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Pep22 : 10/17/2017 8:24 am
Notable cuts:

Wade Baldwin, a 17th overall pick last year (long armed combo guard from Vandy) was cut

Same for Jameer Nelson

NYK cast off Marshall Plumlee

Cameron Oliver

Gerald Green
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Around the league, my opinion:

While the Spurs deserve the benefit of the doubt, this is the least impressive roster I've seen for them in a long time. Add to that the injury woes to Leonard/Parker and this team is at risk of a slide versus usual success.

To a lesser extent in terms of success rate in years past, the Grizz also have a roster that is full of holes.

Give me Minny's trio of KAT, Butler and Wiggins over OKCs any day of the week. I just don't see the OKC experiment working, especially in tight games.

Denver will be a fun team to watch. Excellent passing team.

Milwaukee strikes me as a team that can finish as high as 3 in the east after CLE and BOS.

If Gallinari can stay healthy (always a big if), LAC should be able to come close to maintaining their 4-5 seed in the west.

Baldwin  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 10:19 am : link
and Oliver are 100% worth looks. Baldwin was awful as a rookie but again, the Knicks should be cycling these types in and out. Oliver not making the Rockets (with a broken hand) isn't exactly a condemnation of his talent.
Looking forward to Boston-Cleveland  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2017 10:35 am : link
tonight. That should be a fun one. I'm curious to see how the Cavs fans greet Kyrie.
Spoiler alert,  
Keith : 10/17/2017 10:36 am : link
he's going to get boo'd mercifully. As he should.
Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford lineup  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 10:43 am : link
is crazy, but it's probably too early to put them in the Finals.

What's the over/under for games played by Embiid this season... 40? 50?

Considering the numbers Chris Duhon and Jeremy Lin put up in a MDA offense, Chris Paul might be the first guy since Stockton to average 12-14 assists per game.
RE: Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford lineup  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13653223 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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is crazy, but it's probably too early to put them in the Finals.

What's the over/under for games played by Embiid this season... 40? 50?

Considering the numbers Chris Duhon and Jeremy Lin put up in a MDA offense, Chris Paul might be the first guy since Stockton to average 12-14 assists per game.


I doubt it. Harden likely handles the ball enough to hold Paul's numbers down and if MDA is smart he will try and keep Paul fresh for the post-season.
Kyrie  
jestersdead : 10/17/2017 10:46 am : link
will turn it into a one man show and the Celts will lose because of it. Cleveland will play a more team oriented game and walk away with a 10+ point win.

Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 10:50 am : link
defense potentially the worst of all time?
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RE: Baldwin  
Enzo : 10/17/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13653154 DanMetroMan said:
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and Oliver are 100% worth looks. Baldwin was awful as a rookie but again, the Knicks should be cycling these types in and out. Oliver not making the Rockets (with a broken hand) isn't exactly a condemnation of his talent.

I'd rather take shots on guys like this instead of keeping Beasley around.
Not sold at all on  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2017 10:56 am : link
J. Brown.
Also  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2017 10:57 am : link
A poor rebounding team.
RE: RE: Baldwin  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 10:58 am : link
In comment 13653247 Enzo said:
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and Oliver are 100% worth looks. Baldwin was awful as a rookie but again, the Knicks should be cycling these types in and out. Oliver not making the Rockets (with a broken hand) isn't exactly a condemnation of his talent.


I'd rather take shots on guys like this instead of keeping Beasley around.


I admittedly don't know a ton about Baldwin other than him being a local kid who was picked 16th overall but he wasn't viewed as a reach at the time. He shot a truly HORRENDOUS 14% from 3 this year but was a career 42% 3 point shooter at Vandy so unless there is some strange injury I don't know about the guy has shown he can shoot. He has a good defensive rep (per his pre draft reports) but isn't considered a great athlete. I think he's worth bringing in. Keep in mind he's only 21.

Oliver is a guy I liked pre-draft he's a bit of a tweener but is athletic and can fill multiple roles. I believe both would be worth looks.
do we need 2 vet journeymen to tutor the French Prince  
Pep22 : 10/17/2017 10:58 am : link
why not sub substitute Baldwin in for Jack?

rotation could be Sessions/Baker at lead guard until Frank earns minutes; when he does, Baker can slide to be Hardaway's back-up

that's if they thing Baldwin has talent to develop
Baldwin  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 11:01 am : link
Soph year at Vandy 14.1, 4.0 boards, 5.2 assists 43% from the field, 41% from 3 and he's 6'4
RE: do we need 2 vet journeymen to tutor the French Prince  
nygiants16 : 10/17/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13653258 Pep22 said:
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why not sub substitute Baldwin in for Jack?

rotation could be Sessions/Baker at lead guard until Frank earns minutes; when he does, Baker can slide to be Hardaway's back-up

that's if they thing Baldwin has talent to develop


jack is most likely gone once noah's suspension is over..
RE: Baldwin  
Pep22 : 10/17/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13653264 DanMetroMan said:
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Soph year at Vandy 14.1, 4.0 boards, 5.2 assists 43% from the field, 41% from 3 and he's 6'4


PLus a 7' wingspan.
RE: Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford lineup  
nygiants16 : 10/17/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13653223 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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is crazy, but it's probably too early to put them in the Finals.

