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College Player: Saquon Barkley

tbonfig : 10/16/2017 1:19 pm
I never watch any college football but I've obviously heard about this guy. For people that watch more than I do, how good is he? Just watched a highlight reel that stood out more than typical highlight reels. Dude hurdles players at will and seems to have a unique sense of space when running. There were a few plays run straight up the gut with three or four defenders and he shimmies and shakes a little and finds a crease and is out. Damn impressive.
He is Ezekiel Elliot style  
Capt. Don : 10/16/2017 1:22 pm : link
but better by almost any metric and I say that with a lot of respect for Elliot as a player.
But is he an asshole?  
Brown Recluse : 10/16/2017 1:24 pm : link
I think we have enough of those on the team already.
...  
BleedBlue : 10/16/2017 1:25 pm : link
he is a quicker, faster zeke....the kid is awesome out of the backfield and is a fantastic kick returner. the kid is going to be a deadly weapon for someone
Not to mention  
Elisthebest : 10/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
Is was originally going to go to Rutgers til Franklin talked him out of it. (I guess no reason to shat on Rutgers this week, they did win a Big 10 game)
I know it is a  
old man : 10/16/2017 1:35 pm : link
situational oxymoron, but if we had an average to good OL, and suck the way we expect to this season, in spite of yesterday, and he's still there when the name of the pick in front of us is not his, and I'm the Giants GM, I'm screaming SAQUON BARKLEY to Goodell....forget the card.
The kid is a good kid with a backstory, yet so humble he may not realize how comparatively good he is, or can be.
Comparable:Barry Sanders... with more power.
Feel free to drool.
Thanks for the heads up Sy'56.
RE: But is he an asshole?  
feelflows : 10/16/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13651985 Brown Recluse said:
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.


NONONONOONONO

He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!

I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).

He's the best football player that will be in this draft.  
Devon : 10/16/2017 1:38 pm : link
They're different backs, but he could do for a team what Fournette is doing for Jacksonville and more.

If the Giants are picking high enough to pick him, they're going to be taking a QB though and rightfully so.
I hate the Zeke comparison  
est1986 : 10/16/2017 1:41 pm : link
First off he is not Zeke, he will get drafted around where Zeke got drafted (top 5) but he is not the same player other than they both are well balanced, now Derrius Guice from LSU looks like a total Zeke clone IMO. A better comparison for Barkley is Todd Gurley who went 10th overall coming off a torn ACL, a healthy Gurley would have went much higher and would have easily been a better prospect than Zeke. Barkley just has the "IT" factor. He can do everything, speed, power, hands, return man, makes guys miss, runs through tackles, his body control and balance is ridiculous and barring injury he is easily in the same class as APeterson, Fournette, Zeke and Gurley and one can make an argument he is the best of that crop. Go to youtube put on a highlight tape and you can see why his hype is as big as it is, crazy exciting/electric player.
he reminds me...  
outeiroj : 10/16/2017 1:46 pm : link
way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it
He's a fantastic player  
RobCarpenter : 10/16/2017 1:46 pm : link
With tremendous lateral quickness and balance.

One of his most amazing plays I saw this year was against Iowa -- look at how he stops on a dime on the sideline in the link below.
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Barkley  
Giantslifer : 10/16/2017 1:48 pm : link
RB in 1st rd is fools gold. Short life span, get OL or LB/DE longer life.
NFL is pass first league. Look at pats- name any RB they kept for more than 2-3 years.
Can always pick up RB in 3rd - 4th round
Remember 1st round Rb who had to quit due to multiple neck injuries?
Rutgers decommit  
Sonic Youth : 10/16/2017 1:52 pm : link
:( :( :( :(

can't blame him...
RE: he reminds me...  
robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13652023 outeiroj said:
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way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it


I have no idea how you see Reggie Bush.
RE: RE: But is he an asshole?  
jamesmichaelworm : 10/16/2017 1:53 pm : link
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.



NONONONOONONO

He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!

I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).

I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.
Second best  
Jon in NYC : 10/16/2017 1:54 pm : link
running back in the Big Ten, but still quite good.
drafting him would be one of the classic blunders  
Greg from LI : 10/16/2017 1:56 pm : link
The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is never draft a Penn State running back in the first round.
RE: RE: RE: But is he an asshole?  
feelflows : 10/16/2017 1:58 pm : link
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.



NONONONOONONO

He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!

I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).



I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.


that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.

his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.
RE: Second best  
RobCarpenter : 10/16/2017 1:59 pm : link
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running back in the Big Ten, but still quite good.


