credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
Fluker has been playing for a couple of weeks now. Pugh finished the game at RT last week when Hart got hurt. And he played RT when Hart was hurt the weeks before, IIRC
Darkwa and Gallman had 30 carries tonight.
Darkwa, Gallman, and Vereen had 24 carries last week.
Gallman, Vereen, & Perkins had 25 carries the week before that.
They didn't just commit to running the ball tonight.
The biggest difference is actually the defense playing better.
The running game was working last week when Hart was in the game. In fact, the right side was blocking better for runs than the left side last week. I think Fluker may well be making a difference.
Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
for getting ahead of ourselves. I'd want to see if it was really the Giants stepping up and not the Broncos figuring they could sleepwalk through this one.
ME too. But, it's still a win. That's one. Now, let's see if they can go out and put up a similar result next week.
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Fluker has been playing for a couple of weeks now. Pugh finished the game at RT last week when Hart got hurt. And he played RT when Hart was hurt the weeks before, IIRC
Darkwa and Gallman had 30 carries tonight.
Darkwa, Gallman, and Vereen had 24 carries last week.
Gallman, Vereen, & Perkins had 25 carries the week before that.
They didn't just commit to running the ball tonight.
The biggest difference is actually the defense playing better.
The running game was working last week when Hart was in the game. In fact, the right side was blocking better for runs than the left side last week. I think Fluker may well be making a difference.
Fluker's a snow plow as a run blocker, so it's not a surprise, but if he's going to play, you have to call a run-heavy offense because he'll get exposed on as many passes as McAdoo seemed to want to throw.
At least now they seem to be playing to presumed strengths, but I don't think they're good enough to run even when the other team knows it's coming.
Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
Except for the delay of games, Eli played smart. He does not know his WRs, except Lewis, in game situations. I'll give Eli credit for game management tonight. By next week he may know the WRs better and they may know the routes better. Seattle will also need to commit to covering Engram...
credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
100% agree with you. I thought it was going to be a blowout. This was a very impressive victory, one that I'm going back thru my own memory bank to think of one that came out of no where in what looked like a lost season. Maybe 1996 vs. the Cowboys when Dave Brown beat them at Giants Stadium. Maybe the season finale vs. the KC Chiefs in Handley's last win as a head coach when they blew out the playoff bound team and Rodney Hampton ran wild. This was your typical "any given Sunday" win by the Giants, which usually doesn't work out for the Giants.
I'm happy they won, I would never have thought so. They played tough and were the better team on the field. But that still doesn't eliminate the fact that the Bronco team which shellacked Dallas a few weeks back was not the same team we saw tonight. They had a stinker and the Giants took advantage. Like I said, I want to see what happens vs. Seattle to see if this was just a random thing or if the Giants might start to slowly dig their way out. I still think it's too late.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
guys are reading too much into every single word or sentence Ben says. You thanks Eli gives a shit? He’s played 14 seasons, won 2 titles. A coach saying he stuck to the gameplan doesn’t mean shit to him. He can handle it, probably better than any QB in the league. Relax.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
I wouldn't read too much into that. Mac just seems to get off on being an uptight hardass in front of the press
Flowers looks like he’s starting to get it?! If he can continue to improve, it would be tremendous for the future of this line. Jones played well, Pugh played well at RT and Fluker played well. Hart was a healthy scratch and rightfully so.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
There's a hell of a lot more to playing QB than just completing passes. Calling audibles at the line, directing the blocking, getting his young WRs lined up properly, etc.
Eli wasn't asked to be great tonight, but they did expect him to play well and he did. His coach should have acknowledged it rather than take is as some kind of a challenge to his previous assessments.
But the franchise QB is the measuring stick for everyone else in the locker room. The coach has to be tough on him just to show that anyone can be held accountable. The other part of the equation is that he gets paid the most. That's the food chain.
Flowers looks like he’s starting to get it?! If he can continue to improve, it would be tremendous for the future of this line. Jones played well, Pugh played well at RT and Fluker played well. Hart was a healthy scratch and rightfully so.
Hart and Jerry need to stay on the sidelines, the line works better without them
Yeah were an offensive juggernaut 13 points and 12 first downs .. Â
Game ball to Mac are you kidding me for what giving up the
play calling ? Why the hell did he put Hart back in there
the line looked much better against a better Eagles front
because of the play of Pugh vs Brandon Graham .
