He has elite speed and quickness. His hands look massive. You can see that he runs quality routes and he's not afraid to mix it up inline. When he gets the ball in his hands, he's a major threat for YAC. I'm really excited to see him and OBJ together for a long time.
Looks like a great pick by the Giants.
Agreed. I thought half the purpose in drafting this kid was to have him run seam routes vs. the cover 2???
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more vertical and seam routes than these crossing patterns...and if he learns to block, the sky is the limit for this guy...
Agreed. I thought half the purpose in drafting this kid was to have him run seam routes vs. the cover 2???
get out the old Perkins/Earhardt playbook!
I dont mean to be confrontational but the assertion that he is not a competent blocker is lazy analysis. Analysts say that because they know he is a receiver first and so they assume he cant block. If you watch the film he is a good blocker. I dont think he will ever be a pancake guy but he is beating guys with footwork, quickness and effort. Watch the film - he is pretty good.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
WTF. I'd love a link for that analysis you're trying to state as fact please?
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He can't run block whatsoever so let's just call it how it is and say hes a solid big bodied WR with a lot of promise. Drops too many easy balls, but has the ability to make spectacular catches. Runs well after the catch.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
WTF. I'd love a link for that analysis you're trying to state as fact please?
Create a false hypothesis and reach a false conclusion.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
Can you actually back up the statement that his blocking is "the worst of any TE in the league" or are you just pulling bullshit out of thin air?
I'm going to assume the latter.
Cboss07 roommate?
regarding his blocking -- it's been a mixed bag -- he's whiffed some and he's made some pretty good ones -- and he also seems to continually improve in that area
You could say the same about his catches by the way
I think he has the ability and willingness to become a really good blocker - he has the raw speed, height and hands to be a major mismatch when covered by linebackers - and he will test even polished DBs
I'm not sure what the blocking critics are seeing out there -- but that's what I see
When we had Tye and Donell I regularly recall running plays getting blown up b/c of they missed their blocks. I don't recall any such plays with Engram thus far - not saying there haven't been any thus far but not many or any that stand out to me.
Well I disagree, but Sy'56 is someone who knows far more about football than I and he also disagrees with you.
That isnt to say that this proves me right and you wrong but it is far from settled that he is "getting his ass beat" and some pretty football intelligent people are giving his blocking positive grades on a consistent basis.
I put almost no stock into PFF Grades but his for the season is a 45.5. Good for the 51st overall tight end in the NFL. You want to eliminate his blocking from that grade, I'd guess it would rise significantly.
regarding his blocking -- it's been a mixed bag -- he's whiffed some and he's made some pretty good ones -- and he also seems to continually improve in that area
You could say the same about his catches by the way
I think he has the ability and willingness to become a really good blocker - he has the raw speed, height and hands to be a major mismatch when covered by linebackers - and he will test even polished DBs
I'm not sure what the blocking critics are seeing out there -- but that's what I see
So we agree. He's pretty good now, but he's going to be really good later.
If he turns out to be a star, one thing we know is this coach has no problem feeding the ball to receiving targets.
Eli only had 7 attempts in the 2nd half and 3 were to Engram. Late in the game, they just stopped throwing the ball with the big lead.
see above. not one of these people. just my opinion.
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He can't run block whatsoever so let's just call it how it is and say hes a solid big bodied WR with a lot of promise. Drops too many easy balls, but has the ability to make spectacular catches. Runs well after the catch.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
Can you actually back up the statement that his blocking is "the worst of any TE in the league" or are you just pulling bullshit out of thin air?
I'm going to assume the latter.
respect your opinion so i'll reply that its based on what i've seen. The giant run game has been awful up until this week. Partially because of a misuse of Engram IMO. Been used to much as a focal point in the run game. Oline has been bad sure, but tight ends sealing at the point of attack is vital to any run game that involves them.
So, if you want to designate him as a tight end, you have to take into account his blocking thus far, which is the worst of any tight end in the league. You want to consider him a Wide Receiver? Then sure I like his promise.
This is horse crap. But thanks for chiming in with good thoughts!
I love the thought of splitting him out wide and then running to that side and having him dominate the WR/S covering him, hope they can exploit that mismatch.
I think he's been open down the seam, but Eli has not had time to look at him. OBJ and Marshall going down are going to accelerate his progress as he will see many more looks now.