What's the over/under for games played by Embiid this season... 40? 50?

Considering the numbers Chris Duhon and Jeremy Lin put up in a MDA offense, Chris Paul might be the first guy since Stockton to average 12-14 assists per game.


jaylen brown and tatum both have to prove it and for this celtics team to be better they have to defend like bradley and crowder...

bradley allowed thomas to concentrate solely on offense..

bradley is going to be severely missed in boston
I'm not a 76ers fan  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2017 11:17 am : link
But I'm looking forward to seeing them this year. I believe they're on ESPN tomorrow night.
RE: I'm not a 76ers fan  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13653289 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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But I'm looking forward to seeing them this year. I believe they're on ESPN tomorrow night.


Simmons is a beast. Fultz concerns me a bit (health) and Embiid's health is a concern but they are going to be a fun team.
Dan,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2017 11:30 am : link
I think Simmons wins ROY.

I love Embiid. I love the dude. The elephant in the room is health. He's apparently pissed they're putting him on a minutes restriction.

What is this talk of Fultz altering his shot this summer?
RE: Dan,  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13653308 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think Simmons wins ROY.

I love Embiid. I love the dude. The elephant in the room is health. He's apparently pissed they're putting him on a minutes restriction.

What is this talk of Fultz altering his shot this summer?


He hurt his shoulder and altered his shot and it's currently very, very ugly. I said last year I'd have Simmons the clear #1 overall pick in the 2017 draft if he were in it and I was surprised by the pushback. Kid is a monster in the making.
Thanks for info Dan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2017 11:40 am : link
I thought Lonzo would have been a better fit in Philly regardless.
Quote from Charles Barkley...  
bceagle05 : 10/17/2017 11:44 am : link
“The toughest thing for me is I have to get on TV and fake it for seven months that it’s not going to be the Warriors and Cavs in the finals again. Yes it is."

Sums up my feelings on the league, though I am interested in some of the young players and teams. Once again the tank race will be the most intriguing regular season storyline.
RE: RE: Kyrie, Jaylen Brown, Hayward, Tatum, and Horford lineup  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 11:48 am : link
In comment 13653279 nygiants16 said:
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jaylen brown and tatum both have to prove it and for this celtics team to be better they have to defend like bradley and crowder...

bradley allowed thomas to concentrate solely on offense..

bradley is going to be severely missed in boston


Brown's defense is really the least of my concerns with him. He has to elevate the rest of his game and his body needs to continue to mature. Tatum isn't even going to scratch the surface this season, so it's too soon to put major expectations on him as a rookie. I just think he's going to be a wonderful player. Kyrie is no defensive wizard, but he also won't carry the same offensive burden IT did with Hayward in BOS now. I love that group, but concede that they're probably won't be mature/experienced enough to beat the Cavs in a series this year.

I don't like the fit of IT with that Cleveland team nor do I like the idea of Kevin Love playing center even if it's for a few minutes every 1st and 3rd quarter.
Am ready for the light skinned brothers connection to take over.  
GiantFilthy : 10/17/2017 12:14 pm : link
.  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 12:27 pm : link
Yahoo predicts @nyknicks win a whopping 21 games #Knicks
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IF Kyrie  
MotownGIANTS : 10/17/2017 12:29 pm : link
plays D consistently ... that mitigates losing AB ... Kyrie can score just as well as IT.

The question is is Brown ready to be a full time starter? He need to produce on both ends consistently ... he is being thrown into the fire Tatum is only starting now due to injury.

A true rotation big still needs to be picked up.

The gel process of course is in the forefront....revisited at the All-Star break
RE: IF Kyrie  
nygiants16 : 10/17/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13653390 MotownGIANTS said:
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plays D consistently ... that mitigates losing AB ... Kyrie can score just as well as IT.

The question is is Brown ready to be a full time starter? He need to produce on both ends consistently ... he is being thrown into the fire Tatum is only starting now due to injury.

A true rotation big still needs to be picked up.

The gel process of course is in the forefront....revisited at the All-Star break


if you expect kyrie to be anywhere close to what bradley was defensively you are in for a very rude awakening
RE: .  
Heisenberg : 10/17/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13653386 DanMetroMan said:
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Yahoo predicts @nyknicks win a whopping 21 games #Knicks Link - ( New Window )


That's too many. #loseforluca
I'll  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 12:40 pm : link
predict 28 wins and the 6th pick in the draft.
RE: I'll  
Heisenberg : 10/17/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13653407 DanMetroMan said:
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predict 28 wins and the 6th pick in the draft.


