Something To Think About

Maybe the Giants should eliminate all shiny objects?

the Broncos defense seemed confused that he was not on the field and had to look at film at a bunch of guys they never heard of and never saw play before. When you game plan for one guy, then that guy is gone...then what?

completed two passes to WRs. That was admittedly against Denver's "no fly" secondary on the road, but does anybody think that's the proverbial "winning formula" going forward? We have nothing right now at WR. It's the Evan Engram show.

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brings this point up today.

This was bound to come up, and the answer is no, this is not addition by subtraction. Eli threw for 128 yards last night and had two receptions by receivers. The defense played their best game since week 17 last year and the running game was dominant last night. There is no causation between Odell being injured and the team's performance last night.

It's apparently still The Odell Beckham Show

In comment 13651386 silverfox said:

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the Broncos defense seemed confused that he was not on the field and had to look at film at a bunch of guys they never heard of and never saw play before. When you game plan for one guy, then that guy is gone...then what?

Then you can play single coverage, overload the box, stuff the running game and make Eli run for his life.

The issue last night wasn't strategy - it's something we've seen the Giants do many, many times.

The Bronco's played down to weaker competition, and the Giants rose to the challenge.

As of last night, the Giants are now a nasty spoiler.

I don't buy that being the reason we won.

More so of Denver throwing some bad picks, the defense playing well, the Giants tackling much better and the offensive line allowing for better running and ball control. We'll see if the formula works again next week,

we can go on any sustained streak with such little production out of the WRs

if we can continue to run the ball and our defense plays the way they did last night. The shuffling of the O-Line and the way they stepped up could, if continued, really make this season interesting. It was actually fun to watch last night, as surprising as it was.

and OV were the reason the defense and Brad Wing wasn't playing well too

yeah -- the offensive line played like dog crap for 5 games because of OBJ -- that all makes a lot of (non)sense

OBJ changes the D by stepping on the field. The difference was the multiple TE set. Engram and Ellison on the field together made a huge difference. They can pass and run effectively. IF oBJ had been on the field the score 30+ last night.

and think it applies to Paul Perkins, because it seemed McAdoo wasn't going to change PT until Perkins got hurt. I also believe it applied to Shockey back in '07.

But I don't think subtracting Odell is an addition.

than the absence of OBJ. Giants didn't rely so heavy on the passing game last night (mainly because they didn't really have on outside of Engram) and the running game finally showed up. It's a great recipe, but you still need an outside threat or teams will start staking the line with 8-9 guys.

I lost iq points in the process.

Odell's helmet to the game? Must be cause they hate him and find him a distraction, right?
Odell's Helmet - ( New Window )

Take away Darkwa's long run and we barely broke 100 yards on the ground. Our passing game was anemic -- 11 completions for 128 yards. On offense we gained only 200 yards in total after our first drive (fg), earned 12 first downs all game, and we scored only 1 offensive touchdown. But our defense played stout, Denver's QB played badly, we made no turnovers and forced three, and the pick-6 surely turned the tide of belief.

a Broncos team that hadn't scored a TD since week 4!

And we compiled an astounding 15 first downs on 2 passes to WR's.

They most definitely missed Beckham.

12 first downs

can't bail them out.

Then so be it...

you stated..

Teh Giants relied on OBJ to overcome issues with the, the play calling etc. Without him , and the rest of the starting crew at WR, it became far more important to get the run game going and take advantage of formations and play calls. I think Odell being out forced the Giants to change things that should have been changed with Odell present.

In comment 13651393 AcidTest said:

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completed two passes to WRs. That was admittedly against Denver's "no fly" secondary on the road, but does anybody think that's the proverbial "winning formula" going forward? We have nothing right now at WR. It's the Evan Engram show.

You adjust your formula based on your opponent. NYG took what Denver gave them and that is a winning formula.

In comment 13651514 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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a Broncos team that hadn't scored a TD since week 4! And we compiled an astounding 15 first downs on 2 passes to WR's. They most definitely missed Beckham.

It is only Week 6. Not like they hadn't scored a TD since week 4 and this was week 10.

they won because the defense and special teams stepped up and Sullivan called the plays, the majority of which were runs, not to mention the rejigged offensive line did a solid job in run support.

In comment 13651575 Les in TO said:

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they won because the defense and special teams stepped up and Sullivan called the plays, the majority of which were runs, not to mention the rejigged offensive line did a solid job in run support.

So did we get to see the "real" offense that you guaranteed we'd see last night, without Beckham, who has been the entire offense for the past three years according to you?

The packers should be excited to not have the Aaron Rodgers show to distract them anymore?

that would be Hart, Richburg, Perkins and maybe even Marshall. Odell? Not even close. He is the best non-QB offensive player in the league

An Odell Beckham who goes onto the field and just plays the game would be one of if not THE best weapon in the game.

It is completely feasible that Odell Beckham acting like a fool every time you turn your head can create a negative team environment and atmosphere that carries over to the field. It could break concentration to wonder what he is doing and create frustration to see him get celebration penalties like they are candy corn on Halloween.

In comment 13651802 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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An Odell Beckham who goes onto the field and just plays the game would be one of if not THE best weapon in the game. It is completely feasible that Odell Beckham acting like a fool every time you turn your head can create a negative team environment and atmosphere that carries over to the field. It could break concentration to wonder what he is doing and create frustration to see him get celebration penalties like they are candy corn on Halloween.

This^^^^^^^

lets blame the best player on the offense rather than blame the HC who completely torpedoed this season by running the most pathetic, challenged and lost offense in NYG recent history--maybe EVER when you factor in how much talent is on this offense.

Yes. Lets blame Beckham.

I can't take this anymore.