I almost fell out of my chair watching the Wisconsin game when they talked about Dayne and "running over people" in the same sentence, in reference to Taylor and how Dayne is a fan of his.
What are you talking about? Dayne ran over people all the time....  
Greg from LI : 10/16/2017 2:00 pm : link
...when he was headed to the buffet table.
RE: RE: RE: RE: But is he an asshole?  
jamesmichaelworm : 10/16/2017 2:01 pm : link
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.



NONONONOONONO

He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!

I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).



I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.



that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.

his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.
looks like parkland has separated itself from the pack
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: But is he an asshole?  
feelflows : 10/16/2017 2:06 pm : link
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.



NONONONOONONO

He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!

I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).



I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.



that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.

his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.

looks like parkland has separated itself from the pack


blech

I'm a Northwestern guy, actually. I border Parkland (literally, my neighborhood has both).

To echo much of the sentiment, as much as I'd love him on this team, we are fans of the NYG. We shouldn't expect to be down too long. Having a franchise QB to eventually replace Eli would be priority from a personnel standpoint. Surrounding him with a QB friendly coach, and a GM/scout team who can evaluate OL would be ideal.

RE: RE: Second best  
Jon in NYC : 10/16/2017 2:19 pm : link
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running back in the Big Ten, but still quite good.



I almost fell out of my chair watching the Wisconsin game when they talked about Dayne and "running over people" in the same sentence, in reference to Taylor and how Dayne is a fan of his.


Haha, it's pretty funny. They still treat him as a deity at Wisconsin, as they should.

Taylor is a beast though. Very excited for him.
I wouldn't take any RB high  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 2:52 pm : link
The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Kid looks like AB  
bronxgiant : 10/16/2017 2:55 pm : link
on steroids. Balance is unreal.
RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
jamesmichaelworm : 10/16/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13652110 WillVAB said:
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
if you have a chance to get Adrian Peterson coming out of college today you don’t see the value in that ?
Drafting high...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/16/2017 2:59 pm : link
you must get game-altering weapons. This guy looks legit, but I don't watch as much CFB as I would like. Listening to the reviews however he should very much be in the mix.

Picking up stellar OL should be a lot easier than finding a game-altering RB, so you use later picks to do so when you have a chance.

This offense can definitely use a real weapon at RB.
RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
ThreePoints : 10/16/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13652110 WillVAB said:
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.


Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.

I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?
He's a hell of a player,  
Section331 : 10/16/2017 3:04 pm : link
and one of the few RB's worthy of a top 10 pick. I have a friend who is close to the PSU program, and he says the coaches talk about what a great kid Barkley is. Quiet, and works his butt off. I'd gladly take him.
RE: RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 3:13 pm : link
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.



Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.

I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?


The top RBs in the league were drafted late. The guys picked high who actually pan out is the exception, not the rule. Really the only RBs drafted high recently who one could argue with a straight face rep value are:

Zeke
Fournette
Gurley (debatable)

If the top RBs in the league are consistently found in the 3rd round or later, how in the world does it make sense to draft a RB with a top 10 pick?
My only concern would be the longevity of RBs  
jcn56 : 10/16/2017 3:15 pm : link
You draft a QB or a DE/OT, and you know barring major injury they're going to be around for awhile. Not the case with RBs.
Abs  
Jerry K : 10/16/2017 3:21 pm : link
It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
Abs?  
Jerry K : 10/16/2017 3:21 pm : link
That should be RBs.
I do like Barkley great great talent  
greatgrandpa : 10/16/2017 3:21 pm : link
And great kid. It looks now like Rosen and Darnold will be the first two picks as Wentz and Goff were. Giants will not be second behind Cleveland so Barkley could be there at 3 4 or 5. Even in this passing era you need a good running attack to save hits on your QB and cut down on blitzes. If they somehow got Barkley and drafted best OL - thinking left tackle at top of second round and signed a quality FA lineman (or two) and moved Flowers to right or left guard where his slow tangled feet would not be as much a liability for the team and would give them a good line in front of Barkley Darkwa and Gallman. Not a bad running attack. Defenses could not tee off like they are now and Eli could go back to getting second reads instead of throwing the hall into the ground as he is being hit. Don't undersell a solid running game. Take away Elliot and that 4 plus yards per carry and Dak is a scrambling version of Cody Kessler.

