Highlights from the article:
-Expansion in Portland & Montreal
-Realignment to 4 eight team divisions
-Playoffs increased to 12 teams
-Season reduces to 156 games
I don’t know if the talent pool is there to support 32 teams. More geographically broken down divisions will improve travel.
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How is this labor market/business model not crashing especially with cord cutting? Its got to be a matter of time, right?
Anyway, I kind of like the playoffs as is but i want the first round to go to 4 of 7 ... right now the 3 of 5 with two off days benefits teams too much with that ace pitcher or a few bullpen guys. Longer series make it more of a team playoff series.
I'm all for reducing the regular season - I'd prefer 144 games and the season starting in mid April with more off-days to better protect guys no longer juicing, not to mention bullpen arms (why again do teams need to play 13 straight days and sometimes with some rainouts, 27 games in 28 days in August) -- but i guess baby steps.
I want a team back there!!!!!
It wouldn't surprise me if Hockey becomes way more mainstream over the next 10 years or so because of how the NFL has watered down their product and how the NBA has these super teams.
Montreal
San Antonio
If they turned that into a best of 5, or even 3, that'd be ridiculous.
If they turned that into a best of 5, or even 3, that'd be ridiculous.
They already play best of 5 in the LDS series, so it would be the same as far as that goes. And the 1 game wild card playoff would be eliminated. But the division winners having a week off seems bad for them.
It's a great incentive for owners to invest in their team, and get good FO people. It's also better than 6 weeks or more of playoffs.
The the NHL Carolina Hurricanes are actually in Raleigh.
You want to reduce a "way too long" season by 2-3 series as a fix?
How about 120 games a season...something a lot more reasonable.
Priceless.
Just when you have the Boston-Yanks rivalry back, the Cubs and Cleveland back, the CWS with a ton of prospects, the Marlins new ownership with a winner co-owner, the Dodgers +/- +the Yanks, and AZ & Rockies well managed: Lets break that all up.
IK it's about the billionaire owners,and the money, but you get a watered down game and the '62 Mets before you get the '69 Mets, and likely for more than 7 years.
How is this labor market/business model not crashing especially with cord cutting? Its got to be a matter of time, right?
Anyway, I kind of like the playoffs as is but i want the first round to go to 4 of 7 ... right now the 3 of 5 with two off days benefits teams too much with that ace pitcher or a few bullpen guys. Longer series make it more of a team playoff series.
I'm all for reducing the regular season - I'd prefer 144 games and the season starting in mid April with more off-days to better protect guys no longer juicing, not to mention bullpen arms (why again do teams need to play 13 straight days and sometimes with some rainouts, 27 games in 28 days in August) -- but i guess baby steps.
Unlike some of the other major sports, baseball is far less dependent on national TV contracts. The baseball business model is far more stable than what the NFL could potentially be facing. MLB has also done a good job of making their online/mobile offering available and (comparably) affordable (especially relative to Sunday Ticket). Overall, MLB is positioned fairly well for the brave new world.
Beyond that, though, it's important to realize that the effects of cord-cutting have not yet really begun to be felt by the leagues, in that they are still operating under broadcast rights agreements that were negotiated before streaming was a serious threat to the traditional TV model.
I don't like the idea of expanding the playoffs. Making the playoffs in baseball actually MEANS something. And the regular season actually matters with the current setup.
2. Montreal deserves a team, but I'd rather see Vancouver than Portland.
3. We should have 4 8 team divisions NOW...with the two best non-division winners getting WCs, no WC play in game.
4. Expand the playoffs...too many regular season games.
I should have stated, baseball is less dependent on TV in any form than the NFL. They have 10x the number of home games and even with an average per-game attendance that is roughly half of what the NFL averages, the "live" revenue for MLB exceeds any other sports league in the US. Because of the number of games, the sponsorship revenue is also very healthy relative to other leagues.
Also, as I said earlier in the thread, MLB has done a very good job of being ahead of the market with offering an online/mobile viewing platform that is specifically intended to claw back some of the revenue drift due to cord-cutting. Contrast that to the NFL, which continues to make Sunday Ticket exclusive and has restrictions on Game Pass that make it more of an enhancement to live TV than a replacement.
Say what you will, but despite baseball's reputation for having been behind the times as other leagues have surpassed MLB in popularity, they've actually positioned themselves fairly well for revenue continuity into the next few years.
I want a team back there!!!!!
Amen. Preferably an AL East team.
Dominican players are coming here so that they can get out of that dumpster fire of an island.
Why would we put a professional team out there?
Haiti - 5,000
Portland Metro Area - 68,000
Producing good ball players doesn't mean that country is suited to support a pro club.
The average position player makes north of $15 million per season. Meanwhile I make a decent income, but without a company paying my way I can't justify sitting in the upper deck and still spending $500 on an afternoon game that barely means anything.
I reiterate common sense isn't there - this is a bubble. One way or another salaries and team revenues are coming down.
The average position player makes north of $15 million per season. Meanwhile I make a decent income, but without a company paying my way I can't justify sitting in the upper deck and still spending $500 on an afternoon game that barely means anything.
I reiterate common sense isn't there - this is a bubble. One way or another salaries and team revenues are coming down.
I didn't say the games were worth 1/10. I said there were 10x MLB games. Value doesn't track directly to inventory. And with rosters half the size of NFL rosters, there's more opportunity to apply revenue to payroll (and that's without considering how much more powerful the MLBPA is compared to the NFLPA).
