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Was last night a fluke? We will find out Sunday

gmen9892 : 10/16/2017 5:12 pm
Going against the #1 defense on the road, after they had a bye, with no WR's to speak of, a lot of pundits (including the Sports Pope) are basically calling last night a fluke.

A lot of people are saying it is an unsustainable way of playing offense, and that the only reason the Giants won last night was because Denver overlooked the Giants and took them too lightly.

That all might be the case, but it will not take very long to find out if this OL is for real. We have the Seattle Seahawks coming in with the Legion of Boom. After the bye next week, we have Aaron Donald and the Rams defensive front coming in. You are probably not going to get 2 better tests outside of the Eagles (who the OL played well against, but they didnt have Cox that game) to see if this new found OL and run game is for real or if it is indeed a fluke.

Same can be said for the defense looking like its changed back last years form. If they are indeed back, they should be able to take advantage of a horrible Seattle OL and make their run game non-existent. Guys like Apple, Thompson, Goodson, Tomlinson, etc. need to show that they can put several good games together in a row, or last night will all be for naught.
I truley believe that each week is different  
superspynyg : 10/16/2017 5:15 pm : link
We played an unprepared Denver team. Plus we plYed with an emotional passion that I gave not seen this year.

Seattle will not be sleeping on us. But that doesn't mean that we can't win.
the problem is  
giantfan2000 : 10/16/2017 5:20 pm : link
Pete Carroll always seems to have our number ..

My question is......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 10/16/2017 5:21 pm : link
does McAdoo give up playcalling permanently?
RE: I truley believe that each week is different  
gmen9892 : 10/16/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13652220 superspynyg said:
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We played an unprepared Denver team. Plus we plYed with an emotional passion that I gave not seen this year.

Seattle will not be sleeping on us. But that doesn't mean that we can't win.


I agree. Each week is its own beast. Having said that, if you can go out and move the ball and protect Eli against 2 top defenses back to back, then the Giants OL might be on to something. Its one thing to catch the Broncos off-guard, its quite another to catch Seattle the week after in a road game that Seattle needs.
I think people are underselling the effect of changing playcallers sud  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 5:24 pm : link
Before a game. Denver can't game plan for a change like that, and probably had no chance to figure out what they were doing.
RE: the problem is  
gmen9892 : 10/16/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13652229 giantfan2000 said:
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Pete Carroll always seems to have our number ..


Right. Even more reason for this to be a nice judgement game. By all accounts, the Giants will not win this game. It is a measuring stick game again though for the Giants OL and offense specifically.
Did I miss where Denver is the best team ever?  
BillT : 10/16/2017 5:25 pm : link
They have a very good D that held our O to 16 points. Just what you'd expect. Their O however is no great shakes. Not bad or anything but average with a very average QB. Their strength is their running game but the Giants' run D played up to it's potential and shut them down. That's no fluke. Made Siemian beat them and he couldn't. No fluke there either.
We are playing at home  
EJJ : 10/16/2017 5:29 pm : link
and Seattle has to travel from the west coast advantage Giants. Their O line is worse than ours but Wilson is mobile which could be a real problem. Let the Legion of Booom have fun tackling out TE's especially Engram.
On O pound the rock and protect it! Keep running stay patient.
Take shots but only a few stay in 3rd and short situations. Protect Eli!!!!
On D Stop the run contain their QB's scrambling don,t give up the deep pass play, and force a few turn overs.
Into the bye at 2-5 who knows where they go after that.
RE: Did I miss where Denver is the best team ever?  
gmen9892 : 10/16/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13652238 BillT said:
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They have a very good D that held our O to 16 points. Just what you'd expect. Their O however is no great shakes. Not bad or anything but average with a very average QB. Their strength is their running game but the Giants' run D played up to it's potential and shut them down. That's no fluke. Made Siemian beat them and he couldn't. No fluke there either.


Not nearly the best team ever, but this is specifically geared towards their defense, which has been Top 3 for years now and is again up there this year. Going against the Giants OL with WR's that totaled 30 career catches.

Also they were coming off a bye at home in front of a primetime crowd, I dont think anybody Giants fans or other, expected a close game, let alone a Giants win.
RE: I truley believe that each week is different  
BillT : 10/16/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13652220 superspynyg said:
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We played an unprepared Denver team. Plus we plYed with an emotional passion that I gave not seen this year.