What did happen is that the run game showed some signs of
life enough to keep the defense from dying out on the
field in the 4th quarter .
The defense gave up a lot of passing yards but Trevor Siemian
doesn't have a gun for an arm and we did a great job in the
red zone . It was nice to get the Monkey off the back but
this was not the best team we played this year .
But the franchise QB is the measuring stick for everyone else in the locker room. The coach has to be tough on him just to show that anyone can be held accountable. The other part of the equation is that he gets paid the most. That's the food chain.
Anyway nobody should be protected on a 1-5 team.
The coach has to be tough on his QB after a win in which his QB made no mistakes?
Yeah that makes sense.
In any event, it's bedtime for me.
Great win tonight and a GOOD game by Eli.
RE: Yeah were an offensive juggernaut 13 points and 12 first downs .. Â
Game ball to Mac are you kidding me for what giving up the
play calling ? Why the hell did he put Hart back in there
the line looked much better against a better Eagles front
because of the play of Pugh vs Brandon Graham .
What did happen is that the run game showed some signs of
life enough to keep the defense from dying out on the
field in the 4th quarter .
The defense gave up a lot of passing yards but Trevor Siemian
doesn't have a gun for an arm and we did a great job in the
red zone . It was nice to get the Monkey off the back but
this was not the best team we played this year .
Do you always compose your commentary in the form and structure of a really long haiku?
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
There's a hell of a lot more to playing QB than just completing passes. Calling audibles at the line, directing the blocking, getting his young WRs lined up properly, etc.
Eli wasn't asked to be great tonight, but they did expect him to play well and he did. His coach should have acknowledged it rather than take is as some kind of a challenge to his previous assessments.
He always calls audible, sets protections, and organizes the offense. Why does that merit special recognition? It's not like Eli seeks praise or cares to get special attention. I'm not being argumentative, I just don't understand why this is a bone to pick. He was fine. Did exactly what he needed to do to win.
If anyone deserves a pick me up it's the offensive line.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
I wouldn't read too much into that. Mac just seems to get off on being an uptight hardass in front of the press
He seems to just get off on being an oblivious douche.
He made that clear when he had his ass glued to the sidelines when OBJ was injured and being carted off, then he doubled back on that when he could barely be bothered to talk to the team about what was going with one of its best defenders.
The constant, even if subtle, Eli digs are just some extra sugar on it.
Mac has been here since 2014. If Eli and McAdoo had some kind of Â
personality clash, or said/did things that Eli was unhappy with, he would never, ever have been considered for the job after TC. Eli's not some kid that gets pushed around and sat in the corner. He may go about his business quietly, but he can take care of himself.
No one should be either surprised or depressed that the wideouts Â
It is really nice to get a win. We've lost the last 6 dating back to last season. I'm so used to losing that I actually was in fear of them losing after the Denver TD.
On to Seattle where I am certain that Richard Sherman is having nightmares about having to cover our wide receivers.
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But the franchise QB is the measuring stick for everyone else in the locker room. The coach has to be tough on him just to show that anyone can be held accountable. The other part of the equation is that he gets paid the most. That's the food chain.
Anyway nobody should be protected on a 1-5 team.
Good point. Especially after a week when there was a lot of chatter and chirping from the locker room.
I've been waiting for him to jump out and he looked like a consistent force tonight against a very good run team. made a few "wow" plays
That's what I was waiting to see from a 2nd round pick
Also saw what Keenan Robinson means to this D. Having him back in the flow is huge, looks like he's got his legs under him now. he played a great game
As an offensive-minded head coach, and in particular a QBs coach, if he really wanted to lose a locker room, he could do that by appearing to have any favor or excuse-making for anything or any one on the offensive side of the ball, especially when it's clear that for the last two years, your best unit and most of your best players are your defense.
That's precisely how you lose credibility in the eyes of your players.
I've been tough on McAdoo but one thing strategically he's done very well to counter great pass rush is the quick snap. He schooled the Eagles with that and again used it very effectively vs DEN. Played a big role, when DEN was able to get pressure it was when we stood at the LOS and let them get a jump
credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
100% agree with you. I thought it was going to be a blowout. This was a very impressive victory, one that I'm going back thru my own memory bank to think of one that came out of no where in what looked like a lost season. Maybe 1996 vs. the Cowboys when Dave Brown beat them at Giants Stadium. Maybe the season finale vs. the KC Chiefs in Handley's last win as a head coach when they blew out the playoff bound team and Rodney Hampton ran wild. This was your typical "any given Sunday" win by the Giants, which usually doesn't work out for the Giants.
