"By the way, kudos to Manning, who put together an instructional tape for his young receivers to study. Manning covered everything from the calls to routes, and then some, to help get his receivers up to speed as quickly as possible."
I hadn't seen this here and it's amazing that Manning is such a dedicated teacher/leader for the Giants.
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Because things change and evolve throughout the season.
I hope he retires a Giant.
Many fans of this team don’t realize how much they will miss him once it’s over.
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Is that King and Lewis have been on this team.its not like they picked up strangers off the street and handed them all jobs. Why do backup WRs who made the team need remedial courses on how to play the offense they should already know.
Because things change and evolve throughout the season.
There aren't many changes teams make in-season, certainly not five weeks into the year. There's simply no practice time for it once the regular season starts. You have the bye week to adjust and that's pretty much it. I can't imagine what would have changed in five weeks for players that have been here long term who you would expect are the first guys off the bench as backups.
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Is that King and Lewis have been on this team.its not like they picked up strangers off the street and handed them all jobs. Why do backup WRs who made the team need remedial courses on how to play the offense they should already know.
Because things change and evolve throughout the season.
There aren't many changes teams make in-season, certainly not five weeks into the year. There's simply no practice time for it once the regular season starts. You have the bye week to adjust and that's pretty much it. I can't imagine what would have changed in five weeks for players that have been here long term who you would expect are the first guys off the bench as backups.
You sound like you have never played before. Yes, there is time to make adjustments. I don't know what to tell you. Do you really think Eli is doing this because the guys don't know the offense? Or maybe because if you arent there for all the adjustments that are made from week to week that you want to make sure everybody is on the same page?
I guess it's nice that someone was on it though.
No, but I have played at the college level and have coached for many years. What do you think teams practice during the week? What do you think they study? If you arent constantly adjusting and evolving then you aren't doing your job.
Lets take something simple. There have been reports that other teams know our plays? How? We are a team that spends a ton of time not huddling so how do we get the plays to the receivers? The answer is hand signals. Well, the defenses have eyes too and can pick that up. So, maybe, just maybe something as simple as different hand signals are being used. Now, a guy like King and Rudolph who missed time could use a video to help them remember all the changes because now they have to unlearn the signals tbey know and learn new ones but not just good enough to take a long time to put it all together but quick enough to get the signal and lineup and process the information where they are effective on the field.
There are many different ways tbey could have tweeked the offense where these guys can be on the same page. Sad? Hardly.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/10/04/nfl-coaches-frustrated-lack-practice-time/F7e3C8QzCeuqMLLU3I616H/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/10/04/nfl-coaches-frustrated-lack-practice-time/F7e3C8QzCeuqMLLU3I616H/story.html
The problem is preparing on the field. The issue is not preparing mentally. These players all have tablets that they watch film on. If you think they aren't working more than the times you mentioned I don't know what to tell you. Most of the NFL takes place in meetings now so that they are fully prepared when they step on that practice field. So, when you hear coaches say we are on to the next opponent they really mean they are onto the next opponent.
So, back to your comment. It isn't disappointing that Eli did this. It isn't disappointing if these new WRs needed more mental reps. You said it yourself, time is limited in the NFL now so you have to do things like this.
Backup WRs sometimes come in for a play or 2 in relief, and their play package is often limited to what they do best, then get weened in on the sidelines in mini refreshers.
The now starter must (re)learn the whole package so as not to let the D isolate on what the receivers most likely routes. You often need to reteach any backup about situational play; there is also the blocking side of a WR, like for the quick out, screen, or the hot guy.
Backup WRs sometimes come in for a play or 2 in relief, and their play package is often limited to what they do best, then get weened in on the sidelines in mini refreshers.
The now starter must (re)learn the whole package so as not to let the D isolate on what the receivers most likely routes. You often need to reteach any backup about situational play; there is also the blocking side of a WR, like for the quick out, screen, or the hot guy.
And a guy like Lewis may be giving the defense looks in practice when we had Beckham, Shepard, Marshall, and Harris healthy. So, he could have been stretched thin. There could be a bunch of reasons why these guys needed Eli to do this that are not negative reasons.
I hope he retires a Giant.
Many fans of this team don’t realize how much they will miss him once it’s over.
No need to make accusations about what the coaches did, or did not do. They likely had their own crash course for the new receivers.
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Is that King and Lewis have been on this team.its not like they picked up strangers off the street and handed them all jobs. Why do backup WRs who made the team need remedial courses on how to play the offense they should already know.
Because things change and evolve throughout the season.
There aren't many changes teams make in-season, certainly not five weeks into the year. There's simply no practice time for it once the regular season starts. You have the bye week to adjust and that's pretty much it. I can't imagine what would have changed in five weeks for players that have been here long term who you would expect are the first guys off the bench as backups.
