I never watch any college football but I've obviously heard about this guy. For people that watch more than I do, how good is he? Just watched a highlight reel that stood out more than typical highlight reels. Dude hurdles players at will and seems to have a unique sense of space when running. There were a few plays run straight up the gut with three or four defenders and he shimmies and shakes a little and finds a crease and is out. Damn impressive.
You're not a Parkland guy, are you? Hisss
And never get involved with a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line!
Well played.
LOL. A real taylored comment.
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Yeah, our three-headed RB monster, all found in later rounds (or not drafted), is really tearing it up.
I hate this mentality. Who's the last playmaker we had at the running back position? David Wilson for one season? Why not go for a home-run pick if we can?
The top RBs in the league were drafted late. The guys picked high who actually pan out is the exception, not the rule. Really the only RBs drafted high recently who one could argue with a straight face rep value are:
Zeke
Fournette
Gurley (debatable)
If the top RBs in the league are consistently found in the 3rd round or later, how in the world does it make sense to draft a RB with a top 10 pick?
You are making shit up. Try again. If RBs can be had in the latter rounds then so can every other position.
The majority of elite rbs in the league were drafted in rounds 1-2-3. Look it up.
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
Dude... what... lol
Third round isn't a late round pick? There's a hell of a difference between picking someone top 5-10 and around 69-74.
RE: you can say that about any position crowd -- not like the RB position. Every year studs come out of nowhere at the RB position later in the draft. Mccafrey got a ton of hype this year and has clearly been outperformed by Hunt taken two rounds later and Cook a round later pre injury.
Hype doesn't equal value. The talking heads said Reggie Bush was the next Walter Payton and his career didn't come anywhere close to that.
If the Giants are picking high enough to pick him, they're going to be taking a QB though and rightfully so.
Why would they take a QB? The guys that were supposed to be great have struggled big time so far. We have Eli for 3-4 more years. If we take a QB with our top pick than what happens to Eli in 2 years? Push him out? Everyone says we take a QB but I think that would be a waste just like taking Webb was a total wasted pick.
I don't see that comparison at all. Different backs.
He's the best player in the country. Period.
Oh please. Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. Yeah 3 out of top 6 and 5 in the top 20 rankings.
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
Just from this year's leader board:
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.
Could not have said it better. Tough to separate the player from such a disgraceful institution. But Barkley is a fantastic player and by all accounts a pretty solid person and a hard worker. I'm cool with it
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Is a stud. Generational talent. Never seen guys do the things he can do. Hes also extremely good catching the ball out of the backfield. Like someone said earlier hes basically a bigger better roided out Ahmad Bradshaw minus the potential character issues.
Might be the best talent I have ever seen . I agree he bounces off tacklers hurdles them and doesn;t miss a stride
and that gear few have .He will put fannies in the seat .
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In comment 13652110 WillVAB said:
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The value simply isn't there and so many elite RBs are found later in the draft.
Care to name some of these elite RB taken later in the draft?
Just from this year's leader board:
Le'Veon Bell: 2nd round
David Johnson: 3rd round
Jordan Howard: 5th round
Kareem Hunt: 3rd round
Jay Ajayi: 5th round (not sure if elite, but 7th in league this year in rushing yards so far (with his bye behind him and 4th last year)
Devonta Freeman: 4th round
I don't consider 3rd round as a late round pick. So only 3 names on that list I would consider late round picks (4th round and above). Jordan Howard and Devonta Freeman are having a nice season. Jay Ajayi is averaging less than 4 yards a carry. Only one of those players, I would say, is playing at an elite level currently.
You can consider 3rd round whatever you want, but historically 3rd round pick RB's have a 16% chance of becoming an NFL starter.
and Ajayi's career average is 4.5 ypc, that's better than some elite players.
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way too much of reggie bush to feel confident he would be worthy of a high first round pick. but if they pulled the trigger i would still support it
I have no idea how you see Reggie Bush.
I definitely see Bush's absurd collegiate cutting and start-stop ability, but I see so much more as well. Like someone else said, he does everything. Shit, find a clip of him pass blocking. He blows people up.
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It has become a truism for many on BBI that you don't draft a running back high. It's repeated so often that it's rarely challenged. But how many 1st round QBs are busts? How many OL? If the player is good and durable, take him.
Out of the ten leading rushers in the NFL right now, three were number one picks, two were second round picks and one a third.
That's a cherry picked stat. Here's a list of late round RBs around the NFL:
Hunt
Bell
David Johnson (IR)
Demarco Murray
Jordan Howard
Tarik Cohen
Jay Ajayi
Devonta Freeman
Entire Pats backfield
Entire Packers backfield
Redskins backfield
2nd rounders
Dalvin Cook (IR)
Lesean McCoy
The first round guys returning anywhere close to value you can count on one hand:
Ingram (up and down)
Gordon (up and down)
Zeke (is it him or the OL)
Fournette (legit)
Gurley (up and down)
I can't think of a position that you can't say that about. Maybe left tackle?
The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.
I guess people have short memories.
By that logic Dave Brown should mean the Giants shouldn't have used a 1st on a QB (Rivers/Eli), Thomas Lewis should have meant no Beckham. Derek Brown no Shockey or Engram, Eli Apple is a bust (assume for arguments sake the book is closed) so therefore no CB's, Flowers should mean no more OT's.
What's left? S, LB, or DE?
I do agree that I'd never draft a RB in the top 10 UNLESS, and it's a big UNLESS, there was no player in that vicinity from a draft grade standpoint that was available - IOW I wouldn't reach to avoid a position.
RB's break, I don't think I'd even draft one first round at all, but I wouldn't draft Walter Payton in the top 5 of the 2018 draft.
The last two Giants SB teams were built the complete opposite -- commitment to the trenches with late rounders at the RB position.
I guess people have short memories.
I'm not saying you're completely wrong because I agree we need to make the OL a priority, however your choice of examples is bad. The commitment to the trenches was via late round draft picks and FA, with one exception (Snee). And even Snee was a second rounder. Diehl, Seubert, McKenzie and O'Hara were all later round picks, undrafted, or acquired through free agency. They were the example of how you build a great, even dominant OL WITHOUT using a top 5 pick.
The idea that we would use a premium pick (top 5) for anyone who isn't a game-changer is the mistake bad teams make. You definitely build the OL, make that a priority. But you don't pass up generational skill position players when you have a chance at them. These are the guys who make opposing defensive coordinators lose sleep at night. Your offense needs to grab them when they are there.