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NFT: Knicks Chat: Melo- Phil was willing to trade me for garbage

DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:01 am
“I think at that point it was too far gone,” Anthony said. “I already had in my mind that I wanted to win, that I wanted to move on. We didn’t think it would take as long as it did, but my mind was already made up.”

The delay to find a workable trade, in Anthony’s view, stemmed from the fact that Jackson was willing “to trade me for a bag of chips,” while Scott Perry, who became the Knicks’ new general manager after Jackson’s departure, took a harder line in trade talks with Houston and Cleveland that eventually fizzled.

“They went from asking for peanuts to asking for steak,” Anthony said with a laugh.
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giants#1 : 10/18/2017 10:06 am : link
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They went from asking for peanuts to asking for steak,” Anthony said with a laugh


And settled for a half eaten sausage.
So nice to finally be free of that guy.  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2017 10:08 am : link
Stay Me7o, kid.
hmmmm  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2017 10:10 am : link
Hey Melo, what do the weakass offers teams were making for you tell you about where you are in your career?
LOL....he makes no sense...  
Tesla : 10/18/2017 10:11 am : link
so it harder to trade him when they didn't care what they got back, and easier once they demanded more in return?

Don't think anyone's ever accused Melo of being a rocket scientist and don't think they ever will.

Good riddance.
Rockets  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 10:12 am : link
I think a better GM could have made a deal work with Houston. I know Andersen's contract is 1 year longer than Kanter's, but a more savvy GM could have possibly gotten some future picks back to take on Ryno. And Ryno is a better fit here and honestly a better player than Kanter. Also, no one in the league needs centers, especially ones who dont protect the rim. Everyone needs 3pt shooting. I think Andersen may have been easier to move down the line if needed.

I also think Melo would have fit perfect with the Rockets. I still think he'll do great with OKC, but I view Houston as a better fit.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:12 am : link
According to sources, Knicks president Steve Mills and new general manager Scott Perry attended Steelers training camp Aug. 5-6 to get a behind-the-scenes look at the squad with the most Super Bowl victories (six) in NFL history.

Perry has attended Steelers training camp for about five years to closely watch their operation, becoming friends with longtime head coach Mike Tomlin and GM Kevin Colbert.

“I’m so excited and happy for Scott and the New York Knicks,’’ Tomlin said in a statement to The Post. “Scott is a quality man and a quality professional.

“We spent a lot of time together over the years. It’s just been a great relationship being able to talk about leadership, leadership styles, and some of the different challenges that different sports present but also the parallels. I like his approach to business. He’s a detailed and thoughtful leader. I expect those guys to be extremely successful.”
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they still ended up with peanuts...  
Enzo : 10/18/2017 10:14 am : link
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That  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:15 am : link
Deadspin piece really made it sound like odds are the Knicks defense is going to be worse than bad. The #1 center on the roster (Noah) was 31st amongst centers... It's not as if the Knicks have great defenders to keep guys from getting to the rim at other spots either. Sessions is below average/averageish, THjr is below average and Lee at the 3 is going to have some issues. I predict we see a bunch of 110+ point games against the Knicks.
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TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 10:19 am : link
In comment 13654718 DanMetroMan said:
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Deadspin piece really made it sound like odds are the Knicks defense is going to be worse than bad. The #1 center on the roster (Noah) was 31st amongst centers... It's not as if the Knicks have great defenders to keep guys from getting to the rim at other spots either. Sessions is below average/averageish, THjr is below average and Lee at the 3 is going to have some issues. I predict we see a bunch of 110+ point games against the Knicks.


Just look at the matchup thursday night. I know OKC is going to be an elite team- but who's guarding their big 3? KP on Melo, Lee or THJ on George and Sessions/ Jack on Westbrook? Yikes.

