much until the past couple games?
He absolutely blew up the DE (Gotsis?) on that 47 yard Darkwa run.
and he had a good block on the run from the Giants goal line (or was that Jones?) after the 4th down stop to essentially seal the game.
I know fans always think they know what's best for the team, but when the guy fans have been wondering about being an improvement actually gets in the game and is an improvement I think it's worth asking.
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Wheeler. Pugh. Jones. Fluker Flowers
Run and road grade to the right
Again, fans are being a bit selective in their memory with Jerry. He wasn't an issue in pass pro last year. The issue was the outside tackles.
I'm not a fan of Jerry's. I'm merely explaining why.
Next week if Fluker gives up two sacks, I guarantee you there will be threads about how much Fluker sucks.
(See last week with the negative Engram threads and today the positive ones... we tend to over-react to only the last game).
I made no comments about Jerry, so no I'm not being selective with anything.
I guess in the end my criticism was about Hart (and possibly even Richburg).
If Hart was the weak link he should have been replaced sooner.
the OL configuration of Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Fluker, and Pugh is probably the best we've seen against a top rated defense in years.
And if Fluker allows two sacks next week it doesn't change the fact his blocking contributed in a significant way to opening up running lanes the Giants running backs haven't seen in a long time.
He regressed big time this year. I think they were hoping he'd snap back to 2016, but he proved that 2016 was just a contract year fluke.
I think the reason is that the Giants were fixated on this idea that the OL was going to grow together and for the sake of continuity and maturation they had to have the same guys playing together.
It is important to stick to a plan to give it time to come to fruition. But you also have to know when to abandon a plan. Giants waited too long.
I still don't get John Jerry, even cats are jealous of how many lives he has.
We made the inside handoff a key play and played close to the vest, focusing on physicality. (Like they did at Alabama.) Fluker can be an asset in that style of game.
This is a horseshit reason to keep playing Jerry.
The results seem pretty easy to see. They have been significantly more productive running the ball over three games facing good to really good defensive fronts.
But Fluker was impressive on the run blocking side of the game and Fluker and Pugh together were especially good, I thought.
And Jones was good too. Made me wonder if Richburg has been hurt all year and the coaches just waited too long to make this switch.
About Flowers to Right tackle ...
This is what I've been saying, since way-back in Preseason - that the O-line has the players on the roster capable of doing the job, but that they're just mis-placed.
It was only the injuries to (the struggling) Bobby Hart & Richburg that FORCED the issue - Pugh to Right tackle and Jerry to Left Guard, Jones to center, Fluker to RG and wah-la, things got better !
And yes, Wheeler to left tackle (he's quicker and better feet that Flowers); I want to see it. Remember when we had the "Bruise Brothers" on the right side - (McKinzie & Snee), !
I love how Fluker pancakes the Dlineman and then proceeds to jump over him. Boy was that a sight!
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...combined with Jerry's contract/already starter status probably caused them to favor him.
This is a horseshit reason to keep playing Jerry.
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I love how Fluker pancakes the Dlineman and then proceeds to jump over him. Boy was that a sight!
I stated this more than once, they re-signed the guy,
so he was going to start. I think they finally came to the conclusion that Hart actually does suck, so Pugh at RT again.
Hence, Fluker gets his chance to start.
But Fluker was impressive on the run blocking side of the game and Fluker and Pugh together were especially good, I thought.
And Jones was good too. Made me wonder if Richburg has been hurt all year and the coaches just waited too long to make this switch.
At least the guy is physical, can't say that about one other
member of this O Line!
Future line
Wheeler. Pugh. Jones. Fluker Flowers
Run and road grade to the right
YES !
My guess is what Sy and I have been talking about... Jerry is the better pass blocker, Fluker the better run blocker. And Fluker's inability to deal with stunts combined with Jerry's contract/already starter status probably caused them to favor him.
Right now, whether it be Richburg or Jones, replace Jerry with somebody good, and the Giants actually have an offensive line that may be above average.
Macadoo finally let a bit of his ego go by letting Sullivan handle the play calling, perhaps 3 weeks late, but better than never. And by way of injury, the O line gets shuffled and suddenly looks professional.
The coaches know best argument has been really weak this entire offseason, time to put it to bed. I dont want to hear it anymore. It no longer shuts down any counter argument.
My guess is what Sy and I have been talking about... Jerry is the better pass blocker, Fluker the better run blocker. And Fluker's inability to deal with stunts combined with Jerry's contract/already starter status probably caused them to favor him.
It's a good debate.
