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The whole team philosphy has to change now

Chuckstar : 10/16/2017 11:30 am
With the depleted receiver corp, Giants have to continue with last nights philosophy. Scrap the WCO for now and revert to scheme similar to '90 Giants when Hostetler came in.
Ben leads like a true head coach, Sullivan takes the reigns of the O (Ehrhart), Spags ramps up the D again.

Darkwa takes OJ Anderson role, Vereen as Meggett, Roger Lewis as Stephen Baker, and Engram as Bavaro. Eli just can't wing it 35 times a game with this WR group. Let's just hope the OL shift holds up and we can limit opponents scoring by winning time of possession.
Who knows, with this rebuild, we may be able to get to 8-8 and set the tone for the rest of McAdoo's regime.
Next  
ryanmkeane : 10/16/2017 11:36 am : link
game is winnable. Seattle's offense is pretty mediocre, and their OL might be worse than ours. Keep the turnovers to a minimum and win the field position battle against their D and we can absolutely beat them.
When is  
spike : 10/16/2017 11:41 am : link
Sheppard returning?
Shep comes back  
Dave : 10/16/2017 11:46 am : link
when the boat returns to the docks

:)
I agree with that philosophy and it was basically what you saw last  
Simms11 : 10/16/2017 12:27 pm : link
night, however, can we sustain that type of running game week in and week out? The Giants of Parcells era used a FB extensively and the line was designed to run the ball and control the clock. They appeared to only throw the ball when it was absolutely necessary. It's a different league now too, however. Teams will start loading up the box to stop our running game and them what? We only have 1 legitimate receiver (Engram) to throw to. With that said, I wondered why they didn't throw more to the backs last night.
The 80s Giants game plan goes out the window  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 12:35 pm : link
Against modern NFL offenses that pass and score a lot and you also don't have an LT breaking the opposing offense for you. Even when you can run the ball that well, it doesn't do anything if you're chasing a 10 point deficit.
Last night  
ajr2456 : 10/16/2017 12:39 pm : link
Was fools good. Denver's offense isn't built to come from behind, especially from double digits against defenses with talent.
RE: Last night  
ajr2456 : 10/16/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13651881 ajr2456 said:
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Was fools good. Denver's offense isn't built to come from behind, especially from double digits against defenses with talent.


*Gold
I'd like to see more of those three TE sets  
Beer Man : 10/16/2017 12:43 pm : link
they ran with success on the first drive last night
Chuck  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2017 12:47 pm : link
you answered your own question to a degree.

Obviously, internal adjustments were made.

-Its a fairly good bet that 'playing certain kids in line with jerrys master plan' is out, done, kaput.
- Possibly jerry is gone also.
-Its telling that Mac (was probably directly instructed to) let Sully call plays....and let Spags coach D.
- Putting the lie to the cliché that 'its a passing league now', we ran ......and finally won a game.
-Nobody saw the steelers? They run the ball.
- Letting coordinators coordinate.
-D backs hit and stay disciplined, ok, if that works, as I said, let the coordinators coordinate.

expect more running
Can we cut Geno already  
spike : 10/16/2017 12:48 pm : link
And resign a fullback??
people falseley equate  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2017 12:53 pm : link
running more ...with 1980s schemes.

One can run all sorts of ways. What appeared to be an improvement was runs with quicker to develop dedicated run blocking, as opposed to an occasional delay draw, which is a more passive run blocking style, for one example...trying to run with pass blocking (often fails), as opposed to pass with run blocking (works when runs work).
The plan needs to be somewhat fluid  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 1:00 pm : link
Week to week. This week Seattle has been vulnerable vs RBs and TEs, so we should stick with a similar game plan as the Denver game.

SF has been killed on the ground and by backs catching out of the backfield. I'd lean on Darkwa/Gallman and take a few shots to Engram and the WRs to keep them honest.

The Rams have been bad vs RBs as well.

The games where we are going to have to deviate would be vs teams like the Cards, Eagles, and Skins. The receivers are going to have to make some plays in those games.
If you watched Pitt and KC yesterday  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/16/2017 1:17 pm : link
Pittsburgh would line up 2 tight ends on one side at the end of the line and then the fullback would lead Bell.

That's how you run with power and use a Fullback.
RE: Next  
FStubbs : 10/16/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13651723 ryanmkeane said:
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game is winnable. Seattle's offense is pretty mediocre, and their OL might be worse than ours. Keep the turnovers to a minimum and win the field position battle against their D and we can absolutely beat them.