Seattle will not be sleeping on us. But that doesn't mean that we can't win.

They're similar to Denver. Good D. Better against the pass that run the opposite of Denver. Average O. If we hold them to 17 we can win and it won't be a fluke either.
RE: RE: Did I miss where Denver is the best team ever?  
BillT : 10/16/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13652245 gmen9892 said:
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They have a very good D that held our O to 16 points. Just what you'd expect. Their O however is no great shakes. Not bad or anything but average with a very average QB. Their strength is their running game but the Giants' run D played up to it's potential and shut them down. That's no fluke. Made Siemian beat them and he couldn't. No fluke there either.



Not nearly the best team ever, but this is specifically geared towards their defense, which has been Top 3 for years now and is again up there this year. Going against the Giants OL with WR's that totaled 30 career catches.

Also they were coming off a bye at home in front of a primetime crowd, I dont think anybody Giants fans or other, expected a close game, let alone a Giants win.

True. But that was the Giants' team where the Giants' own top 5 D hadn't shown up yet. It did and that's why it's no fluke. A surprise, sure.
Yes last night was a fluke. Yes!  
section125 : 10/16/2017 5:43 pm : link
Does that mean the Giants are incapable of repeating Sunday?

No.....
RE: I truley believe that each week is different  
gmenatlarge : 10/16/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13652220 superspynyg said:
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We played an unprepared Denver team. Plus we plYed with an emotional passion that I gave not seen this year.

Seattle will not be sleeping on us. But that doesn't mean that we can't win.


Coming off a bye they were unprepared? Can't buy that.
Two things  
csh2z : 10/16/2017 6:03 pm : link
Denver's run defense was # 1 in the league, coming off a bye and this is the most important part. They new the Giants were decimated in the receiving corps and HAD to run the ball. They played the run throughout the game, primarily. But they couldn't beat, for the most part, the Giants offensive line. Again, they new the Giants had to run the ball and couldn't stop them.
That was a great effort from our offensive line and the defense looked really good (without DRC or Vernon) two of our best players.
How many playoff teams in NFL history have had 5 game losing streaks at some time during the regular season?
Was not a fluke  
Glover : 10/16/2017 6:33 pm : link
The Defense was what it was supposed to be all year, and the O line was the one Jerry Reese and coaching staff hoped it would be, though I dont know what they were looking at when they decided Jerry and Hart should be the starting R side of the line. Problem is no Beckham. Marshall never really showed up, so can't say he is missed, though I would have liked to see him play with a functional O line and Sullivan calling the plays. My most optimistic outlook could still have this team at 9-7, but its hard to even dream that dream without Beckham. I will say the Giants have something to play for.
RE: We are playing at home  
NYSports1 : 10/16/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13652242 EJJ said:
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and Seattle has to travel from the west coast advantage Giants. Their O line is worse than ours but Wilson is mobile which could be a real problem. Let the Legion of Booom have fun tackling out TE's especially Engram.
On O pound the rock and protect it! Keep running stay patient.
Take shots but only a few stay in 3rd and short situations. Protect Eli!!!!
On D Stop the run contain their QB's scrambling don,t give up the deep pass play, and force a few turn overs.
Into the bye at 2-5 who knows where they go after that.


Chargers 0-4 traveled from LA and beat the Giants who for most of the game had all WR. so how is it advantage Giants
RE: I think people are underselling the effect of changing playcallers sud  
arcarsenal : 10/16/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13652233 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Before a game. Denver can't game plan for a change like that, and probably had no chance to figure out what they were doing.


So, you're saying that our offense was actually not predictable for the first time in 2 years?

I would agree.
RE: RE: I truley believe that each week is different  
DaveW2 : 10/16/2017 6:55 pm : link
In comment 13652258 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 13652220 superspynyg said:
Quote: We played an unprepared Denver team. Plus we plYed with an emotional passion that I gave not seen this year.

Seattle will not be sleeping on us. But that doesn't mean that we can't win. Coming off a bye they were unprepared? Can't buy that.


