
RE: Riddick or Mack  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13648851 beatrixkiddo said:
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For flex? PPR.


I think with those two options it allows you to be ballsy and go with Mack for the upside.

But Riddick has a good matchup. The Saints have yielded the 5th most receptions and 2nd most receiving yards to RBs this year (but only 2 TDs to RBs, 1 on the ground, and one through the air).

I would go Mack though, because I think Pagano knows it's time to get him more carries.
RE: yeah id go landry in PPR and fuller in standard....  
JoeMoney19 : 10/15/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13648759 Italianju said:
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and if your just trying to pick up a HR id go with williams. I just dont see lewis really doing much even as the #1 or #2.

Im in a 2 QB league and have Wilson on a bye and Eli facing Denver. I picked up Brissett from another owner, but im debating dropping Crowell for Hogan to play instead of Eli. I dont really want to drop Crowell. Should i just suck it up and hope Eli doesnt completely bomb tonight?

That's a tough one but I would stick with what you've got. I think Hogan will have more highs than Kizer but also plenty of lows. I think Eli will be a better fantasy QB than him due to volume alone. I'm also hopeful that Hogan's play will open up better chances for Crowell, who's been a disaster for me too this year. Looking back I think you'll be happier having kept Crowell and Eli rather than dumping Crowell for Hogan, especially once you're past Wilson's bye week.

I'm in a DST bind - would you play:

Packers @ Min (Keenum starting again and no Diggs. Thielen, Rudolph and McKinnon are all still dangerous though. Bridgewater reportedly close to returning so QB controversy could be looming)

or Rams @ Jax (Bortles stinks but Fournette has been unstoppable, Rams haven't been great against the run and are traveling across the country. If they can make Bortles throw the ball 25+ times I like their chances of forcing a turnover, but if they can't stop Fournette he won't have to)

I'm leaning GB but I've seen the Rams ranked higher in a lot of places.
RE: RE: We got rid of IR slots  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13648852 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13648849 pjcas18 said:


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because rules around them is sketchy, NFL is not like MLB or NHL, no short-term IR and we figure why not just add a roster spot if you're going to have an IR spot. Really no difference.

People just began abusing it and using it as a dumping ground for extra players.



That must be a platform thing. The default NFL.com rules won't allow you to put a player in the IR spot unless they are on PUP, IR, or Suspended. I'm actually guessing on the Suspended part, but I do believe that you can put a guy on it if suspended. I think you certainly have to limit it. We only allow 1 IR spot. I think that's standard. I also have a rule in my keeper league that if a guy goes on IR and is dumped, and you add him as a free agent while on IR, you can't use him as a keeper for the following season, he has to go back in the draft. I think that helps with that kind of a problem, which is really IR-spot independent when teams are out of it late and don't care about who is on their rosters anymore or fielding a competitive team. We haven't had any negative issues with having an IR slot in any of my leagues, but again, we just keep it to one spot.


that was CBS, now we're on Yahoo not sure how IR is or can be handled, but CBS didn't have rules around it - at least not rules you had to adhere to.

As for keeper leagues, for us any player you pick up off waivers that is on your roster at the end of the season can be kept for an 8th round pick (we only have two keepers).

So our philosophy is if you can afford the roster spot why tell you that you can't keep him.

I have Dalvin Cook right now on my roster, though it's unlikely I keep him.

not saying one way is better than others, but in my leagues none have IR spots and I like it. I prefer players like DJ to need roster spots instead of IR spots. Make it hurt to hold him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
Milton : 10/15/2017 10:20 am : link
In comment 13648813 allstarjim said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead

Abdullah and Snead.

For the love, don't play Snead. He has yet to even get in a game so even assuming he plays today he will likely be eased in and on a snap count. He's not going to grab a lot of balls in his first game after an extended absence. And Snead is the kind of receiver that needs to rack up catches to be productive for your team. Go Martavis...he is going to get deep today.
Three out of five ESPN "experts" ranked Snead ahead of Bryant and he edges him on FantasyPros as well.
PPR Flex Help  
Reeses Pieces : 10/15/2017 10:45 am : link
I like both of the following players today. I just can't decide who I like more today.

Javorius Allen vs Chicago

Jerick McKinnon vs Green Bay

Thank in advance
Anyone starting Peterson this week  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2017 10:48 am : link
I'm deciding between Engram and him. I'm guessing Engram is now the #1 target for Eli but last week still stings after putting up 0 catches.
RE: PPR Flex Help  
JayBinQueens : 10/15/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13648900 Reeses Pieces said:
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I like both of the following players today. I just can't decide who I like more today.

Javorius Allen vs Chicago

Jerick McKinnon vs Green Bay

Thank in advance


I'd probably go Allen but it's really a toss up

Uconn - I'd probably go Engram in AP's first week - next week not so sure

Chris Thompson vs SF or Demarco Murray vs Indy for flex?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Kamara/Ingram  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13648866 Milton said:
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My bench is in shambles so need some advice with mccoy on bye. Pick two for RB and flex in a ppr:

Abdullah
D Henry
Breida
M Bryant
Snead

Abdullah and Snead.

For the love, don't play Snead. He has yet to even get in a game so even assuming he plays today he will likely be eased in and on a snap count. He's not going to grab a lot of balls in his first game after an extended absence. And Snead is the kind of receiver that needs to rack up catches to be productive for your team. Go Martavis...he is going to get deep today.

Three out of five ESPN "experts" ranked Snead ahead of Bryant and he edges him on FantasyPros as well.


That's fine. We'll see after. I'll re-visit this thread either way.
RE: PPR Flex Help  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13648900 Reeses Pieces said:
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I like both of the following players today. I just can't decide who I like more today.

Javorius Allen vs Chicago

Jerick McKinnon vs Green Bay

Thank in advance


McKinnon...I love Allen today also but I think McKinnon is a solid RB1 today.
QB Problem...  
LarmerTJR : 10/15/2017 11:52 am : link
I have Mariota. I don’t trust him playing...do I pick up Big Ben, or eait to see and pick up Bridgett if I need to? I will have to drop either Marlon Mack or Tarik Cohen, since our benches are so short...
RE: QB Problem...  
Miami_JintsFan : 10/15/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13648959 LarmerTJR said:
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I have Mariota. I don’t trust him playing...do I pick up Big Ben, or eait to see and pick up Bridgett if I need to? I will have to drop either Marlon Mack or Tarik Cohen, since our benches are so short...


My son has the same decision. He picked up Brissett and will plug him in if Mariota can't go.

I can't decide Flex standard scoring?

Lynch vs LAC
Tate @ NO
???
RE: RE: PPR Flex Help  
allstarjim : 10/15/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13648953 allstarjim said:
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I like both of the following players today. I just can't decide who I like more today.

Javorius Allen vs Chicago

Jerick McKinnon vs Green Bay

Thank in advance



McKinnon...I love Allen today also but I think McKinnon is a solid RB1 today.


He shoots he scores.

Also, Snead only 1 catch on 3 targets for 11 yards.

Martavis Bryant is an enigma at the moment. 2 catches for 27.

Neither one doing much but between those two technically I was right.
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