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The hatred for Mcadoo from this board......

sxdxca : 10/16/2017 7:52 pm
is sometimes completely unjustified , and frankly intolerable.

For instance , someone called out Mcadoo yesterday and said he was arrogant , because in his press conference he said that he gave Eli Manning the game plan , and Eli carried it through.

I'm sorry that's not arrogant people , that is a coach just stating the facts...BIG DIFFERENCE.

Secondly , others have called him out being arrogant because he said that he gave up play calling duties because the full team needed him.

That's not arrogant either , that's him once again explaining why? its as simple as that.

He also explained today , that it was in the best interests of the team for him to hand over play calling duties to Sullivan. That's not the sign of an arrogant coach.

I'm sorry but some of you don't know what a truly arrogant person is. Someone who is arrogant looks down on other people. Someone who is arrogant has a superior than thou attitude.

I'm not seeing it from him. Does he have confidence yes , does he respect his players yes. Does he keep personal conversations private yes , does his team play hard for him yes. And finally does he not reveal confidential matters to the media , yes.

Like I said the other day , if this defense played like they are capable of earlier in the year we would be 4-2 right now.

Something to think about.

The defense was certainly coming up short  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 7:57 pm : link
And deserved a fair share of the blame. They had been pretty mediocre right out of the gate at week 1. They donít have the built in excuse of being worn out from being on the field too much.
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arcarsenal : 10/16/2017 8:01 pm : link
They might also be 4-2 if he hadn't simply handed OL jobs to players who didn't deserve them for the sake of "continuity"...

How many times?  
Marty866b : 10/16/2017 8:04 pm : link
Has this coach thrown his quarterback under the bus? He can't evaluate the talent on his own team and calls a terrible game. This team has underachieved and is 1-5 with the season basically over after 5 games and you want to know why he is hated here?
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ghost718 : 10/16/2017 8:07 pm : link
Lol this should go well...  
NYG07 : 10/16/2017 8:11 pm : link
I have been very critical of Manning not living up to his cap number recently, but McAdoo has been out of line for throwing him under the bus ("Sloppy quarterback play", etc.). As head coach, you should be a leader and a motivator, and he has been neither. He continually deflects blame to others.

Secondly, while we may never know, most of us agree on this board that he did not willingly give up play calling duty, but that it came from upstairs. Instead of admitting that what he was doing wasn't working or that he was stretched too thin trying to be so involved in the offense while trying to run the whole team, he tries to claim that "the entire team needed him this week." I certainly do not hate McAdoo, and have no idea whether he will be a successful head coach in this league. But it continues to appear that he will say anything to cover his ass.

Hatred is a strong word  
ij_reilly : 10/16/2017 8:15 pm : link
I don't think there are many here who hate the man. That's kind of silly.

Overall, I believe he has done a poor job of coaching this team this year. The team was unprepared for Dallas, was outcoached several times, he made poor in-game decisions leaving points on the board. His offensive is predictable and dull. He handed the starting RB job to Perkins with no competition. He handed the starting RT job to Hart with no competition (Fluker was brought in as a guard).

I don't hate him, but his lousy coaching cost this team a wasted year.
The hatred towards MacAdoo  
joeinpa : 10/16/2017 8:17 pm : link
Is a knee jerk reaction to a disappointing season, it s what fans do. I just wish they wouldn't try to legitimize the transparent nature of their complaints by speaking with such certainty.

Having said that much of the criticism has been warranted as is mentioned in this thread by another poster. However, people seem to forget that you grow into a job

MacAdoo has qualities that could make him a good coach. Certainly getting the team well enough prepared to get such an improbable win says something about his abilities going forward.
When you start 0-5  
ChathamMark : 10/16/2017 8:21 pm : link
and were assumed to be a playoff team, you are going to get a lot of heat, especially in the New York market/area. And McAdoo deserves some of that. Like Parcells said, "head coaches get too much credit when they win, and too much blame when they lose". Part of the job.
Your thread title references "Hatred",  
Diver_Down : 10/16/2017 8:21 pm : link
but you only bring up examples of arrogance. Do you have some examples of the hatred?
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robbieballs2003 : 10/16/2017 8:22 pm : link
Sorry Mrs McAdoo.  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2017 8:29 pm : link
Your husband is a shitty coach. If it's any consolation your are even worse at posting anything resembling a good point thoughts and reasoned arguements than he is at calling plays.

