With the Changes McAdoo made and the Giants win this weekend

and doesn't know how to HC.

don't we wait and see where the year finishes up. He obviously hasn't lost the locker room. Yet, anyway.

Good on him giving up play calling. I'm actually looking forward to watching a team not reliant on a self-absorved WR. Run the ball, play good defense, and let's see where we end up.

so you are saying that the coach, who is supposed to adjust, adjusted and we won, and yet this is actually a negative?

if you can run the ball, stop the run and play good D, have good special teams and don't turn the ball over, you can win in the NFL...you do not need spectacular but diva WRs. We certainly didn't have them when we were a dominant team in the late 80's...Lionel Manuel, Mark Ingram, Stephen Baker...no one's idea of HOFers.

But we could run the ball, obviously played great D, had solid special teams and did not turn the ball over.

I remain unconvinced about our OL and ability to consistently run the ball. Still too many negative runs. But, that is the formula for us going forward. We get DRC back and OV on D, Shepard on O, we could certainly go on a run provided the other things happen. Very winnable games coming up...

we have Eli...

the OL configuration should have been different since the spring.

Pugh is the best tackle on this roster. While Pugh is good, that's more an indictment of the roster than it is anything else.

stopping the run, winning the TO battle has always won NFL games, and always will.

If we can continue Sunday's formula, while sprinkling in Shep, and some of the young WRs, I think this season is salvagable. By that, I mean 8-8 -9-7. May be good enough to sneak into the playoffs in a wide open NFC.

let's see how things shake out from here.

It is very possible Denver expected a walkover (I sure did) and didn't come out to play, and the Giants were pissed.

Let's see where we go from here. Did this right the ship, or was this just an air pocket that slowed its sinking. We need to see. We win 8 more games for 9-7, that's impressive. We lose 5 more in a row, not so good.

I agree with your comment 100%.

He was 11-5 last year and appeared to have the answers, except on offense, of course. The Giants aren't the type of organization to rush to judgement and don't make knee-jerk decisions. He'll be given the opportunity to grow as a coach. Keep in mind that he's never coached at any level of competition HS, College or Pros and so he's also learning on the fly. Turning over the play-calling is the first step. I still think he could be a decent coach. Personally, if the Giants win at least 6 games, I think he'll be brought back for a final year to see if he can turn things around. I also think that Eli, Reese and him are all tied at the hip and if McAdoo is let go, I think they'd have to consider letting the GM and QB go, as well. Eli is not going to start learning a new offense at his age.

is around for many years to come. I think a major contributing factor to the lousy start was he didn't have the Giants ready for game -speed contact to start the season . McAdoo had as his overriding goal to start the season as healthy as possible. This is laudable. However , it's a balancing act in the sense that your overriding goal as an NFL coach should be to have the team ready dir that physical nature of the game on opening night.

The Cowboys, Lions and Eagles slapped them around in the battle of the fronts . I think this was particularly evident with the play of the offensive line. These guys were simply getting their two balls handed to them on an ongoing basis. You saw a more physical Gisnt team playing in Denver.

One of the mods on this board made it a point to credit McAdoo with a huge victory because they emerged from pre-season relatively healthy . But they weren't, in my opinion , ready for the arduous toil that represents full contact. In this sense, he failed his team. The victory was pyrrhic. He must not allow that to happen again.

Every argument and riposte turns to Belichick. As far as I know, they remain the only team that tackles down during practice (from time to time ), once the season is underway.

The NFL has changed mostly in the sense that safeties can no longer kill receivers. It's not exactly Crunch Course anymore , but it remains a physical game of strength, leverage, stamina and will.

In my opinion , Ben McAdoo did not have his team ready to start the season . They are now up to snuff . But the season is over as far as making the playoffs . He's a bright guy. Learn from it.

turned back the clock and destroyed the Bucs defense. Maybe if Mac lost Odell before that game that TB game was very winnable

the offense only scored 16 points. Against a very good defense. They've been scoring in the 20's the last few weeks. I think the bigger take away is what got the defense so riled up. No Olivier, no DRC and some rookie DB's. Now granted the Broncos offense is no juggernaut and then Osweiler comes in and takes them down a notch, but is it time to limit snaps for JPP?

