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Raanan: Flowers-Jerry-Jones-Fluker-Pugh Tonight

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/15/2017 10:15 am
DENVER -- The game of musical chairs on the New York Giants' offensive line has Justin Pugh at right tackle, D.J. Fluker at right guard and John Jerry at left guard this week against the Denver Broncos, multiple sources told ESPN.
Sources: Justin Pugh to start at right tackle across from Von Miller vs. Denver - ( New Window )
Deck chairs...Titanic  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/15/2017 10:17 am : link
.
Jeezus  
BigBlueShock : 10/15/2017 10:19 am : link
Poor Pugh gets the please of going against Von Miller, lol. I'll look forward to all the posts about how awful he is if/when he gives up a sack or two. I think he's our best option there, but the abuse he gets in the aftermath will be unbearable from his haters.
Best lineup  
hitdog42 : 10/15/2017 10:19 am : link
They can put out there
RE: Best lineup  
Milton : 10/15/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13648864 hitdog42 said:
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They can put out there
Agreed. I think Jerry is more suited to left guard than right guard and although Pugh is the team's best left guard, he's also the team's best right tackle.
Pssst  
George : 10/15/2017 10:28 am : link
(whispers) but I thought I heard that Bobby Hart was the NFL's best right tackle???
RE: Pssst  
BigBlueShock : 10/15/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13648875 George said:
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(whispers) but I thought I heard that Bobby Hart was the NFL's best right tackle???

He apparently came down with Von Milleritis this morning.
This has been our best run producing Oline  
Simms11 : 10/15/2017 10:32 am : link
too. How do you negate a pass rush? Run the damn ball. Hart has been a turnstile on the right side. I think he’s destined to be a back up or moved inside to Guard.
Broncos  
Sammo85 : 10/15/2017 10:36 am : link
Are going to shift Miller around. Eli is going to hear footsteps tonight.

Giants need to try and run at Miller.
This can't be right..This was top secret information  
Blue21 : 10/15/2017 10:43 am : link
according to Mac's press conference this week. He wasn't telling anyone.
If this line does well  
George from PA : 10/15/2017 10:58 am : link
I will be very pissed....

As I had wanted Flowers-Jones-Richburg-Fluker-Pugh from the start
Jerry jones  
spike : 10/15/2017 11:00 am : link
Is starting?
Jones and Fluker were not given legitimate shot to compete in camp  
UberAlias : 10/15/2017 11:08 am : link
Hart had no competition. Jones and Fluker were finally given some looks at RG against the Jets after Jerry struggled but was right back to the same group the following week in practice.

Now finally only after his hand was forced due to injuries we're seeing configurations many were calling for from the start. McAdoo failed to generate meaningful competition with this unit. Shame on him. 5 losses in and we're finally coming around to this just now?

This stubbornness is at the top of a long list of reasons why he needs to go.
I think the Hart experiment is over  
Emil : 10/15/2017 11:19 am : link
He has looked awful in live action this year. Count me as one of those who think Pugh should play tackle. If Flowers continues his adequate level of play, this might be an OL to go forward with.
RE: I think the Hart experiment is over  
jeff57 : 10/15/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13648928 Emil said:
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He has looked awful in live action this year. Count me as one of those who think Pugh should play tackle. If Flowers continues his adequate level of play, this might be an OL to go forward with.


Agree.as to Hart.Seen enough.
I will say it for the 100th time...  
Chris684 : 10/15/2017 11:37 am : link
That Justin Pugh was not considered a starting tackle on this team since spring minicamps is an epic coaching failure.

We could have gone through all of camp with Pugh getting reps/improving at tackle and same for Jones or Fluker at guard. The Dallas game, most of the Detroit game and San Diego games were all wasted with poor OL performances with Pugh at guard.
RE: I think the Hart experiment is over  
Beer Man : 10/15/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13648928 Emil said:
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He has looked awful in live action this year. Count me as one of those who think Pugh should play tackle. If Flowers continues his adequate level of play, this might be an OL to go forward with.
I wish the John Jerry experiment would end as well.
Isn't this the same line as last week?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2017 11:49 am : link
They ran the ball last week, so they deserve another week.
Hart was re-inserted at RT last week  
Chris684 : 10/15/2017 11:53 am : link
if I'm not mistaken.
I was hoping last week they would keep Pugh there  
Bluesbreaker : 10/15/2017 11:59 am : link
Best lineup
hitdog42 : 10:19 am : link : reply
They can put out there

and leave Hart on the bench at least Pugh solidifies the
RT pass rush as Flowers seems o be getting a bit better
Hart is not a tackle period he should be groomed for one
of the guard spots he is not NFL ready !
Would love to be wrong, but w/ Den & Sea up next  
ChaChing : 10/15/2017 12:13 pm : link
I'm not sure it's going to matter

We ran the ball well last week vs one of the worst run Ds (if not Ds). And managed to call as few runs as possible in moments we should have, given all the success. Baffling after weeks of focus on improving the run

Even if we get the right OL w/ the right playcalls, I feel like both these games we're unlikely to cross the 50 if ever. Anything can happen, it's why they play the game etc etc but...
Makes sense  
phil in arizona : 10/15/2017 12:36 pm : link
It's probably the best line they can put together right now. Injuries aside, I think we've seen the last of Hart at RT.
RE: Jones and Fluker were not given legitimate shot to compete in camp  
gmenatlarge : 10/15/2017 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13648912 UberAlias said:
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Hart had no competition. Jones and Fluker were finally given some looks at RG against the Jets after Jerry struggled but was right back to the same group the following week in practice.