How is that possible for a OL to be worse than ours?
RE: Chuck  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13651893 idiotsavant said:
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you answered your own question to a degree.

Obviously, internal adjustments were made.

-Its a fairly good bet that 'playing certain kids in line with jerrys master plan' is out, done, kaput.
- Possibly jerry is gone also.
-Its telling that Mac (was probably directly instructed to) let Sully call plays....and let Spags coach D.
- Putting the lie to the cliché that 'its a passing league now', we ran ......and finally won a game.
-Nobody saw the steelers? They run the ball.
- Letting coordinators coordinate.
-D backs hit and stay disciplined, ok, if that works, as I said, let the coordinators coordinate.

expect more running


So now we're claiming that someone was interfering with the defensive side of the ball too? Come on.
RE: I agree with that philosophy and it was basically what you saw last  
djm : 10/16/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13651861 Simms11 said:
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night, however, can we sustain that type of running game week in and week out? The Giants of Parcells era used a FB extensively and the line was designed to run the ball and control the clock. They appeared to only throw the ball when it was absolutely necessary. It's a different league now too, however. Teams will start loading up the box to stop our running game and them what? We only have 1 legitimate receiver (Engram) to throw to. With that said, I wondered why they didn't throw more to the backs last night.


I think we can. The running game has showed signs of life since midway through week 3 and last night really busted out. The personnel is there for a downhill running game. It's always been there. Darkwa and Gallman and Vereen can get yardage and the 2-3 TE sets will help out. The OL can run block. Let them eat. Run the ball a lot. Even if it fails. Keep at it.
While the running game has been in a steady improvement  
Matt M. : 10/16/2017 1:46 pm : link
the last few weeks, is anyone really confident we could be a grind it out team week in and week out? I'm not. Plus, the Giants took that approach in 1990 because they weren't confident in Hostetler at the helm. And, they had an extremely reliable OJ and a beast of an OL and TE. The Giants are the opposite. We have a QB we can trust and we have a bad OL and RB, even with improvement, is still a little unknown and unproven.
RE: While the running game has been in a steady improvement  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13652024 Matt M. said:
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the last few weeks, is anyone really confident we could be a grind it out team week in and week out? I'm not. Plus, the Giants took that approach in 1990 because they weren't confident in Hostetler at the helm. And, they had an extremely reliable OJ and a beast of an OL and TE. The Giants are the opposite. We have a QB we can trust and we have a bad OL and RB, even with improvement, is still a little unknown and unproven.


Not confident but what's the alternative? We don't have the receivers to attack opposing secondaries. Right now it looks like this OL configuration can run block a little, Darkwa/Gallman are competent enough as runners/receivers, and Engram/Ellison/Adams are our only potential mismatches.
wonder what the Jets would want for Kearse  
Rory : 10/16/2017 2:16 pm : link
he's become quite the player in NY.

Would also be willing to entertain offers for Garcon from SF

Giants are going to need another veteran WR opposite of Sheppard.
I wouldn’t surprise me  
NikkiMac : 10/16/2017 2:42 pm : link
To see the Giants promote the fullback to the 53 this week they sure could have used him Sunday night .....Mac needs to admit he’s wrong and put him back on the roster if he can by rule !
Smash Mouth Football?  
Elite Mobster #32 : 10/16/2017 2:58 pm : link
Not going to pass as much. So are we going to pin them back and learn how to bust them up on cross buck blocks, traps ( like last night) sweeps off tackle, Pulling Tackle and Guards,
getting out for screen pass blocks. we may be surprised that our line can do this well. We may need one more power back to pull it off. Maybe when Perkins comes back he is running hard.
The defense finally showed up for a game  
joe48 : 10/16/2017 3:20 pm : link
Defense played inspired football last night. There was no reason for this team to get off to 0-5 but that is history now. It will be interesting to see if the effort continues against Seattle. We should be at full strength on defense. The defense had underperformed until this game.
RE: wonder what the Jets would want for Kearse  
Devon : 10/16/2017 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13652070 Rory said:
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he's become quite the player in NY.

Would also be willing to entertain offers for Garcon from SF

Giants are going to need another veteran WR opposite of Sheppard.


No, they absolutely don't.

There is zero reason for the Giants to be trading for players for short term gain. They should, if anything, be hearing offers for any players that they can feasibly move in-season (which isn't many, obviously).
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