Pricing is not tied to roster costs. The entire business is profitable with excellent economy of scale, which decouples revenue directly from roster expenses. If you're paying $200 per seat and can't afford it - that's either because you're buying locations that are beyond your means or you're buying from the secondary market, which is - again - not tied to the league's business model. If you're paying $500 for upper deck on a weekday, you're almost definitely buying from the secondary market - that's not the same and you should recognize it as such; it's simply a byproduct of supply and demand. Or you might be exaggerating, which also seems like a possibility.
Frack Toronto in its tv-rights @ss.
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable to me - not sure where your accusations of exaggeration come from.
Baseballs model is a bubble. Sounds like that may end up impacting your career. Sorry.
Adding a third round is really going to water down the product and eliminate the better teams early.
I don't like the idea of reducing the number of games played, but I wouldn't mind if instead of expanding the playoffs, they let the two wild card teams play against two division winners in a full series.
The tickets for 4 were $225 - not to mention the cost of gas and food and we are looking at a likely $350 day.
Wait, a college visit? Doesn't your daughter have a soul??
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable to me - not sure where your accusations of exaggeration come from.
Baseballs model is a bubble. Sounds like that may end up impacting your career. Sorry.
No, it won't. I did work in baseball for years though (don't anymore), and know their model fairly well.
When you start adding on F&B + souvenirs, of course your expenses are going to stack up. And it still does sound like you probably bought your tickets on the secondary market, which is not truly representative of baseball's primary D2C model - those tickets are already bought and paid for from the club's POV, so whatever incremental margins are added by brokers are not really putting their model at risk. Now, if the secondary market craters, that puts a lot of stress onto the primary model because most teams do some level of derisking by selling directly to resellers.
But that wouldn't result in a burst bubble; it would require a pivot by way of incentivizing D2C season tickets (or full-season equivalents in the form of mini-plan partitioning) and there would obviously be some level of adjustment in that case. But it hasn't happened yet, and isn't something looming on the horizon - it's not like it's a new phenomenon that going to a game (in any sport) is an expensive proposition for John Q. Public.
Nevertheless, the original premise was that cord-cutting was going to cause a financial strain on MLB and my point still stands that baseball is far less dependent on TV revenue than other sports, particularly football.
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable to me - not sure where your accusations of exaggeration come from.
Baseballs model is a bubble. Sounds like that may end up impacting your career. Sorry.
You want to go to a Broadway show? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. You want to go to a concert for an A-list band/artist at a major venue? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. Are those revenue models built on a bubble also?
Hamilton had an average ticket price of $273 last week (and that's primary sales, not secondary market, which averaged close to double that), yet had an occupancy level of 101.8% (completely sold out and sold their maximum allowable SRO tickets). Is Hamilton on a bubble?
That's just what live sports/entertainment generally costs in/around NYC.
I was filled with regret as soon as I hit submit!!
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Wait, a college visit? Doesn't your daughter have a soul??
I was filled with regret as soon as I hit submit!!
Better pack some Mossy Oak overalls - you don't want to stand out as high-falutin'.
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Local/regional sport networks subscriptions will in fact decrease as more people cut the cord. All sports are going to have to figure out how to make up the shortfall as their current tv contracts (local and national) expire.
The local contracts would just shift from TV to streaming subscriptions.
Slightly more complicated than that. How many of those local tv contracts are buttressed by people paying for subscriptions who never watch the channel? There's no guarantee streaming services can make up for that lost revenue as more and more cords are cut.
I don't like the idea of reducing the number of games played, but I wouldn't mind if instead of expanding the playoffs, they let the two wild card teams play against two division winners in a full series.
I agree with this, Charlotte is not a good location, the minor league games nobody is even watching the game, its a scene for millenials, cool place to go out early. They struggle to support the Hornets who only play 41 games. plus the summers are brutal, and the baseball season is long its not enjoyable sitting outside a good portion of the season, and so many transplants. Now Id like to see an MLS team in Charlotte, that is something I think the city could get behind, small stadium, less games etc...
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So $75 per ticket x 4 = $300. Plus parking. Plus food and drinks. Plus some souvenir for the kids.
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable to me - not sure where your accusations of exaggeration come from.
Baseballs model is a bubble. Sounds like that may end up impacting your career. Sorry.
You want to go to a Broadway show? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. You want to go to a concert for an A-list band/artist at a major venue? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. Are those revenue models built on a bubble also?
Hamilton had an average ticket price of $273 last week (and that's primary sales, not secondary market, which averaged close to double that), yet had an occupancy level of 101.8% (completely sold out and sold their maximum allowable SRO tickets). Is Hamilton on a bubble?
That's just what live sports/entertainment generally costs in/around NYC.
but a Broadway show is once. There is no subscription. MLB teams need season ticket base.
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So $75 per ticket x 4 = $300. Plus parking. Plus food and drinks. Plus some souvenir for the kids.
Yeah sounds pretty reasonable to me - not sure where your accusations of exaggeration come from.
Baseballs model is a bubble. Sounds like that may end up impacting your career. Sorry.
You want to go to a Broadway show? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. You want to go to a concert for an A-list band/artist at a major venue? It's going to cost you ~$100 per ticket. Are those revenue models built on a bubble also?
Hamilton had an average ticket price of $273 last week (and that's primary sales, not secondary market, which averaged close to double that), yet had an occupancy level of 101.8% (completely sold out and sold their maximum allowable SRO tickets). Is Hamilton on a bubble?
That's just what live sports/entertainment generally costs in/around NYC.
but a Broadway show is once. There is no subscription. MLB teams need season ticket base.
The seats that MAB is referring to range from $25-$35 for season subs. There is a volume discount baked in.