Now finally only after his hand was forced due to injuries we're seeing configurations many were calling for from the start. McAdoo failed to generate meaningful competition with this unit. Shame on him. 5 losses in and we're finally coming around to this just now?
This stubbornness is at the top of a long list of reasons why he needs to go.


Spot on, these jobs were bestowed upon this line with no competition and no matter how bad they played no one lost their job due to poor play!
fuck, they actually made an adjustment  
SHO'NUFF : 10/15/2017 1:08 pm : link
but keep rolling out John Jerry's fat ass... this guy must have the same pics as Tom Quinn.
Jerry Reese is to blame  
GeorgeAdams33 : 10/15/2017 1:24 pm : link
Reese sold ownership on the idea that continuity would make the line solid. He was banking on it so it wouldn't matter that he did nothing to improve the line. He was banking on it because he thought that if he added more possession receivers that Eli would be able to get rid of the ball quickly. Nobody was open last year and that is why Cruz is gone. He didn't make it in Chicago either. Reese was banking on OBJ, Marshall, EE & Shepard in his 2nd year helping Eli by getting open. Reese did essentially nothing to the line because he was banking on them getting better. He was so wrong.

We have seen enough of Pugh at RT. We are going backwards. Coughlin used to talk all the time about how we needed to "get bigger on the offensive line." Pugh at RT and Richburg at LG in 2014 prompted those comments Reese was wrong about Bobby Hart, who really never could beat out Marshall Newhouse, who was directly responsible for Pugh's knee injury, and who will likely end up working at McDonald's rather than finding a niche at Guard in the NFL. We let several established Left Tackles come and go because Reese told them they'd have to play RT while giving way to Ereck Flowers, who is a natural RT, at LT for the simple reason that Reese is too arrogant to see Flowers moved now as opposed to his rookie year when we had Beatty and it would've not made the GM look bad.

Reese cannot be forgiven. He has an aging franchise QB and has failed to protect him, failed to provide him a running game, failed to give him a decent TE until EE since Shockey, failed to give him a decent possession WR since Nicks, and wasted premium picks on guys like Rueben Randolph, Travis Beckum, Ramses Barden, Jarrell Jernigan, Adrien Robinson, etc.. He has been horrible at finding quality LBs & Safeties in the mid rounds, wasting many 4th & 5th round picks. He can't even hit on the CB & DE positions consistently as we've water picks on guys like Amukamara, Hosely, D.Moore & OO ...

Other than OBJ and JPP Reese has failed when it comes to drafting good talent. The importance of building a quality OL cannot be understated, especially when you are paying a franchise QB. Pugh, Richburg, & Flowers were all drafted in desperation. Too little too late. We sent some great, not just good, but GREAT coaches down the road because they could not overcome Reese' failures. It is time to do what's right for the NY Giants. Everyone responsible for this debacle needs to be fired or demoted. Even if they are family.
How can any GM  
Marty866b : 10/15/2017 2:42 pm : link
Come into this season with Bobby Hart as your starting offensive tackle with NO ON ELSE even competing for his job?
RE: How can any GM  
old man : 10/15/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13649097 Marty866b said:
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Come into this season with Bobby Hart as your starting offensive tackle with NO ON ELSE even competing for his job?

You HAVE seen JRs idea of good OL draft picks, havent you?
Unbelievable  
GiantTuff1 : 10/15/2017 3:13 pm : link
This team sucks...lol

Lets try stuff now, the combination(s) we fans were asking to see MONTHS AGO. Not like we had any choice since the first sin was because Reese completely failed to fix the OL or perhaps worse, was unable to recognize there needed to be fixing. Regardless, should be fun against Denver no matter the combination.

The fact is the Giants under Reese have become SOFT... They draft finesse players, no nasty, no deep down, no dogs... it’s a reflection of the GM and type of player he has an affinity for... that’s who this team has become.

This team needs to get big and nasty on both lines... smash mouth up front. That’s Giants football. Not this bullshit we’ve seen for years now. Then the rest of the roster with smart and passionate players who fit the objective.
Why is anyone shocked or outraged by this?  
adamg : 10/15/2017 3:17 pm : link
This is about the fifth time they've gone with a different OL alignment. Second time on this particular one.
RE: How can any GM  
rdt288 : 10/15/2017 3:28 pm : link

This is spot on.