I'm happy they won, I would never have thought so. They played tough and were the better team on the field. But that still doesn't eliminate the fact that the Bronco team which shellacked Dallas a few weeks back was not the same team we saw tonight. They had a stinker and the Giants took advantage. Like I said, I want to see what happens vs. Seattle to see if this was just a random thing or if the Giants might start to slowly dig their way out. I still think it's too late.
What drivel.
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credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
This is BBI... 98% of the people here would rather drink from a toilet bowl than admit McAdoo did a good job Sunday night or that he isn't the worst coach in the history of mankind. It's silly. People can never admit when they're wrong or more simply give someone a little credit. Most people during the week said he "lost the team" or "couldn't motivate the team" and we saw that was clearly horseshit. I wouldn't waste a second trying to say McAdoo is Vince Lombardi, but most of the garbage written about him here the past week was so over the top it was ridiculous.
Although there is always someone with there thong stuck in there ass that can only find negativity , I agree with TTH it will be a different story next week . At least we get Seattle at home there defense
is still pretty damn good and Wilson can be a thorn with his ability to run and keep plays going .
Trash talking is part of the game and I have no doubt Denver
was talking shit at the start . Was happy for Darkwa and the
finally sat Hart this guy is not a Tackle period . If Flowers can continue to improve and be steady it will give us much
needed freedom in the draft . Were not gonna win a lot of games if you don't get your WR's involved more . Give them a bit of a pass but King Lewis need to step up there play
going forward .
one thing is pretty clear to me. This team has a lot more depth and talent than some of us insisted on believing. I don't care how flat Denver was, you don't go into their house with half your team on the shelf and win unless you have talent.
Trying to get past the first 5 games but I can't. I'm miserable at how unprepared and lost this team was. I don't think they should have won all the games obviously, maybe not even half...but they had to win more game and be at 2-4 right now.
Whatever what's done is done. Was hoping our HC wouldn't be going through on the job training in year 2 but it is what it is....hopefully this team catches a few breaks these next few weeks and gets back to 4-5. They appear to have turned a corner. NExt week is another chance to salvage the season.
This game tells me more about Denver than it does the Giants Â
Looking at it through their lense what a pitiful loss. I guess I’m happy we won’t be 0-16, but I think 49er and Brown fans enjoyed that as much if not more than I did last night. We still have a lot of losses coming our way. I’d still prefer 3-13 over 6-10
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credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
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Fluker has been playing for a couple of weeks now. Pugh finished the game at RT last week when Hart got hurt. And he played RT when Hart was hurt the weeks before, IIRC
Darkwa and Gallman had 30 carries tonight.
Darkwa, Gallman, and Vereen had 24 carries last week.
Gallman, Vereen, & Perkins had 25 carries the week before that.
They didn't just commit to running the ball tonight.
The biggest difference is actually the defense playing better.
The running game was working last week when Hart was in the game. In fact, the right side was blocking better for runs than the left side last week. I think Fluker may well be making a difference.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
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Fluker has been playing for a couple of weeks now. Pugh finished the game at RT last week when Hart got hurt. And he played RT when Hart was hurt the weeks before, IIRC
Darkwa and Gallman had 30 carries tonight.
Darkwa, Gallman, and Vereen had 24 carries last week.
Gallman, Vereen, & Perkins had 25 carries the week before that.
They didn't just commit to running the ball tonight.
The biggest difference is actually the defense playing better.
The running game was working last week when Hart was in the game. In fact, the right side was blocking better for runs than the left side last week. I think Fluker may well be making a difference.
Fluker's a snow plow as a run blocker, so it's not a surprise, but if he's going to play, you have to call a run-heavy offense because he'll get exposed on as many passes as McAdoo seemed to want to throw.
At least now they seem to be playing to presumed strengths, but I don't think they're good enough to run even when the other team knows it's coming.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
Except for the delay of games, Eli played smart. He does not know his WRs, except Lewis, in game situations. I'll give Eli credit for game management tonight. By next week he may know the WRs better and they may know the routes better. Seattle will also need to commit to covering Engram...
