Ben McAdoo simply doesn't get it

maybe he finally learned he wasn't OC any more....

it would be alarming, but saying it to the media means very little to me. Any coach on any team in any sport shouldn't be judged by how they speak to the media.

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The Jets would lose games but Rex always talked about how well the defense played. Hey, buddy? You aren't a coordinator anymore.

He cannot just admit that his play calling was stale and predictable. Give Sullivan credit for having a good game plan and sticking with the runs and getting engram in space. The sooner mcadoo leaves the better this team will be. To say the team needed me is laughable and ignorant.

A little too much.

I’ve been Uber critical of this guy and have called for him to be fired. But how jaded have we become. He finally does something of a positive nature and against a team that ranks in the top five statistically on both sides of the ball. And, for the most part, the Giants dominate the game on both sides of the ball and jlukes posts McAdoo simply doesn’t get.

If that’s the case I hope he doesn’t get it for the next ten weeks. Boy oh boy in the face of extreme adversity and everyone writing this teams obituary, all the dysfunction, the coach has lost the team, has lost his locker room, and then pulls the team together to put up a performance like the did last night as a twelve point under dog and wins by 13, I’d have to conclude he doesn’t get it either.

The guy just led his team to a most improbable victory, one in which 99% of the media, fans and especially bbi gave them no chance

He deserves praise today but the detractors having Spoken with such certainty about his not being fit for the job and clamored for his immediate dismissal will not do that.

People grow into jobs, MacAdoo took a big step forward last night.

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who knew Perkins was our 4th best RB, not 1st

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what a shock....to improve our running was to play our best run blocker

ditch the ego and maybe people get behind you

If you read the quotes in the paper today I think his players were pretty much behind him last night.

does anyone at Giants HQ coach him at all about these pressers? Is he getting any advice whatsoever about what he should be saying, or do they give him full reign as the HC to say whatever he wants?

I'm stuck between 'what a tool' and 'someone had to force him to say that'. I find it hard to believe someone would willingly offer up that response to that question, although seeing some of his past statements it certainly fits.

as in, I had to help coach the defense and ST too for a change

but agree, whatever he meant, it doesn't come across well

and you guys cant continuously take quotes out of context.

Pretty sure there is alot more to being a HC then just playcalling. Releasing those duties does not mean Ben Macadoo all of a sudden has nothing better to do then to micromanage the other units.

just a strange comment...

Nothing more or less. What would he say - "I suck at calling plays"? Give him a small amount of credit, at least, for finally recognizing that a change was drastically needed. Of course, this should have been done weeks ago and before the top four receivers got injured....

you are making a mountain out of a mole hill

would the excuse be if we won the game by 20? 30? McAdoo had a great game plan and we soundly beat the Broncos in Denver without 3 of our best players. Christ.

In comment 13651289 gidiefor said:

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you are making a mountain out of a mole hill

When it comes to individual statements, I do agree with you to some extent - they seem microanalyzed to the point of over interpretation - you can take anything he says the wrong way if you choose to.

At the same time - looking at all of the statements he makes - he seems to be overly combative with the press, and goes to great lengths to not say the obvious or pay some players compliments at times. Words are free - to go out and say this guy had a great game, or those guys did a great job - even after a loss - isn't going to hurt anyone. That's why I wonder if he has anyone helping him, because if he doesn't, he needs someone.

If he implies that the only reason he gave up the play calling this week was because the whole team "needed him" (presumably to address the DRC suspension) it allows him to save face and not have to address the fact that the HC calling the plays wasn't working.

It sounds a lot better than, "I gave up the play calling because I suck at it."

A head coach's job isn't to make the fans feel good after a presser. If it were, Bill Belichick would have been fired years ago. In New York, his job is to minimize saying anything controversial. Deliberate or not, he appears to be following the BB approach of less is good, and after last night it's hard to argue that he somehow lost the team during their 0-5 start.

In comment 13651300 Jim in Tampa said:

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If he implies that the only reason he gave up the play calling this week was because the whole team "needed him" (presumably to address the DRC suspension) it allows him to save face and not have to address the fact that the HC calling the plays wasn't working. It sounds a lot better than, "I gave up the play calling because I suck at it."

Yeah, but is it materially any different? Why not go with the old 'it wasn't working, so we tried something else'?

