Was it the desperation factor?
Knowing that the Giants had no chance if getting the ball downfield, so to not get embarrassed the players knew they would have to "do their job"?
Where did that come from? I refuse to believe that Sullivan calling the plays had any effect at all.
It was all about execution.
What say you BBI?
So if the Giants stay committed to the run, then sure, they win with obj, Shepherd, and Marshall.
3 sacks, 2 turnovers, including a pick 6 was the key.
Remember that g-men had the lead very deep into 4th quarter of the preceeding 3 games qne weak defense allowed opposing team to score. 2 x on FG as time expired.
He needs more seasoning. Maybe he can work out the kinks coaching a local youth league team.
At least Sullivan out of necessity used double TE formations and other different which gave the running game life since the opposing D had to guess more and we could use Engram in a less predictable fashion.
3 sacks, 2 turnovers, including a pick 6 was the key.
Remember that g-men had the lead very deep into 4th quarter of the preceeding 3 games qne weak defense allowed opposing team to score. 2 x on FG as time expired.
actually it was three turnovers...hopefully we start that trend on defense. Turnovers can help us immensely.
LC INT, JJ INT, JJ forced fumble and Apple recovery.
3 sacks.
3 points allowed thru 3.5 quarters.
Anyone who thinks different is crazy.
Eli played well, and managed the game nicely with Sully at the play calling, but defense stepped up this game.
2011 says differently, but then to be fair, this is 2017.
Pressure
and turnovers....
His defenses have always given up a lot of yardage, but turnovers have negated most of that yardage....
When his defense does not create turnovers, well, you saw what happened in the first 5 games...
BALL CONTROL matters far more than flashy Beckham catches.
For the first time this season, we saw offensive competence, even if it only resulted in 16 points. Defense was kept off the field, and when they were on it, they played fresh. Denver offense was in desperation mode for most of the game as a result.
If they can build on that effort, if they can string together rushing efforts like that, there's no reason they can't win most of their games.
No, they aren't dead yet.
BALL CONTROL matters far more than flashy Beckham catches.
That's the point I am trying to make
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BALL CONTROL matters far more than flashy Beckham catches.
That's the point I am trying to make
Yes, ball control does matter more than flashy catches, from anyone. The point you and others are trying to make is a valid one, but it's not an indictment of OBJ. It is an indictment of the offensive philosophy. McAdoo can say all he wants that he wants a "heavy handed" football team. But when you run from the shotgun and play 3 WR sets 90% of the time, then your actions do not match your rhetoric.
Fans need to put the blame on the proper party. Sunday night did not prove that OBJ is not important to the team, or that WRs are not important in today's NFL. It just proves that relying on a WR, no matter how good he is, to make highlight reel plays is a poor offensive philosophy when compared to the fundamentals of football, which remain win the battle at the line of scrimmage, maintain an ability to run/credible run threat, and deny the opposing team the ability to do the same.
As many have said, this team's problems are not personnel problems. It's a scheme and overall philosophy problem. OBJ might be a tool of that philosophy, but he is not responsible for it.
highly doubtful. some of you guys are seeing a lot of offensive prowess in a game where the defense provided 7 points directly, forced three turnovers, and the offense managed 266 total yards.
Something we should have been doing from the very beginning.
Run blocking was super. I don't believe the Giants would have run the ball if they had all the WR weapons.
Even accounting for Denver's defense and the injuries, people are going way overboard praising the offense (in totality) and anointing Sullivan off this game all because the defense didn't break and only bent unlike the previous three games. They aren't winning many, if any, games with this formula.
Something we should have been doing from the very beginning.
Exactly right!
Run blocking was super. I don't believe the Giants would have run the ball if they had all the WR weapons.
Well, I'd like to think Sullivan would have committed to the run, which is consistent with his roots. But my point would be, if the Giants had WR weapons, and still managed an effective running game, they could have put 30 on Denver on Sunday night, and Denver's defense (especially at home) is exceptionally good.
Remember who caught the game winning TD pass in the Super Bowl or abused Al Harris in the NFCC game @ Lambeau?
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Remember who caught the game winning TD pass in the Super Bowl or abused Al Harris in the NFCC game @ Lambeau?
Yes, but Shockey was the bigger personality, and used to demonstratively yell at Eli for not throwing the ball to him. Shockey was a distraction, and proved that beyond a doubt the following season. These guys are not bigger than the game. The "boat trip" started all of this.
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to the Giants after Shockey got hurt in the 2007 season?
Remember who caught the game winning TD pass in the Super Bowl or abused Al Harris in the NFCC game @ Lambeau?
Yes, but Shockey was the bigger personality, and used to demonstratively yell at Eli for not throwing the ball to him. Shockey was a distraction, and proved that beyond a doubt the following season. These guys are not bigger than the game. The "boat trip" started all of this.
It was 10 years ago now, there are no Shockeys on this team. No one is yelling at Eli, no one is free lancing routes. Sure, players may have celebrated inappropriately or punched a wall last year, but Shockey was more disruptive to the team than helpful. Name me the player who fits that bill now. I think you are making an apples to oranges comparrison.
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to the Giants after Shockey got hurt in the 2007 season?
Remember who caught the game winning TD pass in the Super Bowl or abused Al Harris in the NFCC game @ Lambeau?
Yes, but Shockey was the bigger personality, and used to demonstratively yell at Eli for not throwing the ball to him. Shockey was a distraction, and proved that beyond a doubt the following season. These guys are not bigger than the game. The "boat trip" started all of this.
It was 10 years ago now, there are no Shockeys on this team. No one is yelling at Eli, no one is free lancing routes. Sure, players may have celebrated inappropriately or punched a wall last year, but Shockey was more disruptive to the team than helpful. Name me the player who fits that bill now. I think you are making an apples to oranges comparrison.
A distraction is a distraction is my point. I know nothing, I just know the way this game felt.
I'd hate to think that ODB Jr is a distraction, but this game made me wonder. When you watch the Giants, tell me that somewhere in the back of your mind that you're not anticipating the next Beckham catch? I believe the players are of the same ilk. I get it, they're professionals, blah blah, but they are also human. It was just such a huge change, and I, personally refuse to believe that Sullivan calling the plays made such a difference, but perhaps there's something in the psychology of the Sully factor as well.
DRC wasn't there, Beckham wasn't there, it was the Giants against the world, and a Giants win. Retrospectively, a Giants win was never in doubt.
I would just love to see if Beckham could re-establish himself as a no-nonsense, professional, respected player like Megatron or Fitz.
While Sullivan utilized the offense personnel much better than in the previous 5 games, the difference was the D finally made some plays. The question will be if the D can sustain that when they play a better offense. Denver's offense has not been good this year.