Hope he gets a new job soon more in line with his skills.
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yankees78 : 10/16/2017 8:32 pm : link
I hates him.
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sxdxca : 10/16/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13652379 arcarsenal said:
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They might also be 4-2 if he hadn't simply handed OL jobs to players who didn't deserve them for the sake of "continuity"...


Weren't these the same fans who hated Coughlin as well because he was loyal to a fault? I mean how many times did he stick David Diehl when he was past his prime. Coughlin would have done the same thing. Veterans almost never lost there job.
RE: How many times?  
sxdxca : 10/16/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13652381 Marty866b said:
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Has this coach thrown his quarterback under the bus? He can't evaluate the talent on his own team and calls a terrible game. This team has underachieved and is 1-5 with the season basically over after 5 games and you want to know why he is hated here?


When Coughlin was here , there were times you could see how frustrated he was with Eli for throwing some terrible boneheaded pick 6 and killing the team. For McAdoo just saying that the qb needs to play better isn't a problem. In the first two games Eli needed to play better , since then he's gotten much better
We finally played..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2017 8:41 pm : link
a game where we utilized 2 TE's the majority of the time and ran the ball very well.

McAdoo had an entire year to try and figure out how to beat the Cover 2 and work more than just the 11 personnel into the mix.

It took one game under a different playcaller to figure it out.

I don't get this idea there is hatred for McAdoo from other than a couple of morons. Certainly not to the level Reese and Coughlin were getting lit up.

There are legitimate complaints against his offense, the way he handles the Media, especially in regards to Eli, and his inability to use a second TE or a FB. That isn't hatred.
Ah..  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 10/16/2017 8:41 pm : link
the ole Giants finally won a game where he gave up playcalling... so lets forget the first 5 weeks and start poking at BBI for have legitimate gripes about his style and playcalling.
I don't see that much hatred of McAdoo  
Dr. D : 10/16/2017 8:44 pm : link
I don't hate anyone and I'm usually very hesitant to second guess professional football people, but some of the decisions made by the HC have not been great, to put it nicely.

It's easy to Monday morning QB, but there have been a lot of stuff I questioned at the time like: not taking points with a FG right before the half when pinning the opponent (if you fail to convert) doesn't help, abandoning the run early (resulting in bad TOP, tired D, etc.), sticking with certain players who obviously aren't performing, sticking with bad play calling, etc.

This team had a bunch of talent and underperformed. That often goes to coaching.



RE: RE: How many times?  
Diver_Down : 10/16/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13652421 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13652381 Marty866b said:


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Has this coach thrown his quarterback under the bus? He can't evaluate the talent on his own team and calls a terrible game. This team has underachieved and is 1-5 with the season basically over after 5 games and you want to know why he is hated here?



When Coughlin was here , there were times you could see how frustrated he was with Eli for throwing some terrible boneheaded pick 6 and killing the team. For McAdoo just saying that the qb needs to play better isn't a problem. In the first two games Eli needed to play better , since then he's gotten much better


Wait, you are equivocating an emotional physical reaction during a game and actual public remarks in a press conference throwing a 2x SB MVP Champion under the bus?
This is hilarious to me  
B in ALB : 10/16/2017 8:45 pm : link
He also explained today , that it was in the best interests of the team for him to hand over play calling duties to Sullivan. That's not the sign of an arrogant coach.

But his reason why? Because the entire team needed him. Is that right Ben? Talk about arrogant. The team would be just fine without you. Gimme a fuckin break.
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arcarsenal : 10/16/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13652418 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13652379 arcarsenal said:


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They might also be 4-2 if he hadn't simply handed OL jobs to players who didn't deserve them for the sake of "continuity"...