NOOOO!!! #playbadlyforbagley
I don't see how the Knicks aren't one of the four worst teams  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/17/2017 12:56 pm : link
in the NBA. I think the Knicks, Orlando, Bulls, and Suns will bring up the rear. I think the Kings and Nets will also be bad.
RE: I don't see how the Knicks aren't one of the four worst teams  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13653428 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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in the NBA. I think the Knicks, Orlando, Bulls, and Suns will bring up the rear. I think the Kings and Nets will also be bad.


Hawks should be bad (though Coach Bud is excellent), Pacers don't figure to be very good.
Kyrie is no Avery Bradley  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2017 12:59 pm : link
On D. Bradley might be too 5 in the league.
RE: I don't see how the Knicks aren't one of the four worst teams  
giants#1 : 10/17/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13653428 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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in the NBA. I think the Knicks, Orlando, Bulls, and Suns will bring up the rear. I think the Kings and Nets will also be bad.


KP takes a big step forward in his development.

Lakers/Kings also play a much more challenging schedule in the West which could lead to the Knicks picking up a few extra wins against the bottom East teams.
I think the Knicks are bottom 4.  
Heisenberg : 10/17/2017 1:07 pm : link
And I'm ok with it.
I'm good with it also  
Carl in CT : 10/17/2017 1:19 pm : link
As long as some of their "young player" decisions pan out. If they bust then it's sets us back even further
RE: .  
Enzo : 10/17/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13653386 DanMetroMan said:
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Yahoo predicts @nyknicks win a whopping 21 games #Knicks Link - ( New Window )

nice! But I think we can go lower. Gotta sell off anything that isn't nailed down...
KP  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 1:21 pm : link
will be guarding Melo. Lee on PG13? Sessions on Westbrook? Godspeed Knickberbockers lol
RE: RE: IF Kyrie  
MotownGIANTS : 10/17/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13653393 nygiants16 said:
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plays D consistently ... that mitigates losing AB ... Kyrie can score just as well as IT.

The question is is Brown ready to be a full time starter? He need to produce on both ends consistently ... he is being thrown into the fire Tatum is only starting now due to injury.

A true rotation big still needs to be picked up.

The gel process of course is in the forefront....revisited at the All-Star break



if you expect kyrie to be anywhere close to what bradley was defensively you are in for a very rude awakening


Kyrie is replacing IT I expect him to be better and more consistent than him ... Jaylen, Morris, Tatum and Bynes collectively need to offset Crowder and AB
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2017 2:22 pm : link
For an overall assessment of Noah’s worth on this end of the floor, he posted a defensive real plus-minus was 1.17, or 31st among all centers; by this metric, 20 teams had at least one better defensive center than the Knicks best center, and several had two. Right below Noah on that list is fellow Knick Kyle O’Quinn, 32nd among centers with a 1.16 DRPM. He’s an interesting case. He let up just 44.2 percent of shots taken within six feet of the rim, which is good for sixth in the league. I fondly remember the the Kyle O’Quinn Game. I am not at all convinced yet that Kyle O’Quinn is bad. Perhaps he will answer this definitively this season. More likely this is a mystery best answered when he no longer is employed by the New York Knicks.

It’s not as though he’ll be facing stiff competition while he’s here. Scanning the depth chart, there’s offensively slick Willy Hernangomez, who posted a DRPM of 0.40, good for 50th among all 61 centers listed. Shiny new addition Enes Kanter posted a DRPM of -1..24, placing him 59th among the 61 centers listed. One of the critiques made of Kanter is that he’s a Willy who costs 12 times as much only to be even worse at defense. Kanter, for all his canny intuition and footwork when rebounding and scoring on one side of the floor, might be the most defensively demented center in the NBA. So severe is the liability, Kanter saw his minutes halved once the Thunder hit the postseason last year, dropping from 21.3 minutes a game to 9.0 minutes a game. In fairness, “This guy’s unplayable in the playoffs” isn’t much of problem on this Knicks squad, but still.
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God...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2017 7:30 pm : link
Fultz's FT shot is ugly.
Awkward landing for Jeremy Lin  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2017 9:19 pm : link
He limped back to the locker room.
Sixers  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 9:42 pm : link
are SO talented it's nuts. Embiid has top 3 player in the league talent, Simmons already looks like a potential all-star, underrated Covington 29 and 7
RE: Awkward landing for Jeremy Lin  
Canton : 10/18/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13655806 bceagle05 said:
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He limped back to the locker room.


He was in tears yelling " I'm done, I'm done, I'm done "

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