But let's not stop there, what about Andy Reid or Sean Payton? To suggest there's little adjustment after the season starts may be one of the more ridiculous things I've ever read.
But, it's great to hear that Eli is doing everything he can to help this team win.
But, it's great to hear that Eli is doing everything he can to help this team win.
Eli is not doing the coaches job. He is supplementing it. The CBA limits what the coaches can do on the field. Eli put the video together and the WRs can take it home and study it.
Did you see the video (from NBC) of him before the game in pre-warmups going over routes with the new guys? Games turn on one play and a misread by a WR can cause an INT.
But maybe the instructional video sucked...
But maybe the instructional video sucked...
Can I get a copy of your all 22 so I can see the 7 missed blocks?
got out there at some point in time I didn't notice him
playing myself .
Dude is a true pro.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
If you don't think a veteran starting QBs job is to establish a rapport and comfort level with his receivers, especially those recently signed or promoted from the PS, I don't know what to tell you. Or is that just your means to a backhanded slap at the HC?
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
If you don't think a veteran starting QBs job is to establish a rapport and comfort level with his receivers, especially those recently signed or promoted from the PS, I don't know what to tell you. Or is that just your means to a backhanded slap at the HC?
I think there is a huge difference between a rookie QB with no chance at seeing playing time being coached by coaches and not the starting QB vs newish WRs who WILL be playing and being explained about reads and routes the the starting QB wants them to be aware of.
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
If you don't think a veteran starting QBs job is to establish a rapport and comfort level with his receivers, especially those recently signed or promoted from the PS, I don't know what to tell you. Or is that just your means to a backhanded slap at the HC?
I think there is a huge difference between a rookie QB with no chance at seeing playing time being coached by coaches and not the starting QB vs newish WRs who WILL be playing and being explained about reads and routes the the starting QB wants them to be aware of.
The point is that NJM put the emphasis that It IS Eli's job. The HC disputes that notion with his public comments so it apparently is NOT Eli's job. As many others on this thread are discussing that the coaches should have created the learning tool instead of Eli and good on Eli for taking the initiative for doing so. But the fact remains, it is NOT his job.
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
If you don't think a veteran starting QBs job is to establish a rapport and comfort level with his receivers, especially those recently signed or promoted from the PS, I don't know what to tell you. Or is that just your means to a backhanded slap at the HC?
Are we discussing a rapport and comfort level or are we talking about the premise of the thread that Eli created a video to assist/coach the new WRs in hand signals? You decide as apparently you are content in moving the goal posts to assist you in scoring your points.
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The point is that NJM put the emphasis that It IS Eli's job. The HC disputes that notion with his public comments so it apparently is NOT Eli's job. As many others on this thread are discussing that the coaches should have created the learning tool instead of Eli and good on Eli for taking the initiative for doing so. But the fact remains, it is NOT his job.
Now you are getting into semantics. It is not his JOB - he doesn't get paid to coach WRs. But it is his JOB (responsibility if it pleases you) to make certain that they are on the same page as he is and only he can tell them what he sees and what he does when he reads the defense.
But no it is not his JOB.
Or Shockey or Burress......
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Aren't you missing the point? It's not Eli's job to coach players up. He did it because he wants to help them perform better so then the team performs better. That's leadership get it? Why the negativity around what is a generous act? Crazy way to see things if you ask me.
No. It IS Eli's job, but not only Eli's job. Add the HC, OC and assistant coaches to those who should do it. The fact that Eli was so diligent is what we should be applauding.
It is not his job. If you think it is, then you haven't been paying attention. Back in the Spring when Webb was picked, there was speculation that Eli would serve as a great mentor and player-coach for the rookie. Brylcream Ben put that to rest stating that he only wants Eli focusing on playing better and to leave the coaching up to the staff. So which is it? Ben want the players to play and the coaches to coach? or NJM redefining the job title of Eli?
If you don't think a veteran starting QBs job is to establish a rapport and comfort level with his receivers, especially those recently signed or promoted from the PS, I don't know what to tell you. Or is that just your means to a backhanded slap at the HC?
Are we discussing a rapport and comfort level or are we talking about the premise of the thread that Eli created a video to assist/coach the new WRs in hand signals? You decide as apparently you are content in moving the goal posts to assist you in scoring your points.
Have you ever supervised younger or inexperienced people who are part of your "team"? If putting together a video or memo that makes the team more efficient and/or cohesive you do it. Goal post moving? Please.
We will miss Eli immensely when he is gone.
We will miss Eli immensely when he is gone.
Don't the Giants (thanks to this season) have the third best record in the division since Eli took over as starter despite all those other QBs coming and going?
We'll survive, as harsh as it sounds.
thats a good question, if these guys need a special course in this offense then maybe the reason they haven't been starters is because they haven't been paying attention to their playbook...
Yup. This thread is such a shit read that I stopped after a handful of posts.