Weren't these the same fans who hated Coughlin as well because he was loyal to a fault? I mean how many times did he stick David Diehl when he was past his prime. Coughlin would have done the same thing. Veterans almost never lost there job.


Bobby Hart is a veteran?

What about the RB's? Is Paul Perkins a veteran?

Also, enough with the "hate" stuff... disagreeing with a coaches decisions or pointing out when he's dong a poor job doesn't necessarily mean fans hate them.
RE: We finally played..  
sxdxca : 10/16/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13652427 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a game where we utilized 2 TE's the majority of the time and ran the ball very well.

McAdoo had an entire year to try and figure out how to beat the Cover 2 and work more than just the 11 personnel into the mix.

It took one game under a different playcaller to figure it out.


Last year they didn't have the tight ends or the fb to make the plays work. Also having bobby hart injured , and moving pugh to rt and jerry to lg , opened the spot for fluker at rg , which has opened the run game.

I don't get this idea there is hatred for McAdoo from other than a couple of morons. Certainly not to the level Reese and Coughlin were getting lit up.

There are legitimate complaints against his offense, the way he handles the Media, especially in regards to Eli, and his inability to use a second TE or a FB. That isn't hatred.
They..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2017 8:53 pm : link
went out and got a TE and a FB this year.

Ellison had been playing less than a third oft he plays and the FB was cut and not used even in goalline situations.

One game under Sullivan and Ellison's snaps doubled.
They havenít scored 28 points  
Rflairr : 10/16/2017 9:01 pm : link
Since heís been coach. His offense is a failure. His play calling is an even bigger failure
RE: They..  
sxdxca : 10/16/2017 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13652462 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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went out and got a TE and a FB this year.

Ellison had been playing less than a third oft he plays and the FB was cut and not used even in goalline situations.

One game under Sullivan and Ellison's snaps doubled.


Good point if that is true , I didn't realize that
RE: Lol this should go well...  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/16/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13652390 NYG07 said:
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I have been very critical of Manning not living up to his cap number recently, but McAdoo has been out of line for throwing him under the bus ("Sloppy quarterback play", etc.). As head coach, you should be a leader and a motivator, and he has been neither. He continually deflects blame to others.

Secondly, while we may never know, most of us agree on this board that he did not willingly give up play calling duty, but that it came from upstairs. Instead of admitting that what he was doing wasn't working or that he was stretched too thin trying to be so involved in the offense while trying to run the whole team, he tries to claim that "the entire team needed him this week." I certainly do not hate McAdoo, and have no idea whether he will be a successful head coach in this league. But it continues to appear that he will say anything to cover his ass.

"Sloppy quarterback play" referred specifically to not getting the play off or calling a timeout with the play clock winding down. Whether or not you agree with BMc's decision to go for it there, it was a disjointed effort to not either get the ball snapped or call a timeout. He also called out Richburg in the same sentence, but I don't see anyone getting their panties twisted about that.

This idea that he has repeatedly called out Eli is a pure media creation. And the idea that he has never called out any other player or position group is a BBI creation. Back in March when he said that Eli needed to play with "fast feet" the very first position group that he acknowledges is at fault is the OL, but BBI would have you believe that he has never blamed the OL. It's a farce.
I don't hate the guy, BUT  
Red Dog : 10/16/2017 9:21 pm : link
I also don't think he's a good head coach.
RE: RE: Lol this should go well...  
sxdxca : 10/16/2017 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13652528 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13652390 NYG07 said:


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I have been very critical of Manning not living up to his cap number recently, but McAdoo has been out of line for throwing him under the bus ("Sloppy quarterback play", etc.). As head coach, you should be a leader and a motivator, and he has been neither. He continually deflects blame to others.