The silly part is it encourages a cycle with the reporters - so they just jump on it and ask the same stupid type questions, and getting the same stupid type answers. Quite honestly, it makes them all look like idiots.

he's going to look like such an idiot.

In comment 13651310 jcn56 said:

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In comment 13651300 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: If he implies that the only reason he gave up the play calling this week was because the whole team "needed him" (presumably to address the DRC suspension) it allows him to save face and not have to address the fact that the HC calling the plays wasn't working. It sounds a lot better than, "I gave up the play calling because I suck at it." Yeah, but is it materially any different? Why not go with the old 'it wasn't working, so we tried something else'? The silly part is it encourages a cycle with the reporters - so they just jump on it and ask the same stupid type questions, and getting the same stupid type answers. Quite honestly, it makes them all look like idiots.

I'm not saying that it's what Ben SHOULD have said, I'm just guessing as to WHY he said what he said. I watched his presser live and you could tell that he was anticipating that question and had that response ready to serve up.

and make up your own mind!!

I did and it was the first time I watched him speak. This guy is tone deaf and clueless as to how to handle the media and people. He is Tom Coughlin 2005. The whole Giant fan base is smiling and he couldn't crack a grin or have a sparkle in his eyes. Nothing. Everyone around him is doing a happy dance. Ben? Stone faced, grim, short with answers.

Lighten up!!!

In comment 13651312 Ira said:

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he's going to look like such an idiot.

McAdoo already said that Sully would be handling the play calling next week.

I would be combative with the media too. Our NY market is part of the problem with all NY sports teams and most of their delusional fans.

In comment 13651327 Rory said:

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I would be combative with the media too. Our NY market is part of the problem with all NY sports teams and most of their delusional fans.

It is not just NY media. It is all sports. Don't think NY has the market cornered here.

Bottom line is if Mac says, "As head coach I need to be focused on the entire team" he is fine. Since he used the words of, everyone needed me, he gets crucified. Ya'll are some whiney people.

In comment 13651324 JohnB said:

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and make up your own mind!! I did and it was the first time I watched him speak. This guy is tone deaf and clueless as to how to handle the media and people. He is Tom Coughlin 2005. The whole Giant fan base is smiling and he couldn't crack a grin or have a sparkle in his eyes. Nothing. Everyone around him is doing a happy dance. Ben? Stone faced, grim, short with answers. Lighten up!!!

I agree that he definitely needs to "lighten up" but a reporter (Raanan?) repeatedly asking McAdoo to smile at the beginning of the presser was just weird.

Imagine how TC would have responded to a reporter suggesting that he needed to smile?

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But read several defensive players reading it as a positive.

Myabe they felt offense was favored.

In comment 13651289 gidiefor said:

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you are making a mountain out of a mole hill

It is pretty apparent that instead of just doing something he had to give a reason that didn't say what we are doing now isn't working so we are changing things up. It is basically making a change because "others needed me", when in reality it was because your offense has sucked for over a year!

BTW- the offense didn't do anything special, what they did was old school run the ball. That is how you protect your defense some and play field position football.

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The offense has scored 28 points since he’s been the coach. Him and his whole scheme are the problem.

In comment 13651334 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 13651324 JohnB said: Quote: and make up your own mind!! I did and it was the first time I watched him speak. This guy is tone deaf and clueless as to how to handle the media and people. He is Tom Coughlin 2005. The whole Giant fan base is smiling and he couldn't crack a grin or have a sparkle in his eyes. Nothing. Everyone around him is doing a happy dance. Ben? Stone faced, grim, short with answers. Lighten up!!! I agree that he definitely needs to "lighten up" but a reporter (Raanan?) repeatedly asking McAdoo to smile at the beginning of the presser was just weird. Imagine how TC would have responded to a reporter suggesting that he needed to smile?

Agreed! And it was the first question. He could have done better.

It almost never works when a HC is also the OC or DC. Even the great defensive minded Bill Belichick has a DC.

Guys like Rex Ryan and his father, Buddy, who coach one side of the team are never great head coaches.

Let's hope McAdoo has finally learned to coach the whole team. Too bad it took us being 0-5 (and who knows if there was pressure from above).

as in great head coaches. There may have been a couple exceptions. I believe Bill Walsh called plays when HC of the 49ers, but he was an all time great, who had years of experience.