In comment 13651818 Stan in LA said:

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In comment 13651802 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: An Odell Beckham who goes onto the field and just plays the game would be one of if not THE best weapon in the game. It is completely feasible that Odell Beckham acting like a fool every time you turn your head can create a negative team environment and atmosphere that carries over to the field. It could break concentration to wonder what he is doing and create frustration to see him get celebration penalties like they are candy corn on Halloween. This^^^^^^^

Actually it's not feasible. Not in the least. You're making shit up out of thin air.

It could break concentration?

Did you guys ever play sports? The best player does something goofy and it causes you to lose concentration?????

What the hell...

Guys, TALENT and coaching is what matters. All the other shit is noise or window dressing. Yes, locker room harmony and leadership can help especially in times of crisis, and yes, you want your players to be as close to perfect on and off the field if for no other reason just to ensure the players are as good as they can be. But please stop with this crap.

How many "dysfunctional" teams have we seen win championships? How many? I can think of at least a dozen that come to mind--these teams at one point were labeled as teams with too much in-fighting, or too many nut jobs or the locker rooms hated each other--or all three--they all had their share of issues that were drummed up by the media:

77 and 78 Yanks
86 Mets
86 Giants
Lakers with Shaq and Kobe
Bad boy Pistons
90's Pistons (remember when Rasheed Wallace was a Cancer? I do)

I'd keep going but I am getting bored.

except it's not due to a distraction and it's not just OBJ (although he's the big piece). I think it may have forced the team, Mac, Sully, etc. to look harder at what they have. It forced them to look at their new crop of TEs; Ellison, Adams, and Engram more because they seem to have forgotten what it's like to have quality TEs (yes I like all 3 better than what we had before). They know they can't air it out so they refocused on the OL for the run game. Fluker has always been better in the run game. So is Flowers. WRs are about speed but TEs are about power (even if Engram is fast). A dynamic passing attack is always fast as well (i.e. hurry up offense). A good run game is slow paced and methodical. I think losing OBJ (and others) caused a shift in the whole offensive philosophy. Let's see if it holds up though.

In comment 13651839 djm said:

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In comment 13651818 Stan in LA said: Quote: In comment 13651802 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: An Odell Beckham who goes onto the field and just plays the game would be one of if not THE best weapon in the game. It is completely feasible that Odell Beckham acting like a fool every time you turn your head can create a negative team environment and atmosphere that carries over to the field. It could break concentration to wonder what he is doing and create frustration to see him get celebration penalties like they are candy corn on Halloween. This^^^^^^^ Actually it's not feasible. Not in the least. You're making shit up out of thin air. It could break concentration? Did you guys ever play sports? The best player does something goofy and it causes you to lose concentration????? What the hell... Guys, TALENT and coaching is what matters. All the other shit is noise or window dressing. Yes, locker room harmony and leadership can help especially in times of crisis, and yes, you want your players to be as close to perfect on and off the field if for no other reason just to ensure the players are as good as they can be. But please stop with this crap. How many "dysfunctional" teams have we seen win championships? How many? I can think of at least a dozen that come to mind--these teams at one point were labeled as teams with too much in-fighting, or too many nut jobs or the locker rooms hated each other--or all three--they all had their share of issues that were drummed up by the media: 77 and 78 Yanks 86 Mets 86 Giants Lakers with Shaq and Kobe Bad boy Pistons 90's Pistons (remember when Rasheed Wallace was a Cancer? I do) I'd keep going but I am getting bored.

YES. It is feasible.

Read what you wrote.

"The best player does something goofy and it causes you to lose concentration?????"

Yes- these are men just like you and I. who see things, hear things and react to things. Let me put it to you this way; You're Damon Harrison and you are sitting on the bench with a coach going over your assignments and looking at video or pictures in preparation for the next series. You hear the crowd react and look at the screen to see Beckham peeing like a dog in the endzone. Your attention is now completely shifted to what crazy thing he is doing or will do next. THEN the flag comes out. Now you are PISSED that this guy made YOUR job more difficult and hung you out to try.

"All the other shit is noise or window dressing"

Have you ever tried to read or do something that requires concentration while unwanted noise is being made around you? Not so easy.

"Yes, locker room harmony and leadership can help especially in times of crisis"

What were we in at 0-5? Harmony? Of Course it was a crisis.

Sure a "dysfunctional" team can win. Sports is weird like that- Championships are born when circumstances meet talent. You listed 7 teams, out of hundreds that have won in the NFL, NBA and MLB.

All I wanted when I first saw Beckham play was for him to just keep his head down and be a great Giant. Quite frankly I don't care what he does when he is not at work, but in a team sport there becomes a point when the "look at me" attitude becomes selfish.

Eli completed something like two passes to WRs.

Unless you think the defense collectively despises Beckham in unprecedented fashion for some reason and his presence rots the coaching staff's brains beyond function, shut up with this nonsense.

is look to the Cowboys game this year and the Vikings game in 2015 to understand what losing Beckham means to a McAdoo offense.

Sullivan's play calling, utilizing 2 TE's most of the night helped mitigate the loss of Beckham.

Yet even then, we didn't break 20 points on offense, we had 2 receptions by WR's and we had a whopping 12 first downs.

Is the secret sauce is absolutely out of their mind crazy. They aren't winning a damn thing passing 19 times a game for 128 yards.

In comment 13651380 jcn56 said:

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Maybe the Giants should eliminate all shiny objects?

that is why Toomer was so focused.

"what is Odell like as a teammate"....

"He's awesome"... and then proceeds to talk about him babysitting his son, his family, and his values.

but hey who cares what TEAMMATES think of the guy... lets just make up false narratives instead.