Secondly, while we may never know, most of us agree on this board that he did not willingly give up play calling duty, but that it came from upstairs. Instead of admitting that what he was doing wasn't working or that he was stretched too thin trying to be so involved in the offense while trying to run the whole team, he tries to claim that "the entire team needed him this week." I certainly do not hate McAdoo, and have no idea whether he will be a successful head coach in this league. But it continues to appear that he will say anything to cover his ass.



"Sloppy quarterback play" referred specifically to not getting the play off or calling a timeout with the play clock winding down. Whether or not you agree with BMc's decision to go for it there, it was a disjointed effort to not either get the ball snapped or call a timeout. He also called out Richburg in the same sentence, but I don't see anyone getting their panties twisted about that.

This idea that he has repeatedly called out Eli is a pure media creation. And the idea that he has never called out any other player or position group is a BBI creation. Back in March when he said that Eli needed to play with "fast feet" the very first position group that he acknowledges is at fault is the OL, but BBI would have you believe that he has never blamed the OL. It's a farce.


Gatorade thanks for standing up for me , I appreciated your well researched points
RE: RE: Lol this should go well...  
NYG07 : 10/16/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13652528 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13652390 NYG07 said:


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I have been very critical of Manning not living up to his cap number recently, but McAdoo has been out of line for throwing him under the bus ("Sloppy quarterback play", etc.). As head coach, you should be a leader and a motivator, and he has been neither. He continually deflects blame to others.

Secondly, while we may never know, most of us agree on this board that he did not willingly give up play calling duty, but that it came from upstairs. Instead of admitting that what he was doing wasn't working or that he was stretched too thin trying to be so involved in the offense while trying to run the whole team, he tries to claim that "the entire team needed him this week." I certainly do not hate McAdoo, and have no idea whether he will be a successful head coach in this league. But it continues to appear that he will say anything to cover his ass.



"Sloppy quarterback play" referred specifically to not getting the play off or calling a timeout with the play clock winding down. Whether or not you agree with BMc's decision to go for it there, it was a disjointed effort to not either get the ball snapped or call a timeout. He also called out Richburg in the same sentence, but I don't see anyone getting their panties twisted about that.

This idea that he has repeatedly called out Eli is a pure media creation. And the idea that he has never called out any other player or position group is a BBI creation. Back in March when he said that Eli needed to play with "fast feet" the very first position group that he acknowledges is at fault is the OL, but BBI would have you believe that he has never blamed the OL. It's a farce.


Yes, I am fully aware of the play he was referring to when he made the comment, and he still should never have made it. He could have just as easily called timeout from the sideline when he saw the play clock running out.
We're 1-5  
Joey in VA : 10/16/2017 9:37 pm : link
STFU. Jesus, he's done a shit job for 5 weeks, we won A GAME and now you're a football expert?
I'm sorry, "unjustified"?  
Natek212 : 10/16/2017 10:06 pm : link
We started the season 0-5 after most had us pegged as Super Bowl contenders. And you're shocked fans aren't kissing his ass? Seriously?
There was/is no hate for McAdoo.  
compton : 10/16/2017 10:15 pm : link
Fans can into this season with high expectations and became critical of McAdoo as the season went south. Fans are simply vocally critical of McAdoo.
I take you it don't watch his pressers  
JohnB : 10/16/2017 10:16 pm : link
he is damn arrogant. So was Tom Coughlin in 2005 (and before). It is simply calling it like it is. That doesn't mean he's a bad coach or that he should be fired. It's just he's an arrogant prick.

Having a 3-13 season is a good reason to fire him though.
Macs best move so far this season has been to remove himself  
PatersonPlank : 10/16/2017 10:16 pm : link
from the offense. Perhaps if he removes himself from everything else we will win the SB.