In comment 13651309 CT Charlie said:

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A head coach's job isn't to make the fans feel good after a presser. If it were, Bill Belichick would have been fired years ago. In New York, his job is to minimize saying anything controversial. Deliberate or not, he appears to be following the BB approach of less is good, and after last night it's hard to argue that he somehow lost the team during their 0-5 start.

If you think Belichick would get away with that schtick if he didn't have more rings than he could count, I've got a nice bridge for you, pickup today cash on delivery.

He doesn't have to make anyone feel good - he should make an attempt to not antagonize the press who are only going to feed off of that and go after him harder for it. It's stupid and pointless.

And so much for the idiots who said the 'team has given up on him.'

Whenever the side of the football they coached prior to becoming a HC struggles, they have a tendency to get tunnel vision trying to fix that issue that they fail to give the requisite attention the other responsibilities of being a head coach. If you look at coaches like Coughlin or Little Bill early in their career as head coaches you had the same concerns that they were ignoring one side of the ball. Mike Shannahan for years ignored his defense.

This offense is still very suspect it's the 1st time we
actually won in the trenches . The pick Six allowed us to continue to run the ball . It took 5 games to finally play
some inspired football . His personal use and decision making
along with his play calling makes me want a fresh start from
Reese and the entire staff .
The fact that he calls Eli out the guy is an ass wipe I pray they shit can him !

In comment 13651312 Ira said:

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he's going to look like such an idiot.

That's my concern ... "This week..." WTF? his arrogance will be his own undoing it seems .... because his ego is like I can do that and still be HC .... I still think he needs to go .... he may be a good HC someday but this is not his time yet

He is the HC, which by default means the whole team. Was he only working with the offense? Why wasn't he working at the next level with the entire team? Could this be why the defense seems to be at a rift with him?

when asked about the change. You didn't think he was going to tell a reporter that he fired himself as the O-play caller; not the guy that can't admit to his mistakes and routinely throws his QB under the bus?

Considering that the team shouldn't have showed up or given any effort because McAdoo didn't see how Odell was doing on the field, it's shocking they even boarded the plane, let alone won.

I’ve no asshat info, full discloser, I’m just some fan on BBI. But my guess is things went something like this: ownership / Reese said to BM, “we think the entire team needs you this week, it’s your decision, but we think it would be a really good idea to turn over the play calling to Sully”. I’m reasonably certain he has essentially told to turn over play calling to Sully.

The play calling should have been turned over after posting last season’s bottom of the NFL offense. It was hugely arrogant that McAdoo didn’t figure this out in the off season but hey, he’s young and learning on the job. But as this season has gone from game one on through to last night, it’s been pretty obvious that they needed to try Sully at calling plays and have Ben pay more attention to Teams and Defense and game time management.

We’ll never know how the season might have gone had McAdoo turned over the play calling at the beginning of the season.

BTW, he said in his post game presser that Sully would call plays from now on.

but that aside I give him credit for 2 things.

1. The team came out and played hard when it seemed like there was a mutiny brewing. So maybe his communication with the press (and fans) is just not as good as his communications are with his team. The latter can overcome the former.

2. He's been way to slow to make necessary changes, but once he does make them they are typically good adjustments (the offense got much better in the 2nd halves of each the first 3 games of the year).

I am by no means sold on him, but this win did prove something.

nonsense that he lost the team or the players don't respect him. Last year, in his FIRST season as a coach, he had good command of that team and the locker room, or so it appeared. This thing with DRC is clearly a DRC issue.

The Team needed him to be HC...not an OC.

Understand what people are thinking based on a quote when they don't know who is speaking as a person, and the context is. I think the HC meant that he needed to spend a lot of time with individual players and raising morale and less time in the mechanics of game planning.

He doesn't like the media which if you ever dealt with the media you would understand. Just watch a national press conference with arrogant ignorant bottom feeders who think they know more than what the Presidentdoes. CertainlyGenerals Kelley andMathis deal laconically with media which IMO is what the lower third of the class deserves.

Perhaps the HC should have used his time as he did this week sooner and not be a "micro manager". We'll see over the next weeks how the HC handles the locker room and team organization. I

strikes me as a fairly narcissistic statement, given the current realities on the team, but I honestly don't care. He made the right decision. If he needs to justify it that way to the press, whatever.