Pugh is their best lineman but he will want 9 10 million per year and has a lot of wear on him for long term. Jones is like Richie was - undersized but tenacious- but his lacks Richies strength and technique. Not sure if he is long term either. Jerry and Hart should seriously not be on team next year. I agree that the OL and coverage LBers are the priorityeli can certainly play one more year with a running game but they need to start working Webb into some games for a series or two
Someone asked  
blueblood'11 : 10/16/2017 3:22 pm : link
Is he an asshole. Well, he played at Whitehall high school in the Lehigh Valley where I live. Whitehall is next door to where I live. Our schools play each other. I had the pleasure of watching many of his games because a lot of them were telecast on local TV. I can tell you this is a good kid who does not have a big head.
His measurables are off the chart  
Vanzetti : 10/16/2017 3:28 pm : link
Jim Brown, Hershel Walker territory

But I’m not convinced he is a between the tackles Runner just yet . He just hits the hole, does not pick his way through the line
RE: Abs  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13652139 Jerry K said:
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.


That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:

Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield


2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy

The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:

Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
RE: Barkley  
Blue Moon : 10/16/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13652026 Giantslifer said:
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RB in 1st rd is fools gold. Short life span, get OL or LB/DE longer life.
NFL is pass first league. Look at pats- name any RB they kept for more than 2-3 years.
Can always pick up RB in 3rd - 4th round
Remember 1st round Rb who had to quit due to multiple neck injuries?


Come on your kidding right? You make too much sense for this fantasy league crowd you opine too. Everyone knows a super star running back guarantees you a trip to the Super Bowl!!
I Started a Thread two days ago  
Aloha Alan : 10/16/2017 4:07 pm : link
(linked below) Sy56 said if the draft was tomorrow the name Saquon Barkley should be the Giants selection. Pretty strong words.

He said "if" there was a QB to select he would select Rosen from UCLA. I have read that he is not very well liked by his teammates so let Cleveland have him.

Also for those clamoring for an OL, yes we need a stud LT, but there is not a true stud in the draft. Each of the three #1's have issues.

Then again if we beat the Seahawks this week our chances minimize in getting Saquon (who I personally would want) who is a tremendously gifted athlete (like Odell), and a good kid.
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This young man is a high character person  
pganut : 10/16/2017 4:23 pm : link
Here's the story on a great thing he did while running track that shows who he is. I saw the video on the BTN "Beginnings" program and it was great. We'd be lucky to get him if available.
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Barkley  
nyballa0891 : 10/16/2017 4:33 pm : link
Is a stud. Generational talent. Never seen guys do the things he can do. Hes also extremely good catching the ball out of the backfield. Like someone said earlier hes basically a bigger better roided out Ahmad Bradshaw minus the potential character issues.
RE: Abs  
FStubbs : 10/16/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13652139 Jerry K said:
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.


A good non-bust QB or OL lasts you a decade. A good non-bust RB lasts you 4-5 years. That's the thinking.

The flip side may be that defenses are so geared now to stop the past that a franchise level RB would be an asymmetric weapon.

Still, it the choice is a franchise QB or a franchise RB, the QB is the easy pick.
Great player  
Marty866b : 10/16/2017 4:38 pm : link
But if the Giants select very high as it appears to be,they would be very foolish not to pick a qb. EVERYTHING evolves around the quarterback. Sayers,Sanders,Simpson,etc. never won a Super Bowl. You need the franchise quarterback these days to win. Eli is at his end and it's time for the next qb. Webb? who knows but if he is good,then it would be fantastic to have two young quarterbacks because two is better then the potential of none.Running backs are a dime a dozen and have a short shelf life.
RE: RE: Abs  
giants#1 : 10/16/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13652147 WillVAB said:
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.



That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:

Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield


2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy

The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:

Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)


Bell was a 2nd round pick.

3rd round isn't exactly 'late round' picks either and that includes: Hunt, DJ, Murray.

The list of 1st rounders you are minimizing also includes arguably 3 top 5 RBs in the NFL (Zeke/Fournette/Gurley). Throw DJ (steal in the 3rd) and Bell (2nd) into the mix and IMO you have the top 5 RBs, none of which I'd consider "late" round picks.
It's not a cherry-picked stat.  
Jerry K : 10/16/2017 4:49 pm : link
It is what it is. I'm not pretending it's comprehensive. The point is that there are plenty of examples of high draft pick running backs that succeed. Who wouldn't want to have Fournette or McCaffrey right now?