I don't hate him, I just think he sucks
Nobody thought he sucked last year  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 10:28 pm : link
Didn't hear these impassioned ironclad opinions five games ago. Most of us figured this team was a lock for the conference title game. Now if you were new to this place you'd think everyone here saw this coming and knew all along.
RE: Nobody thought he sucked last year  
NYG07 : 10/16/2017 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13652683 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Didn't hear these impassioned ironclad opinions five games ago. Most of us figured this team was a lock for the conference title game. Now if you were new to this place you'd think everyone here saw this coming and knew all along.


No, none of us said he sucked, but I certainly do not remember anyone praising him as the next great coach. We were all just ecstatic to have a winning team after years of disappointment. It is pretty obvious that the reason we were so good last year was because we had a suffocating defense that was 2nd in the league in scoring defense. Surprise, surprise, the defense from last year finally came to play last night, and we won.

The Giants won a ton of close games last year that could have gone the other way. He should have realized earlier this year that the same formula was not working and should have made adjustments sooner.
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arcarsenal : 10/16/2017 11:24 pm : link
I thought he did a good job in terms of game management last year but the offensive struggles were still well-noted.

It's also possible to change or alter an opinion once a sample size becomes larger.

I don't think there's anything wrong with highlighting what he did well last year, what could have been better, and opining on the job he's done so far this year, which, has mostly been poor/underwhelming.
he doesnt seem very comfortable or engaging  
fame56 : 10/16/2017 11:28 pm : link
with the press/media...he's only been hc for 22 games, maybe that will get better

took guts to suspend drc, doesnt seem like he's intimidated by the job, just needs time to learn and refind head coaching like skills

should be interesting rest of the year
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Ten Ton Hammer : 10/16/2017 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13652780 arcarsenal said:
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I thought he did a good job in terms of game management last year but the offensive struggles were still well-noted.

It's also possible to change or alter an opinion once a sample size becomes larger.

I don't think there's anything wrong with highlighting what he did well last year, what could have been better, and opining on the job he's done so far this year, which, has mostly been poor/underwhelming.


I'm fine with criticism, but the emotional swings here run extreme. The same guy we were expecting to be the coach of a team with super bowl intentions and not questioning it much at all, all offseason long, suddenly can't coach and needs to be sent out into the ocean on a raft. We have a habit of doing that around here, not just to McAdoo, and it's grating. Criticise away. He could have done a lot better. He's also taking a lot of heat that should be directed at Reese for saddling him with this offensive line, and the only alternatives for that OL that were made available were less appealing than back of the refrigerator leftovers.

His mistake, and it WAS a mistake, was trusting the guys that he went with last season because nobody else stepped up. And they rewarded him by playing terrible football. If that's a crime, it's one that Tom Coughlin was a repeat offender with too.

And also, this defense was a total letdown for 4 weeks man. In all the anger for McAdoo, they have kind of gotten an undeserved pass for their play up till this week. Especially considering how they tore up the preseason and talked a LOT about what they were going to do and how ready they were.
I will second that Arc  
Bluesbreaker : 10/17/2017 12:52 am : link
His offense sucks his attitude is no better he can take
his dink and dunk offense elsewhere .
I'll say this for McAdoo  
SHO'NUFF : 10/17/2017 12:57 am : link
He deserves a chance to pick his own staff before he gets the axe.
So let me understand  
montanagiant : 10/17/2017 1:18 am : link
Prior to this week it was NOT in the team's best interest that he give it his full attention?

If you really think about that statement you realize how stupid it was for him to say it
Joey's  
prdave73 : 10/17/2017 2:17 am : link
response said it best.. no need to say more.
RE: We finally played..  
Matt M. : 10/17/2017 2:26 am : link
In comment 13652427 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a game where we utilized 2 TE's the majority of the time and ran the ball very well.

McAdoo had an entire year to try and figure out how to beat the Cover 2 and work more than just the 11 personnel into the mix.

It took one game under a different playcaller to figure it out.

I don't get this idea there is hatred for McAdoo from other than a couple of morons. Certainly not to the level Reese and Coughlin were getting lit up.