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credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
100% agree with you. I thought it was going to be a blowout. This was a very impressive victory, one that I'm going back thru my own memory bank to think of one that came out of no where in what looked like a lost season. Maybe 1996 vs. the Cowboys when Dave Brown beat them at Giants Stadium. Maybe the season finale vs. the KC Chiefs in Handley's last win as a head coach when they blew out the playoff bound team and Rodney Hampton ran wild. This was your typical "any given Sunday" win by the Giants, which usually doesn't work out for the Giants.
I'm happy they won, I would never have thought so. They played tough and were the better team on the field. But that still doesn't eliminate the fact that the Bronco team which shellacked Dallas a few weeks back was not the same team we saw tonight. They had a stinker and the Giants took advantage. Like I said, I want to see what happens vs. Seattle to see if this was just a random thing or if the Giants might start to slowly dig their way out. I still think it's too late.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
It looked like he hit the guy with a knockout punch
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
I wouldn't read too much into that. Mac just seems to get off on being an uptight hardass in front of the press
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In comment 13651017 Jim in Tampa said:
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
There's a hell of a lot more to playing QB than just completing passes. Calling audibles at the line, directing the blocking, getting his young WRs lined up properly, etc.
Eli wasn't asked to be great tonight, but they did expect him to play well and he did. His coach should have acknowledged it rather than take is as some kind of a challenge to his previous assessments.
Anyway nobody should be protected on a 1-5 team.
Hart and Jerry need to stay on the sidelines, the line works better without them
play calling ? Why the hell did he put Hart back in there
the line looked much better against a better Eagles front
because of the play of Pugh vs Brandon Graham .
What did happen is that the run game showed some signs of
life enough to keep the defense from dying out on the
field in the 4th quarter .
The defense gave up a lot of passing yards but Trevor Siemian
doesn't have a gun for an arm and we did a great job in the
red zone . It was nice to get the Monkey off the back but
this was not the best team we played this year .
Anyway nobody should be protected on a 1-5 team.
The coach has to be tough on his QB after a win in which his QB made no mistakes?
Yeah that makes sense.
In any event, it's bedtime for me.
Great win tonight and a GOOD game by Eli.
play calling ? Why the hell did he put Hart back in there
the line looked much better against a better Eagles front
because of the play of Pugh vs Brandon Graham .
What did happen is that the run game showed some signs of
life enough to keep the defense from dying out on the
field in the 4th quarter .
The defense gave up a lot of passing yards but Trevor Siemian
doesn't have a gun for an arm and we did a great job in the
red zone . It was nice to get the Monkey off the back but
this was not the best team we played this year .
Do you always compose your commentary in the form and structure of a really long haiku?
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
You're right. It's soooo easy, any QB could have done it.
My point was, after Ben was a bit of a jerk throwing Eli under the bus for a few weeks, he should have been looking for an opportunity to pump up his QB, not knock him down again.
I never said it was so easy anyone could do it. What I said is the truth. He didn't have to do a lot, since they had nobody to throw to. The offense was clearly run through the ground game. Don't take it like it's an insult. It would be obviously fake complements to present it like it was some great performance.
There's a hell of a lot more to playing QB than just completing passes. Calling audibles at the line, directing the blocking, getting his young WRs lined up properly, etc.
Eli wasn't asked to be great tonight, but they did expect him to play well and he did. His coach should have acknowledged it rather than take is as some kind of a challenge to his previous assessments.
He always calls audible, sets protections, and organizes the offense. Why does that merit special recognition? It's not like Eli seeks praise or cares to get special attention. I'm not being argumentative, I just don't understand why this is a bone to pick. He was fine. Did exactly what he needed to do to win.
If anyone deserves a pick me up it's the offensive line.
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Wow. Ben just can't give Eli a compliment. Would it hurt to say that he played a good game?
With only 19 attempts for 128 yards, all he had to do was steer the bus, if we're being honest.
I don't think Eli deserves much talk one way or another for tonight, but that was definitely another unnecessary backhanded compliment from McAdoo.
At this point, there really is no denying there's something wrong there and Ben would probably jump at another QB if Mara let him (he won't, at least not this season).
I wouldn't read too much into that. Mac just seems to get off on being an uptight hardass in front of the press
He seems to just get off on being an oblivious douche.
He made that clear when he had his ass glued to the sidelines when OBJ was injured and being carted off, then he doubled back on that when he could barely be bothered to talk to the team about what was going with one of its best defenders.
The constant, even if subtle, Eli digs are just some extra sugar on it.