Maybe the chance of a bust or injury is high but the impact potential is also greater. I think a better question in this discussion is what FStubbs raises. Is the career of a RB much shorter and how does that figure in a teams drafting decisions?
Plus...  
Jerry K : 10/16/2017 4:51 pm : link
I didn't say first-round draft picks. I said high draft picks.
Kid is a hell of a back.  
Giant John : 10/16/2017 5:03 pm : link
I'd take him with the 1st pick in the draft. He is that good. Good person too.
Franchise QB?  
Giant John : 10/16/2017 5:10 pm : link
Who? I'm not impressed...
RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
compton : 10/16/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13652110 WillVAB said:
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.


Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
RE: RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2017 5:35 pm : link
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.



Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?


Just from this year's leader board:

Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round

Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)

Devonta Freeman: 4th round

Not so Fast  
nyballa0891 : 10/16/2017 5:42 pm : link
Just from this year's leader board:

Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round

Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)

Devonta Freeman: 4th round






This while true, would require our scouts to adequately scout the position. How well have we done on late round back draft picks since 2008? Saquon Barkley is as sure as a sure thing can get. Rosen could be the next Jay cutler.
RE: Someone asked  
feelflows : 10/16/2017 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13652142 blueblood'11 said:
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Is he an asshole. Well, he played at Whitehall high school in the Lehigh Valley where I live. Whitehall is next door to where I live. Our schools play each other. I had the pleasure of watching many of his games because a lot of them were telecast on local TV. I can tell you this is a good kid who does not have a big head.


You're not a Parkland guy, are you? Hisss
RE: drafting him would be one of the classic blunders  
gmenatlarge : 10/16/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13652040 Greg from LI said:
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The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is never draft a Penn State running back in the first round.


And never get involved with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!

Well played.
RE: Second best  
Jay in Toronto : 10/16/2017 6:59 pm : link
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running back in the Big Ten, but still quite good.


LOL. A real taylored comment.
I think we need to see him  
mdc1 : 10/16/2017 7:28 pm : link
against better competition. Gotta love those B10 schedules.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
djm : 10/16/2017 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13652129 WillVAB said:
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.



Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.

I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?



The top RBs in the league were drafted late. The guys picked high who actually pan out is the exception, not the rule. Really the only RBs drafted high recently who one could argue with a straight face rep value are:

Zeke
Fournette
Gurley (debatable)

If the top RBs in the league are consistently found in the 3rd round or later, how in the world does it make sense to draft a RB with a top 10 pick?


You are making shit up. Try again. If RBs can be had in the latter rounds then so can every other position.

The majority of elite rbs in the league were drafted in rounds 1-2-3. Look it up.
RE: RE: Abs  
djm : 10/16/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13652147 WillVAB said:
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.



That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:

Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield


2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy

The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:

Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)


Dude... what... lol
Don't see how this is debatable  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 8:05 pm : link
First off there's a difference between a first round RB and top 5-10 pick like many are speculating with this kid. I still wouldn't take a RB in the first, but huge difference nonetheless.

Third round isn't a late round pick? There's a hell of a difference between picking someone top 5-10 and around 69-74.

RE: you can say that about any position crowd -- not like the RB position. Every year studs come out of nowhere at the RB position later in the draft. Mccafrey got a ton of hype this year and has clearly been outperformed by Hunt taken two rounds later and Cook a round later pre injury.

Hype doesn't equal value. The talking heads said Reggie Bush was the next Walter Payton and his career didn't come anywhere close to that.
RE: He's the best football player that will be in this draft.  
weaverpsu : 10/16/2017 10:23 pm : link
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They're different backs, but he could do for a team what Fournette is doing for Jacksonville and more.

If the Giants are picking high enough to pick him, they're going to be taking a QB though and rightfully so.


Why would they take a QB? The guys that were supposed to be great have struggled big time so far. We have Eli for 3-4 more years. If we take a QB with our top pick than what happens to Eli in 2 years? Push him out? Everyone says we take a QB but I think that would be a waste just like taking Webb was a total wasted pick.
RE: he reminds me...  
weaverpsu : 10/16/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13652023 outeiroj said:
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way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it


I don't see that comparison at all. Different backs.
RE: drafting him would be one of the classic blunders  
weaverpsu : 10/16/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13652040 Greg from LI said:
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The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is never draft a Penn State running back in the first round.


He's the best player in the country. Period.
RE: I think we need to see him  
weaverpsu : 10/16/2017 10:38 pm : link
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against better competition. Gotta love those B10 schedules.


Oh please. Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. Yeah 3 out of top 6 and 5 in the top 20 rankings.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
compton : 10/16/2017 10:42 pm : link
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.



Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?