In comment 13649097 Marty866b said:
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Come into this season with Bobby Hart as your starting offensive tackle with NO ON ELSE even competing for his job?
I'd much rather see  
Earl the goat : 10/15/2017 6:36 pm : link
Wheeler. Pugh. Jones. Fluker. Flowers

Seasons over. Throw Wheeler into the fire and see what he's got
Pugh is there to help him. Put a TE to chip DE and keep a RB close by

Run Gallman to right and let Fluker and Flowers do some road grading
Flowers is bound to go to RT sooner or later

Jones is doing a fine job at center. I bet Richburgh doesn't get resigned next year. He's done a poor job at center.
Just looking at the names in the thread title is  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2017 6:46 pm : link
so damn disheartening.

I can't believe there was a person with so much NFL experience that thought this OLine would be good enough. Fuck Reese.
RE: I'd much rather see  
Milton : 10/15/2017 7:06 pm : link
In comment 13649369 Earl the goat said:
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Wheeler. Pugh. Jones. Fluker. Flowers.
I would love to see that alignment but I think it's too late for that this year in terms of Flowers making the move to right tackle.
Good test for Pugh.  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2017 7:13 pm : link
If he wants to be paid like a top OL then you have to compete against the best. Von will get his, but Pugh needs minimize Von's impact and not allow him to wreck the game.
Something we all knew for 2 years  
nicky43 : 10/15/2017 7:28 pm : link
except JR and McAdoo did not know, is that the answer to our oline problems are not on the team. No matter what combinations they try, what they need is TALENT and they lack it at 4 of the 5 oline positions.
RE: Good test for Pugh.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13649403 Diver_Down said:
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If he wants to be paid like a top OL then you have to compete against the best. Von will get his, but Pugh needs minimize Von's impact and not allow him to wreck the game.


If I'm the broncos DC, there's no way Von even sees that matchup. I'd send him anywhere else on the offensive line for the easy broken play.
RE: RE: Good test for Pugh.  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13649440 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If he wants to be paid like a top OL then you have to compete against the best. Von will get his, but Pugh needs minimize Von's impact and not allow him to wreck the game.



If I'm the broncos DC, there's no way Von even sees that matchup. I'd send him anywhere else on the offensive line for the easy broken play.


Well, if Von lines up against Flowers, he has a choke-hold to look forward to every play. At least with Pugh's T-Rex arms, Von is likely to move right past him before he even gets within arm's reach.
RE: I will say it for the 100th time...  
nicky43 : 10/15/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13648947 Chris684 said:
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That Justin Pugh was not considered a starting tackle on this team since spring minicamps is an epic coaching failure.

We could have gone through all of camp with Pugh getting reps/improving at tackle and same for Jones or Fluker at guard. The Dallas game, most of the Detroit game and San Diego games were all wasted with poor OL performances with Pugh at guard.


I agree wit this but since Flowers is now (finally) playing at least as good as a High School tackle they figure they may be safe to move Pugh to the right Tackle spot. Poor Eli!
Flowers  
BigBlueShock : 10/15/2017 8:05 pm : link
Is playing as good as a high school tackle? For fucks sake people.
Flowers is much improved - and thats a good thing that I would  
PatersonPlank : 10/15/2017 8:24 pm : link
assume Giants fans would be happy about
This is almost the lineup i wanted at the beginning of the season  
rasbutant : 10/15/2017 8:26 pm : link
Weston for Jones
and
Pugh and Flower switch sides.
How about that. Foot in mouth.  
ChaChing : 10/15/2017 11:36 pm : link
Great job OL. Great job coaches, finally putting the right players in the right spots after all this trouble blocking. Against a top D & front 7 no less

Also in all of this, Flowers is still LT, and well...not quite "not an NFL LT" at least for a few games it seems. Heard that in many places and fwiw, certainly not THAT bad over this short term

How about a 100yd rusher too
Guess I was wrong  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2017 11:37 pm : link
Maybe someone slipped the broncos some nyquil in the gatorade.
RE: Guess I was wrong  
BigBlueShock : 10/15/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13650847 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Maybe someone slipped the broncos some nyquil in the gatorade.

You were a complete bitch in the game thread. And agin this one apparently. Fuck off with your negativity.
RE: RE: RE: Good test for Pugh.  
section125 : 10/16/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13649446 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13649440 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13649403 Diver_Down said:


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If he wants to be paid like a top OL then you have to compete against the best. Von will get his, but Pugh needs minimize Von's impact and not allow him to wreck the game.



If I'm the broncos DC, there's no way Von even sees that matchup. I'd send him anywhere else on the offensive line for the easy broken play.



Well, if Von lines up against Flowers, he has a choke-hold to look forward to every play. At least with Pugh's T-Rex arms, Von is likely to move right past him before he even gets within arm's reach.


How'd those short arms look tonight. You understand that BS T-Rex arm thing is over 1/2 inch between "desired" length and Pugh's arms.....
RE: RE: Guess I was wrong  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 12:07 am : link
In comment 13650975 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13650847 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Maybe someone slipped the broncos some nyquil in the gatorade.


You were a complete bitch in the game thread. And agin this one apparently. Fuck off with your negativity.


Go back in that thread, I'm still waiting for my apology, tough guy.
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