There are legitimate complaints against his offense, the way he handles the Media, especially in regards to Eli, and his inability to use a second TE or a FB. That isn't hatred.
Well put. I have been openly critical of McAdoo since last year. But, there is plenty to be critical of, which you have pointed out. I thought he was doing a fantastic job as an OC; much better than I expected. But, once he became HC, his offense changed and changed for the worse.

As you pointed out, last year his refusal to run any other formations and limited personnel packages made it very easy to defend us. This season was just as bad, with more weapons. Yet, Sullivan, who I wasn't expecting much from, came right in and utilized multiple formations and packages, actually threw to the TE, etc. Granted, a lot of that probably has to do with the WR situation. So, it does merit watching for the next couple of games.

On top of the offensive problems, you have the players questioning him, his poor handling of the press, throwing his best player under the bus on multiple occasions, etc. There is plenty to be critical of.

To me, he doesn't deserve praise for giving up playcalling. It is something that should have been done weeks ago...or months ago, like when he was promoted.
He is the definition of...  
silverfox : 10/17/2017 6:27 am : link
...insanity with his shit show 11 personnel formations . Thank goodness he was removed from the play calling decisions and our TEs are a much bigger part of the offense as is the running game. He is an idiot. I donít hate him but I feel he is not a bright guy.
No hatred  
Sec 103 : 10/17/2017 7:11 am : link
he just sux!!!
Hate him  
XBRONX : 10/17/2017 7:21 am : link
He didn't send me a birthday card.
I don't hate him ...  
Beer Man : 10/17/2017 8:20 am : link
I just think the Giants need and deserve a real HC
silly to hate him  
xtian : 10/17/2017 8:23 am : link
mcadoo is young and not a seasoned coach. he does have a great work ethic and all his previous head coaches have given him good grades. i expect he will do well in the long run. remember parcell's first year was 3-12.

i have been disappointed in his play calling since he became the HC, but previously as OC, he was good. cannot explain that except maybe he is too distracted being HC. anyway, he finally did give it up.

i didn't blame mcadoo for the starting OL alignment at the beginning of the season, but couldn't believe they didn't keep fluker in after he got into the lineup since their running game noticeably improved and jerry was getting blown up. at least, that only lasted a few series. he does get credit for moving pugh to RT. and i think jerry is better suited to play LG which is more of a pulling, non-smashmouth position compared to RG.

i'm glad the giants are not a knee-jerk organization. it usually pays off. at least, when people fail, you know they have been given every chance to succeed.
RE: They..  
Victor in CT : 10/17/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13652462 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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went out and got a TE and a FB this year.

Ellison had been playing less than a third oft he plays and the FB was cut and not used even in goalline situations.

One game under Sullivan and Ellison's snaps doubled.


Amazing isn't it? There was even a Jerell Adams sighting. This is what has me wavering on McAdoo. The OLwas struggling, the FO gives you 3 (4 with LaCosse) 4 TEs and FB, yet you pass 80% of the time using that fucking 11 formation. Line 2 TE's and let them chip on the way out on pass plays and it slows the rush. They can block and help the running game.
I'm not going to defend McAdoo here,  
Section331 : 10/17/2017 9:45 am : link
he has a lot to answer for the way this season has started, but I do wonder if he and Eli have an understanding regarding McAdoo's criticism. With young players in the line up, Eli may have allowed McAdoo to give him some blame to redirect the heat from the younger guys. It isn't that unusual.
One game doesn't change that  
Beer Man : 10/17/2017 10:33 am : link
Mac is in way over his head.
RE: I'm not going to defend McAdoo here,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 11:16 am : link
In comment 13653086 Section331 said:
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he has a lot to answer for the way this season has started, but I do wonder if he and Eli have an understanding regarding McAdoo's criticism. With young players in the line up, Eli may have allowed McAdoo to give him some blame to redirect the heat from the younger guys. It isn't that unusual.


Considering that Eli actually said that in interviews ("He know that I can take it"), the overreaction to Mac's comments about Eli has been ridiculous. The over the top criticism of McAdoo on BBI has been ridiculous.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13652827 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13652780 arcarsenal said:


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I thought he did a good job in terms of game management last year but the offensive struggles were still well-noted.

