I never watch any college football but I've obviously heard about this guy. For people that watch more than I do, how good is he? Just watched a highlight reel that stood out more than typical highlight reels. Dude hurdles players at will and seems to have a unique sense of space when running. There were a few plays run straight up the gut with three or four defenders and he shimmies and shakes a little and finds a crease and is out. Damn impressive.
The kid is a good kid with a backstory, yet so humble he may not realize how comparatively good he is, or can be.
Comparable:Barry Sanders... with more power.
Feel free to drool.
Thanks for the heads up Sy'56.
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He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!
I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).
If the Giants are picking high enough to pick him, they're going to be taking a QB though and rightfully so.
One of his most amazing plays I saw this year was against Iowa -- look at how he stops on a dime on the sideline in the link below.
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NFL is pass first league. Look at pats- name any RB they kept for more than 2-3 years.
Can always pick up RB in 3rd - 4th round
Remember 1st round Rb who had to quit due to multiple neck injuries?
can't blame him...
I have no idea how you see Reggie Bush.
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.
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He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!
I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).
I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.
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He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!
I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).
I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.
that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.
his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.
I almost fell out of my chair watching the Wisconsin game when they talked about Dayne and "running over people" in the same sentence, in reference to Taylor and how Dayne is a fan of his.
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.
NONONONOONONO
He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!
I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).
I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.
that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.
his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.
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I think we have enough of those on the team already.
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He is an outstanding kid. He's local to here, and is still coming to his HS football games, signing autographs until his hands are numb and taking selfies with whatever kid wants to. We saw him at the Whitehall vs Bethlehem Catholic on Friday. They got WAXED!!
I would be PSYCHED to have him on our team... but sadly, if they are picking high I think a franchise QB will be more valuable (if that player is available or even in the draft).
I was the same game he signed an autograph for my nephew, great kid actually played basketball with him at stiles park. Really humble quiet down to earth kid. He would look great in giant blue.
that was a spanking. Whitehall looked horrible.
his sophomore brother, Ali, is over 6'0 and like 180lbs already. I think next year he'll be the starter.
looks like parkland has separated itself from the pack
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I'm a Northwestern guy, actually. I border Parkland (literally, my neighborhood has both).
To echo much of the sentiment, as much as I'd love him on this team, we are fans of the NYG. We shouldn't expect to be down too long. Having a franchise QB to eventually replace Eli would be priority from a personnel standpoint. Surrounding him with a QB friendly coach, and a GM/scout team who can evaluate OL would be ideal.
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running back in the Big Ten, but still quite good.
I almost fell out of my chair watching the Wisconsin game when they talked about Dayne and "running over people" in the same sentence, in reference to Taylor and how Dayne is a fan of his.
Haha, it's pretty funny. They still treat him as a deity at Wisconsin, as they should.
Taylor is a beast though. Very excited for him.
Picking up stellar OL should be a lot easier than finding a game-altering RB, so you use later picks to do so when you have a chance.
This offense can definitely use a real weapon at RB.
Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.
I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.
I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?
The top RBs in the league were drafted late. The guys picked high who actually pan out is the exception, not the rule. Really the only RBs drafted high recently who one could argue with a straight face rep value are:
Zeke
Fournette
Gurley (debatable)
If the top RBs in the league are consistently found in the 3rd round or later, how in the world does it make sense to draft a RB with a top 10 pick?
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
Pugh is their best lineman but he will want 9 10 million per year and has a lot of wear on him for long term. Jones is like Richie was - undersized but tenacious- but his lacks Richies strength and technique. Not sure if he is long term either. Jerry and Hart should seriously not be on team next year. I agree that the OL and coverage LBers are the priorityeli can certainly play one more year with a running game but they need to start working Webb into some games for a series or two
But I’m not convinced he is a between the tackles Runner just yet . He just hits the hole, does not pick his way through the line
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
NFL is pass first league. Look at pats- name any RB they kept for more than 2-3 years.
Can always pick up RB in 3rd - 4th round
Remember 1st round Rb who had to quit due to multiple neck injuries?
Come on your kidding right? You make too much sense for this fantasy league crowd you opine too. Everyone knows a super star running back guarantees you a trip to the Super Bowl!!
He said "if" there was a QB to select he would select Rosen from UCLA. I have read that he is not very well liked by his teammates so let Cleveland have him.
Also for those clamoring for an OL, yes we need a stud LT, but there is not a true stud in the draft. Each of the three #1's have issues.
Then again if we beat the Seahawks this week our chances minimize in getting Saquon (who I personally would want) who is a tremendously gifted athlete (like Odell), and a good kid.
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Selfless act by Whitehall sprinter Saquon Barkley had some in tears - ( New Window )
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
A good non-bust QB or OL lasts you a decade. A good non-bust RB lasts you 4-5 years. That's the thinking.
The flip side may be that defenses are so geared now to stop the past that a franchise level RB would be an asymmetric weapon.
Still, it the choice is a franchise QB or a franchise RB, the QB is the easy pick.
