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Flowers First Half

Now Mike in MD : 10/17/2017 9:05 am
I'm curious to see what Sy has to say but I rewatched the first half focusing on Flowers and this may have been his best game as a pro. No real pressure. His guy did get one sack but it wasn't his fault. He had his guy blocked and Eli stepped up into the pocket basically right into Flowers guy He looked so much quicker out of his stance and his kick step. Stonewalled his guy almost every time. He had 2 absolute pancake blocks on runs and looked very agile on his pulls. Did basically fall down once on an inside pull. But that was about the only negative
Obviously Von Miller is their best pass rusher  
Capt. Don : 10/17/2017 9:09 am : link
and he lined up across Pugh but Shaquil Barrett is a decent pass rusher in his own right.
He's been coming on recently, but I really think that running the  
Victor in CT : 10/17/2017 9:15 am : link
ball and committing to it charegs up an offensive line. McAdoo was too pass happy and wedded to that fucking 11 formation. Lineman like to beat people up and impose there will. Flowers looked like the monster we've been hoping for on Sunday.
He's  
AcidTest : 10/17/2017 9:53 am : link
playing a lot better lately.
Let's face it,  
Doomster : 10/17/2017 10:07 am : link
when you get rid of the ball in 2 seconds, it helps any OLman....

Flowers has played better.....success running the ball has given the opposition something else to think about.....would love to see more play action from Eli under center....and for that he will need more than 2 seconds....

If this OL is successful for a second week, it does make the coaching staff look stupid for putting the same combo out there week after week....it took injuries, not smarts, to do it...
I didn't get the feeling the Giants were doing their 2 second thing  
PatersonPlank : 10/17/2017 10:10 am : link
Sunday. It felt like Eli was holding it longer, looking for the longer routes. A few times he even held it too long. I thought the OL held up well, plus the running game finally worked.
My guess is that having  
Ira : 10/17/2017 10:13 am : link
Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Fluker and Pugh gives the Giants their best ol play.
At the very least  
ryanmkeane : 10/17/2017 10:16 am : link
he's been competent the past 3 games. Hopefully he continues to improve.
He is not playing "well"  
EricJ : 10/17/2017 10:20 am : link
and still may be ranked at the bottom of the league as fat as left tackles are concerned. The difference is that his play is not killing drives like it was earlier in the season.... Big difference...
As was already pointed out  
HoustonGiant : 10/17/2017 10:25 am : link
Flowers, while not great is not the biggest problem.

Just look at the sacks with and without Hart playing.

Also, I think Jones is playing better than Richburg was. It's almost like Richburg got worse after the dedicated OL camp he went to 2 years ago. Too much concern for technique and not enough of his prior strengths???
I think the way this OL is currently configured  
gmen9892 : 10/17/2017 10:33 am : link
Has always been the optimal lineup. You have now given the C (be it Richburg or Jones) a road-grading RG to help them in the running game where they are weakest. You have Pugh at RT, which is a monster upgrade over Hart. You have moved Jerry to LG to help Flowers in pass-blocking, and Flowers helps cover Jerry in run-blocking, covering up deficiencies for both.
Did he get TE help?  
Chuckstar : 10/17/2017 11:06 am : link
If anyone's rewatching the game, I'm curious how often Ellison (I think LaCosse had a few snaps as well) was lined up on his side.
This line is not built for the 11 personnel package  
Rjanyg : 10/17/2017 11:06 am : link
The line as constructed with Pugh and Fluker on the right side and Jerry at LG is a better combination and works toward the players strengths and when we add the commitment to the run game with 2 TE sets and play action passing, it will be a more productive approach and not put our tackles in passing situations to many times.

I am very curious to see if when Richburg comes back if they keep Jones in there. He is making line calls and they seem to at the very least not confused. Whether they execute is an another story.

RE: Obviously Von Miller is their best pass rusher  
Canton : 10/17/2017 11:16 am : link
In comment 13653035 Capt. Don said:
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and he lined up across Pugh but Shaquil Barrett is a decent pass rusher in his own right.


He did go up against Von Miller. (More than once? Von Miller was switching sides) But Collinsworth pointed it out and discussed it during a replay of Flowers block against him.
OL  
Archer : 10/17/2017 11:18 am : link
Flowers played better.

His run blocking was better and his footwork was improved.

However, a portion of the improvement is related to Pugh's play. Pugh had a really good game and the Giants were able to help Flowers. Pugh was man on man and the running back and TE shaded towards Flowers.
One thing is obvious about Flowers  
Dave on the UWS : 10/17/2017 12:56 pm : link
He is mentally tough and keeps working to get better. He is going to end up being a good player “somewhere” on the line. I’ve been hoping for an Orlando Pace type player here (I’m sure the front office does too)
RE: My guess is that having  
Jay in Toronto : 10/17/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13653140 Ira said:
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Flowers, Jerry, Jones, Fluker and Pugh gives the Giants their best ol play.


Thank God for the comma between our LG and C!!!
scheme/quick counts  
sinister_bee98 : 10/17/2017 1:56 pm : link
The entire line functioned better, particularly in the run game.

I liked how Sullivan attacked all areas of the field with the run. What a site for sore eyes. We really hammered the off-tackle left behind Flowers and mixed inside runs behind Fluker. After 4 years of McAdoo's inside hand-offs they were not ready for the pitch or the outside zone.

Sullivan is raw but he came from the Coughlin tree - he knows what a full comprehensive run game looks like. He had a plan and then built in the short passing game to further keep the D off balance. He's taken sh#t for not getting anything from the WRs: it's a WCO - Andy Reid's made a career out of throwing to RBs and TEs.

The other thing the Giants are really doing to help the OTs - and I do credit McAdoo here - is the quick snap. Worked great @ the Eagles and again @DEN, good weapon on the road vs. a great edge rush in the noise. Vance and the boys must've missed that on film because it was a big reason for our success IMO.
Collinsworth said Flowers  
Rflairr : 10/17/2017 5:13 pm : link
hasn't been bad in several weeks.
RE: Did he get TE help?  
djm : 10/17/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13653274 Chuckstar said:
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If anyone's rewatching the game, I'm curious how often Ellison (I think LaCosse had a few snaps as well) was lined up on his side.


Giants went with more two and even three TE sets from my vantage point. Until we get snap counts it's not official but it looked like Ellison and Adams were out there more and I definitely saw either one helping the LT.
RE: RE: Did he get TE help?  
Now Mike in MD : 10/17/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13653828 djm said:
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In comment 13653274 Chuckstar said:


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If anyone's rewatching the game, I'm curious how often Ellison (I think LaCosse had a few snaps as well) was lined up on his side.

Flowers was definitely getting help, but I wouldn't say it wa constant. A lot of times he was on his own and did very well. Oddly my recollection is that a lot of the help was to the inside, which is odd because Flowers problem seems to be speed rushers to the outside.



Giants went with more two and even three TE sets from my vantage point. Until we get snap counts it's not official but it looked like Ellison and Adams were out there more and I definitely saw either one helping the LT.
RE: Obviously Von Miller is their best pass rusher  
Vanzetti : 10/17/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13653035 Capt. Don said:
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and he lined up across Pugh but Shaquil Barrett is a decent pass rusher in his own right.


Flowers was against Von Miller a couple of times
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