I’m just watching the TV of BM at the podium and I’m pretty sure you’re right. No love for JR.
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I’m just watching the TV of BM at the podium and I’m pretty sure you’re right. No love for JR.
I don't think there's anyone in the Giants front office that Jordan Raanan hasn't pissed off. Reese, Flowers, and now McAdoo.
On to Seattle where I am certain that Richard Sherman is having nightmares about having to cover our wide receivers.
Anyway nobody should be protected on a 1-5 team.
Good point. Especially after a week when there was a lot of chatter and chirping from the locker room.
That's what I was waiting to see from a 2nd round pick
Also saw what Keenan Robinson means to this D. Having him back in the flow is huge, looks like he's got his legs under him now. he played a great game
That's precisely how you lose credibility in the eyes of your players.
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credit MacAdoo for getting this team to play and win tonight against all odds, loses any credibility going forward when discussing the coach.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
I'm happy the Giants won, but what we saw was McAdoo either finally relent on being too friggin stubborn as a head coach to delegate the play calling duties, or he was forced to. Either way, it worked out for the Giants because they won. It also helped Denver played like shit and the Giants defense stepped up.
Bottom line, McAdoo was making the same mistake Ray Handley made 25+ years ago when he refused to give up his offensive coordinator job and tried to do both and subsequently couldn't manage the whole roster and lost the team. Handley finally gave it up in his 2nd year, by letting Jim Fassel take over, but the horse had left the barn. It remains to be seen if McAdoo will suffer the same fate, but for this one night, it finally came together for a win. Like I said, let's see what happens at home vs. Seattle and was this just a flash in the pan.
You gotta be fair Matt. You said all week this game would be a blood bath. And saying Denver is flat is BS, while it may be true, it doesn't make the victory less impressive.
100% agree with you. I thought it was going to be a blowout. This was a very impressive victory, one that I'm going back thru my own memory bank to think of one that came out of no where in what looked like a lost season. Maybe 1996 vs. the Cowboys when Dave Brown beat them at Giants Stadium. Maybe the season finale vs. the KC Chiefs in Handley's last win as a head coach when they blew out the playoff bound team and Rodney Hampton ran wild. This was your typical "any given Sunday" win by the Giants, which usually doesn't work out for the Giants.
I'm happy they won, I would never have thought so. They played tough and were the better team on the field. But that still doesn't eliminate the fact that the Bronco team which shellacked Dallas a few weeks back was not the same team we saw tonight. They had a stinker and the Giants took advantage. Like I said, I want to see what happens vs. Seattle to see if this was just a random thing or if the Giants might start to slowly dig their way out. I still think it's too late.
What drivel.
I wouldn't read too much into that. Mac just seems to get off on being an uptight hardass in front of the press
Who wouldn't be a jackass to people like Pat Leonard, who recently wrote a "The Giants are 0-6 since Odell boat ride" article.
You what to blame him for all the poor football this season, you've got to credit him tonight.
He showed a lot tonight.
Fortunately the players on the team aren t as easy to give up as fans are.
This is BBI... 98% of the people here would rather drink from a toilet bowl than admit McAdoo did a good job Sunday night or that he isn't the worst coach in the history of mankind. It's silly. People can never admit when they're wrong or more simply give someone a little credit. Most people during the week said he "lost the team" or "couldn't motivate the team" and we saw that was clearly horseshit. I wouldn't waste a second trying to say McAdoo is Vince Lombardi, but most of the garbage written about him here the past week was so over the top it was ridiculous.
is still pretty damn good and Wilson can be a thorn with his ability to run and keep plays going .
Trash talking is part of the game and I have no doubt Denver
was talking shit at the start . Was happy for Darkwa and the
finally sat Hart this guy is not a Tackle period . If Flowers can continue to improve and be steady it will give us much
needed freedom in the draft . Were not gonna win a lot of games if you don't get your WR's involved more . Give them a bit of a pass but King Lewis need to step up there play
going forward .
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Sounds ominous.
Trying to get past the first 5 games but I can't. I'm miserable at how unprepared and lost this team was. I don't think they should have won all the games obviously, maybe not even half...but they had to win more game and be at 2-4 right now.
Whatever what's done is done. Was hoping our HC wouldn't be going through on the job training in year 2 but it is what it is....hopefully this team catches a few breaks these next few weeks and gets back to 4-5. They appear to have turned a corner. NExt week is another chance to salvage the season.