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
Bell was a 2nd round pick.
3rd round isn't exactly 'late round' picks either and that includes: Hunt, DJ, Murray.
The list of 1st rounders you are minimizing also includes arguably 3 top 5 RBs in the NFL (Zeke/Fournette/Gurley). Throw DJ (steal in the 3rd) and Bell (2nd) into the mix and IMO you have the top 5 RBs, none of which I'd consider "late" round picks.
Maybe the chance of a bust or injury is high but the impact potential is also greater. I think a better question in this discussion is what FStubbs raises. Is the career of a RB much shorter and how does that figure in a teams drafting decisions?
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
Just from this year's leader board:
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
This while true, would require our scouts to adequately scout the position. How well have we done on late round back draft picks since 2008? Saquon Barkley is as sure as a sure thing can get. Rosen could be the next Jay cutler.
You're not a Parkland guy, are you? Hisss
And never get involved with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
Well played.
LOL. A real taylored comment.
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.
I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?
The top RBs in the league were drafted late. The guys picked high who actually pan out is the exception, not the rule. Really the only RBs drafted high recently who one could argue with a straight face rep value are:
Zeke
Fournette
Gurley (debatable)
If the top RBs in the league are consistently found in the 3rd round or later, how in the world does it make sense to draft a RB with a top 10 pick?
You are making shit up. Try again. If RBs can be had in the latter rounds then so can every other position.
The majority of elite rbs in the league were drafted in rounds 1-2-3. Look it up.
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
Dude... what... lol
Third round isn't a late round pick? There's a hell of a difference between picking someone top 5-10 and around 69-74.
RE: you can say that about any position crowd -- not like the RB position. Every year studs come out of nowhere at the RB position later in the draft. Mccafrey got a ton of hype this year and has clearly been outperformed by Hunt taken two rounds later and Cook a round later pre injury.
Hype doesn't equal value. The talking heads said Reggie Bush was the next Walter Payton and his career didn't come anywhere close to that.
If the Giants are picking high enough to pick him, they're going to be taking a QB though and rightfully so.
Why would they take a QB? The guys that were supposed to be great have struggled big time so far. We have Eli for 3-4 more years. If we take a QB with our top pick than what happens to Eli in 2 years? Push him out? Everyone says we take a QB but I think that would be a waste just like taking Webb was a total wasted pick.
I don't see that comparison at all. Different backs.
He's the best player in the country. Period.
Oh please. Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. Yeah 3 out of top 6 and 5 in the top 20 rankings.
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
Just from this year's leader board:
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.
Could not have said it better. Tough to separate the player from such a disgraceful institution. But Barkley is a fantastic player and by all accounts a pretty solid person and a hard worker. I'm cool with it
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Is a stud. Generational talent. Never seen guys do the things he can do. Hes also extremely good catching the ball out of the backfield. Like someone said earlier hes basically a bigger better roided out Ahmad Bradshaw minus the potential character issues.
Might be the best talent I have ever seen . I agree he bounces off tacklers hurdles them and doesn;t miss a stride
and that gear few have .He will put fannies in the seat .
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
Just from this year's leader board:
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.
You can consider 3rd round whatever you want, but historically 3rd round pick RB's have a 16% chance of becoming an NFL starter.
and Ajayi's career average is 4.5 ypc, that's better than some elite players.
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way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it
I have no idea how you see Reggie Bush.
I definitely see Bush's absurd collegiate cutting and start-stop ability, but I see so much more as well. Like someone else said, he does everything. Shit, find a clip of him pass blocking. He blows people up.
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
I can't think of a position that you can't say that about. Maybe left tackle?
The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.
I guess people have short memories.
By that logic Dave Brown should mean the Giants shouldn't have used a 1st on a QB (Rivers/Eli), Thomas Lewis should have meant no Beckham. Derek Brown no Shockey or Engram, Eli Apple is a bust (assume for arguments sake the book is closed) so therefore no CB's, Flowers should mean no more OT's.
What's left? S, LB, or DE?
I do agree that I'd never draft a RB in the top 10 UNLESS, and it's a big UNLESS, there was no player in that vicinity from a draft grade standpoint that was available - IOW I wouldn't reach to avoid a position.
RB's break, I don't think I'd even draft one first round at all, but I wouldn't draft Walter Payton in the top 5 of the 2018 draft.
The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.
I guess people have short memories.
I'm not saying you're completely wrong because I agree we need to make the OL a priority, however your choice of examples is bad. The commitment to the trenches was via late round draft picks and FA, with one exception (Snee). And even Snee was a second rounder. Diehl, Seubert, McKenzie and O'Hara were all later round picks, undrafted, or acquired through free agency. They were the example of how you build a great, even dominant OL WITHOUT using a top 5 pick.
The idea that we would use a premium pick (top 5) for anyone who isn't a game-changer is the mistake bad teams make. You definitely build the OL, make that a priority. But you don't pass up generational skill position players when you have a chance at them. These are the guys who make opposing defensive coordinators lose sleep at night. Your offense needs to grab them when they are there.