I think that having the better RUN BLOCKING OL on the field is more important. Besides controlling more of the Time of Possession, it also adds the best PASS BLOCKER to the field.. the play action pass.
It's not like Eli could have a tea party back there, anyway.. have the best run blockers out there, and mix up the plays and play action. ELI will have more time, and the ball will be moved more efficiently on the ground.
Yesterday our game plan was to run, especially given it was the first game without our top 3-4 WRs.
That was his game to shine, so to speak, and did well.
Hopefully another week of practice with WRs will let us pass attempt more to take pressure off the run and keep Hawks D guessing.
I know it.
Maybe if Sully is taking over, they can maintain the almost 2:1 ratio of Run:Pass.
and one of the sacks wasn't even on Fluker, it looked like Miller bull rushed Pugh, Eli stepped up into the pocket and Miller caught him.
I'm not saying Fluker played well in pass protection, but my point was John Jerry wasn't exactly Marshall Yanda at RG, in fact every game there was highlights of Jerry's poor play, and Hart's (and Richburg's and Flowers').
So by shuffling the line this way, it seems they can take advantage of more individual strengths than prior alignments.
Doesn't matter, just hope the line continues to gel, individuals improve and the line as a whole does too, and maybe determine if the Giants should make an effort to keep Pugh, probably not Richburg though unless he does something the second half+ different than the rest of 2017.
Eh, the protection was solid yesterday. The problem was outside of Engram, none of the WRs can create any separation (not unexpected with the top 4 guys out).
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John Jerry is right there with Greg Bishop as the worst lineman I've ever seen start for multiple years.
Jerry has had his issues, but he actually was a decent lineman in 2016... one of the reasons the Giants mistakenly gave him a new contract. Fluker looks great and can maul in the ground game, but his inability to handle stunts at all (Sy referenced this in his last game review) is borderline absurd.
It's probably why San Diego gave up on him.
If the Giants are going to go with a more run-oriented offense from here on out, it makes sense for Fluker to play. But McAdoo was throwing the football what? 60, 70 percent of snaps?
The criticism is not that Fluker wasn't starting. The issue is that McAdoo failed to generate any competition for any of last year's starters, despite low performance. Starters got virtually all the 1st team reps throughout camp, even after poor performance in PS.
The bar was set low and poor performance accepted with any criticism deflected.
The criticism is not that Fluker wasn't starting. The issue is that McAdoo failed to generate any competition for any of last year's starters, despite low performance. Starters got virtually all the 1st team reps throughout camp, even after poor performance in PS.
The bar was set low and poor performance accepted with any criticism deflected.
It's not like they gave him anything to "generate competition" with.
Fluker played in the summer, and he wasn't good. The articles and camp reports are there to be read. Who else did they add? Bisnowaty played a bunch too and he clearly needs a year before they can re-evaluate.
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And he's been in this system for a couple years now.
The criticism is not that Fluker wasn't starting. The issue is that McAdoo failed to generate any competition for any of last year's starters, despite low performance. Starters got virtually all the 1st team reps throughout camp, even after poor performance in PS.
The bar was set low and poor performance accepted with any criticism deflected.
It's not like they gave him anything to "generate competition" with.
Fluker played in the summer, and he wasn't good. The articles and camp reports are there to be read. Who else did they add? Bisnowaty played a bunch too and he clearly needs a year before they can re-evaluate.
You've really set the bar low.
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And he's been in this system for a couple years now.
The criticism is not that Fluker wasn't starting. The issue is that McAdoo failed to generate any competition for any of last year's starters, despite low performance. Starters got virtually all the 1st team reps throughout camp, even after poor performance in PS.
The bar was set low and poor performance accepted with any criticism deflected.
It's not like they gave him anything to "generate competition" with.
Fluker played in the summer, and he wasn't good. The articles and camp reports are there to be read. Who else did they add? Bisnowaty played a bunch too and he clearly needs a year before they can re-evaluate.
Um except Fluker is starting now and they've looked better with him in there and Jones has played well. And they played well in the PS. Are the likes of Hart and Jerry beyond competition? Seriously?
He's starting now after 4 disastrous games. He never earned anything this year despite what people seem to want to believe. People on here complain about guys getting handed jobs, then act like Fluker went out and made a case like he deserved to start. He didn't. Great that he's playing well now. If he played well a month ago, that would have been better.
I'm not sure how you can seriously be arguing that it was the correct decision to anoint that initial group of starters with zero competition for them. By what standards had they performed well enough to earn that right?
RB is another position where there should have been more competition.