It's also possible to change or alter an opinion once a sample size becomes larger.

I don't think there's anything wrong with highlighting what he did well last year, what could have been better, and opining on the job he's done so far this year, which, has mostly been poor/underwhelming.



I'm fine with criticism, but the emotional swings here run extreme. The same guy we were expecting to be the coach of a team with super bowl intentions and not questioning it much at all, all offseason long, suddenly can't coach and needs to be sent out into the ocean on a raft. We have a habit of doing that around here, not just to McAdoo, and it's grating. Criticise away. He could have done a lot better. He's also taking a lot of heat that should be directed at Reese for saddling him with this offensive line, and the only alternatives for that OL that were made available were less appealing than back of the refrigerator leftovers.

His mistake, and it WAS a mistake, was trusting the guys that he went with last season because nobody else stepped up. And they rewarded him by playing terrible football. If that's a crime, it's one that Tom Coughlin was a repeat offender with too.

And also, this defense was a total letdown for 4 weeks man. In all the anger for McAdoo, they have kind of gotten an undeserved pass for their play up till this week. Especially considering how they tore up the preseason and talked a LOT about what they were going to do and how ready they were.


Well, I can't speak for other posters - but I've been critical of the defense from the very first game this year.

I said several times that good wasn't good enough - this was supposed to be an elite unit. Top 5.. closer to top 3. Less than that would be a disappointment, and the inability to get a stop late in games, allowing teams to keep drives alive by converting critical 3rd downs, and the failure to generate turnovers is not what any of us expected to see.

What we saw on Sunday night looked a lot more like what I had expected this year. Not sure why it took until Week 6 to see it - but here we are.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13653298 arcarsenal said:
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I said several times that good wasn't good enough - this was supposed to be an elite unit. Top 5.. closer to top 3. Less than that would be a disappointment, and the inability to get a stop late in games, allowing teams to keep drives alive by converting critical 3rd downs, and the failure to generate turnovers is not what any of us expected to see.

What we saw on Sunday night looked a lot more like what I had expected this year. Not sure why it took until Week 6 to see it - but here we are.


ITA. We've had leads with 3 minutes left in each of the past 4 games. A defense that performs NEAR the level we expected prior to the season means we have at least a 3-3 record despite the schedule and the HC who supposedly is in over his head. I'm shocked by our inability to stop the run and especially shocked by how much Eli Apple regressed. But the biggest factor late in games has probably been our inability to rush the passer without a blitz.
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arcarsenal : 10/17/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13653313 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I said several times that good wasn't good enough - this was supposed to be an elite unit. Top 5.. closer to top 3. Less than that would be a disappointment, and the inability to get a stop late in games, allowing teams to keep drives alive by converting critical 3rd downs, and the failure to generate turnovers is not what any of us expected to see.

What we saw on Sunday night looked a lot more like what I had expected this year. Not sure why it took until Week 6 to see it - but here we are.



ITA. We've had leads with 3 minutes left in each of the past 4 games. A defense that performs NEAR the level we expected prior to the season means we have at least a 3-3 record despite the schedule and the HC who supposedly is in over his head. I'm shocked by our inability to stop the run and especially shocked by how much Eli Apple regressed. But the biggest factor late in games has probably been our inability to rush the passer without a blitz.


I think there are two ways to look at it.

Your point is fair - if the defense had been able to get a stop late in the Eagles, Bucs, or Chargers games, or made a play when we needed one most, we likely win those games.

However, I don't think that should totally absolve the coach.

I think it's his fault that we went into this season with a less than optimal OL configuration and a starting RB who basically didn't lose his job until he got hurt despite the fact that he was averaging UNDER 2 YPC.

I also think the playcalling left a lot to be desired. It wasn't a coincidence that in our first two games of the year, we had our worst offensive performances in games where this coach literally refused to run the football on consecutive plays or even attempt to establish anything on the ground.