Some good signs, but a few questions raised. So you have to wait and see, especially with the Giants. If the season ended today no way would the Maras fire him.

lets say we win out the rest of the games... go on a fucking run of the ages, why did it take week 6 to realize this shit had to be changed?

if that were to happen, i would be pissed.

In comment 13653402 RetroJint said:

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Every argument and riposte turns to Belichick. As far as I know, they remain the only team that tackles down during practice (from time to time ), once the season is underway.

Seattle absolutely tackles in practice during the season. I would wager they do in Atlanta as well given the tree.

and some of the posts defending it is as well timed as a loud stinky fart in church.

Great timing guys! Let's shit all over any good feelings the fans might have and let's just switch the season off now. Winning streak possible? Doesn't matter....fire everyone.

I have obliterated McAdoo all season long. Now isn't the time to kill the guy. Fuck man...can we enjoy one fucking win and maybe hold out a little hope? Or is that asking too much...

so you are saying that if we go on a run for the ages (sweep the rest of the games including superbowl) you'd be pissed?

I'm not sure I would be pissed about that or if it would be reasonable to be pissed about that

How offense and offensive ideas are beyond simple and he’s either stubborn or stupid.

It’s been discussed over and over. Running game was bad. OL is a weak spot. They bring in Ellison. Keep Smith and he runs 3 WRs over and over. His biggest offensive concept. Throw it to OBJ. Make teams account for OBJ. Well without him now he fianlly decides to let Sullivan call the game?

He adjusted because he had no choice. Failure to be able to critically analyze oneself is a fault. His offense sucks. Andy Reid adjusted his offense. Belichick Adjusts his when needed. This guy didn’t nothing all last year and nothing this year until his top 3 WRs went down. Then the run game is important? Now it’s time to use Ellison?

He had a whole off season to adjust the offense. That shows something. One week and one win are hardly signs of some big change in him

too but maybe the rest of the season provides a better long-term picture. Many here have pointed out how Parcells was almost canned after his first season and once you get on a coaching carousel you can lose 10-15 years before you get off.

the offense scored 16 points with the passing game we had....why Denver did not take away our only weapon in Double E, is mind boggling.....

I suspect that if we have a great run and end the season with a winning record (hard to imagine, imo) I'm guessing that both McAdoo and Reese keep their jobs.

One thing that I've admired about McAdoo is his apparent desire to develop his young players, sticking with them despite some poor play. He got away with it last year, despite the terrible play of our young OTs. If those guys become competent players he should get some credit for doing that. But it sure has cost them this season.

In any case, if Reese is fired you'd likely want to have the new GM select his own coach.

no coaching decision should be made on a single game. This kind of reactionary approach is not really beneficial to building a long-term successful program.

Having said that, I tend to see this game as not so different from the previous three. Yes, we got the win. Yes, we had some improvements overall. But generally this win was similar in many ways to our previous 3 games, where we had leads in the fourth quarter.

If you look closely at what Denver is saying, they realize that although they lost by 13 they actually were much closer to winning this game than the score indicates. We finally got some very important big breaks this week.

You can pick five plays that were the difference between the win and a loss this week.

1. The pick-six by Jackrabbit. We've had a couple of opportunities for those this year that we just missed. Missing this one play would have made a big difference.

2. The fourth and goal on-field ruling of short. After the review the officials couldn't find enough evidence to confirm or overturn the call on the field. Had an official determined that the ball crossed the plane (and it may have) that's 7 points for DEN and changes again the momentum.

3. Either of the missed field goals by DEN. Easily he could have kicked not one, but two field goals this night.

4. 47-yard run. This was a great play by NYG, but if DEN maintains gap integrity this play doesn't happen and who knows if we are able to drive downfield for points.

5. Strip-fumble by Janoris Jenkins. This single play was game-altering.

Again, not trying to ruin the fun of the victory, but Philly needed more than a few breaks to beat us, as did LAC and TB. We were within a few plays of victory in those games, just like DEN was within a few plays of victory against us.

To conclude, don't just overreact to wins and losses. Try to see the games for what they are. We have been in four very close games and lost three of them. We could have lost the fourth very easily, just as we could have won any of the previous three. Evaluate the coach overall, not just on W/L record.