Just from this year's leader board:

Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round

Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)

Devonta Freeman: 4th round


I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.
We're going 11-5 so this discussion is mute  
PatersonPlank : 10/16/2017 10:54 pm : link
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Despite coming from a  
B in ALB : 10/16/2017 11:01 pm : link
disgusting institution institution of "higher learning" - representing a foul, deranged, disturbed and completely deluded fan base of mouthbreathing mental defectives - that lied about and turned a blind eye to decades of child rape, molestation and some of the most disgusting crimes in the history of our country, I wouldn't mind Barkley if he's there.
RE: Despite coming from a  
Kyle in NY : 10/16/2017 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13652742 B in ALB said:
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disgusting institution institution of "higher learning" - representing a foul, deranged, disturbed and completely deluded fan base of mouthbreathing mental defectives - that lied about and turned a blind eye to decades of child rape, molestation and some of the most disgusting crimes in the history of our country, I wouldn't mind Barkley if he's there.


Could not have said it better. Tough to separate the player from such a disgraceful institution. But Barkley is a fantastic player and by all accounts a pretty solid person and a hard worker. I'm cool with it
How does he compare  
Mike in NY : 10/16/2017 11:13 pm : link
With Duke Johnson? :)
Eli 2 more years insert Webb  
Bluesbreaker : 10/17/2017 12:48 am : link
Barkley
nyballa0891 : 10/16/2017 4:33 pm : link : reply
Is a stud. Generational talent. Never seen guys do the things he can do. Hes also extremely good catching the ball out of the backfield. Like someone said earlier hes basically a bigger better roided out Ahmad Bradshaw minus the potential character issues.

Might be the best talent I have ever seen . I agree he bounces off tacklers hurdles them and doesn;t miss a stride
and that gear few have .He will put fannies in the seat .
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't take any RB high  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2017 2:03 am : link
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.



Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?



Just from this year's leader board:

Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round

Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)

Devonta Freeman: 4th round




I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.


You can consider 3rd round whatever you want, but historically 3rd round pick RB's have a 16% chance of becoming an NFL starter.

and Ajayi's career average is 4.5 ypc, that's better than some elite players.

RE: RE: he reminds me...  
santacruzom : 10/17/2017 2:57 am : link
In comment 13652029 robbieballs2003 said:
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way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it



I have no idea how you see Reggie Bush.


I definitely see Bush's absurd collegiate cutting and start-stop ability, but I see so much more as well. Like someone else said, he does everything. Shit, find a clip of him pass blocking. He blows people up.
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santacruzom : 10/17/2017 3:06 am : link
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.

Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.



That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:

Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield


2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy

The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:

Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)


I can't think of a position that you can't say that about. Maybe left tackle?
Any Giants fan  
WillVAB : 10/17/2017 8:52 am : link
Should be wary of burning a high pick on a RB given this franchise's history with taking RBs early in the draft.

The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.

I guess people have short memories.
Franchise history  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2017 9:20 am : link
should have nothing to do with how the Giants pick in the future. Wheatley and Dayne being busts shouldn't have any effect on 2018 and beyond.

By that logic Dave Brown should mean the Giants shouldn't have used a 1st on a QB (Rivers/Eli), Thomas Lewis should have meant no Beckham. Derek Brown no Shockey or Engram, Eli Apple is a bust (assume for arguments sake the book is closed) so therefore no CB's, Flowers should mean no more OT's.

What's left? S, LB, or DE?

I do agree that I'd never draft a RB in the top 10 UNLESS, and it's a big UNLESS, there was no player in that vicinity from a draft grade standpoint that was available - IOW I wouldn't reach to avoid a position.

RB's break, I don't think I'd even draft one first round at all, but I wouldn't draft Walter Payton in the top 5 of the 2018 draft.
RE: Any Giants fan  
Dan in the Springs : 10/17/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13652991 WillVAB said:
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Should be wary of burning a high pick on a RB given this franchise's history with taking RBs early in the draft.

The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.

I guess people have short memories.


I'm not saying you're completely wrong because I agree we need to make the OL a priority, however your choice of examples is bad. The commitment to the trenches was via late round draft picks and FA, with one exception (Snee). And even Snee was a second rounder. Diehl, Seubert, McKenzie and O'Hara were all later round picks, undrafted, or acquired through free agency. They were the example of how you build a great, even dominant OL WITHOUT using a top 5 pick.

The idea that we would use a premium pick (top 5) for anyone who isn't a game-changer is the mistake bad teams make. You definitely build the OL, make that a priority. But you don't pass up generational skill position players when you have a chance at them. These are the guys who make opposing defensive coordinators lose sleep at night. Your offense needs to grab them when they are there.
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