I honestly am not sure that Bobby Hart or Paul Perkins ever would have lost their jobs if they hadn't gotten hurt.

I think the stubbornness of this coach definitely hurt the team earlier in the year.

This season isn't ALL his fault - but blame absolutely has to fall on his shoulders because some of it is deserved.

This football team was too talented to need 6 games just to get one win.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13653330 arcarsenal said:
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I think there are two ways to look at it.

Your point is fair - if the defense had been able to get a stop late in the Eagles, Bucs, or Chargers games, or made a play when we needed one most, we likely win those games.

However, I don't think that should totally absolve the coach.

I think it's his fault that we went into this season with a less than optimal OL configuration and a starting RB who basically didn't lose his job until he got hurt despite the fact that he was averaging UNDER 2 YPC.

I also think the playcalling left a lot to be desired. It wasn't a coincidence that in our first two games of the year, we had our worst offensive performances in games where this coach literally refused to run the football on consecutive plays or even attempt to establish anything on the ground.

I honestly am not sure that Bobby Hart or Paul Perkins ever would have lost their jobs if they hadn't gotten hurt.

I think the stubbornness of this coach definitely hurt the team earlier in the year.

This season isn't ALL his fault - but blame absolutely has to fall on his shoulders because some of it is deserved.

This football team was too talented to need 6 games just to get one win.


I'm not going to assume he would never do XYZ if not for injuries. Last season, he phased out Rashad Jennings and put in Perkins over the final 5 weeks of the year. They also did a good job with Eli Apple last year... benching him when he deserved it and starting him when he earned it. It's not like Mac has shown he's incapable of change. I know writers were sounding the alarm about Perkins way back in training camp, but I think it's asking a lot to expect the coach to dump a guy who showed so much promise last year a month into this season. It's something Bill Belicheck would do, but there's only one BB. The o-line alignment is a more difficult discussion for me because none of these guys are exactly perfect out there.

He's the coach and definitely deserves criticism for an 0-5 start. But A LOT of people on BBI are saying...

- he's in over his head
- he can't motivate
- he can't coach at all
- he's the worst since He who shall not be named (who took over a Super Bowl winning team by the way)
- he had the worst month coaching in team history

That criticism is just WAY over the top. The Hall of Fame coach Mac replaced had six and seven game losing streaks his last 2 years with the team. There's a lot of season left and anything can happen, but trying to run the guy out of town already is foolish.
RE: Sorry Mrs McAdoo.  
Gmen8691 : 10/17/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13652412 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Your husband is a shitty coach. If it's any consolation your are even worse at posting anything resembling a good point thoughts and reasoned arguements than he is at calling plays.

Hope he gets a new job soon more in line with his skills.

LOL! I swear I was thinking this! Must be a family member. And he's predicable and stubborn. And this last game vs Denver proved how his stubbornness to make changes lead to this 0-5 start!
RE: Lol this should go well...  
Jersey55 : 10/18/2017 10:44 am : link
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I have been very critical of Manning not living up to his cap number recently, but McAdoo has been out of line for throwing him under the bus ("Sloppy quarterback play", etc.). As head coach, you should be a leader and a motivator, and he has been neither. He continually deflects blame to others.

Secondly, while we may never know, most of us agree on this board that he did not willingly give up play calling duty, but that it came from upstairs. Instead of admitting that what he was doing wasn't working or that he was stretched too thin trying to be so involved in the offense while trying to run the whole team, he tries to claim that "the entire team needed him this week." I certainly do not hate McAdoo, and have no idea whether he will be a successful head coach in this league. But it continues to appear that he will say anything to cover his ass.

McAdoo obviously has an agenda with Eli and if thats the case then these things he has said to the media should have been said privately behind closed doors and not publicly...
I wonder if the team will "need BigMac" again this week  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2017 11:58 am : link
Because you know, a team doesn't always need its HC.
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