Yeah, isn't that proprietary Giants?
I'm ambivalent as hell!  
TC : 10/16/2017 7:00 pm : link
When the Giants are on the field I can't help cheering them. But the other half of me hopes they tank so the owners blow the whole crappy thing up. I wanted both Reese AND McAdoo gone. The Giants have had personnel problems FOREVER! McAdoo didn't impress me when he was OC as I found much of his play calling incomprehensible, despite the big O numbers playing from behind. Since HE became HC he's impressed me even less. But I don't know, maybe he can play HC if he keeps his hands off offensive play calling. But I think the Giants still need someone else to build their roster.

I can't believe this is necessarily the start of a turn around.
RE: RE: I think people are underselling the effect of changing playcallers sud  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13652307 arcarsenal said:
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Before a game. Denver can't game plan for a change like that, and probably had no chance to figure out what they were doing.



So, you're saying that our offense was actually not predictable for the first time in 2 years?

I would agree.


Sullivan is an NFL coach, which means that if he calls plays next week, he will absolutely run some of the same stuff he called today. I'm saying Seattle will have one game of film to figure Sullivan out with. Denver had no idea whatsoever. Its a very different situation, and unlikely to repeat the same benefits.
We will find out on Sunday. The Giants defense I think matches  
SterlingArcher : 10/16/2017 7:22 pm : link
up well with the seachickens offense, that is, if they can contain Wilson from converting 3rd downs with his legs. The guy the Giants need to be careful is that low life POS Michael Bennett, I think he is the dirtiest player in the NFL, he is always going low on qb's! If the Giants offense can put up 23 point the Giants win!
We'll see  
WillVAB : 10/16/2017 7:55 pm : link
I will say if the Giants win on Sunday there's no reason why they can't compete with every team left on the schedule with the offense as is. That would e back to back wins vs the top 2 defenses in the league.
It was the Perfect Storm of match ups...  
Doomster : 10/16/2017 9:44 pm : link
We got an early lead, and Denver is not really a come from behind offense....

The Giant run defense, which had been non existent, rose up and stopped their running game cold, forcing Siemian to win the game....

For once, our coaches out coached the opposition...

With only one viable receiver, Denver did not take him seriously, after he did not catch a pass the week before...

The defense gave up over 400 yards, but had 4 turnovers and scored 7 points, and and had a huge goal line stand, to prevent 7 points....

And ST's contributed with a couple fg block/tips....

The Giant offense could run the ball for once....Pugh neutralized Miller....

This game plan was for the Denver Broncos....it was a game plan designed to minimize mistakes, and a game plan predicated on running the ball, by installing our best blockers in the run game, out there, which took Denver completely by surprise....With no WR threat, Denver did not adjust their defense to stop the run...out coached here...

It will have to be different plan for the Seahawks....
The pick six was HUGE ....  
Bluesbreaker : 10/17/2017 1:02 am : link
It allowed us to continue to run the ball and forced Denver
to throw . Early lead is important to our Defense ...
How many time did we go scoreless in we first quarter .
We struggle to score as it is by the time the offense gets some points on the board the defense is toast .
Giants won both lines of scrimmage  
Vanzetti : 10/17/2017 1:49 am : link
That was no fluke

However, the lack of receivers is a huge obstacle to overcome. To beat good teams, they probably need to be +2 in turnovers
agree with bluesbreaker. the ick 6 was it. Giants were outgained by  
Victor in CT : 10/17/2017 8:57 am : link
almost 200 yds. Giants got 47 of the 160+ in one play, but still avg'd 3+ per carry on the rest, which is encouraging. It's a reminder about hat coaches like TC and Parcells would say, that you still have to keep pounding it to keep the D honest.

3 things:

1) Fluker may not be a great pass blocker, but MAN, I felt conifdent for the first time in YEARS that they could run behind someone and get a 3rd and short. That guy moves the pile.

2) Jones may not be great, but he's tough and scrappy and he doesn't get blown back into the pocket like Richburg. I was skeptical about him, but he has some grit. I think someone here compared him to Rich Seubert from an attitude standpoint.

3) maybe Flowers is coming into his own? And maybe all this time all he needed was some commitment to the run, where he can go knock the snot out of people instead of backing up on 80% of the plays? He looked charged up.
Its early days,  
oldog : 10/17/2017 9:35 am : link
and one swallow does not make a summer, nor is a summer shower a real storm, nor is it always spring when you see the first robin. But there is too much talent on this team to go 1-6.
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