Lee is the only guy who could be considered an above average defender and he's probably closer to average. Only rim protection will be from KP but he'll be chasing forwards around on the perimeter. This roster construction makes zero sense.
OKC  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:23 am : link
is an especially brutal matchup because even if you think Lee will be passable against "some" 3's, Paul George is 6'9. I suspect KP will be in foul trouble guarding Melo and Westbrook is unguardable even with a good defensive 1 or 2.
according to beat reporters  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2017 10:26 am : link
frank got reps in the scrimmage yesterday and looks good to go, also he got reps with the 1s..
Anonymous scout-  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:30 am : link
NEW YORK KNICKS: THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT FOR THEM

They definitely have the right leadership in place. They have veteran front office personnel, people who have experience winning and experience in their positions. So I would contend that the future is bright for them. . . . Frank Ntilikina is better than people think, and it’s too bad he’s getting put in this bucket of “Phil [Jackson] took him for the triangle, and now he’s gone.” That’s the most lazy, stupid comment of all time, because that kid is big [6' 5"], he’s skilled and he likes to play defense. He wasn’t playing at a superhigh level in the French league, but the team went to the finals and he contributed to that. It was the right pick, because it was a swing for the fences based on talent, and he’s got a lot of it. . . . Willy Hernangomez is another solid young piece. I don’t think people understand how good he can be either. He’s not playing just because he’s big. . . . Ron Baker is a nice, solid player, but if he was on a very good team he’d probably be the fifth guard. . . . Courtney Lee is still valuable but not on a team that’s building. He needs to go to a playoff team to be maximized, like he was in Charlotte. . . . I don’t know what the motivation was behind signing Michael Beasley. . . . Is Tim Hardaway Jr. really that bad? He’s gonna get smashed because he got signed to that contract this summer, but what is he supposed to say no? Wings are really, really valuable and there’s not a lot of them. The guy made 149 threes last year, he’s durable, he’s tough and he plays defense. It’s not an untradable contract.
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TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13654749 DanMetroMan said:
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NEW YORK KNICKS: THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT FOR THEM

They definitely have the right leadership in place. They have veteran front office personnel, people who have experience winning and experience in their positions. So I would contend that the future is bright for them. . . . Frank Ntilikina is better than people think, and it’s too bad he’s getting put in this bucket of “Phil [Jackson] took him for the triangle, and now he’s gone.” That’s the most lazy, stupid comment of all time, because that kid is big [6' 5"], he’s skilled and he likes to play defense. He wasn’t playing at a superhigh level in the French league, but the team went to the finals and he contributed to that. It was the right pick, because it was a swing for the fences based on talent, and he’s got a lot of it. . . . Willy Hernangomez is another solid young piece. I don’t think people understand how good he can be either. He’s not playing just because he’s big. . . . Ron Baker is a nice, solid player, but if he was on a very good team he’d probably be the fifth guard. . . . Courtney Lee is still valuable but not on a team that’s building. He needs to go to a playoff team to be maximized, like he was in Charlotte. . . . I don’t know what the motivation was behind signing Michael Beasley. . . . Is Tim Hardaway Jr. really that bad? He’s gonna get smashed because he got signed to that contract this summer, but what is he supposed to say no? Wings are really, really valuable and there’s not a lot of them. The guy made 149 threes last year, he’s durable, he’s tough and he plays defense. It’s not an untradable contract.


I was really happy to read that piece in SI. Hopefully they are right about the Frank pick. Perry seems to be very well regarded around the league.
I'm already depressed  
Enzo : 10/18/2017 10:33 am : link
about another lousy Knick season but on top of that now "celebrity" Knick fan Michael Rapaport and Bill Simmons are apparently feuding. Rapaport's visits to Simmons' podcasts were awesome.
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"They definitely have the right leadership in place."  
Enzo : 10/18/2017 10:34 am : link
they mean other than Mills...right?
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:37 am : link
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they mean other than Mills...right?


Not trying to be funny but because it mentions winning it obviously doesn't mean Mills. Perry has a ring, Madkins was with the Clippers aka a "good" franchise, Robinson comes from the Bucks
I know people do not want to hear this  
nygiants16 : 10/18/2017 10:41 am : link
but if hardaway contonues to play the way he did in the preseason at least offensively he is worth every penny of that contract...

if he jjst plays average defense it is a good contract..
I agree the Hardaway contract isn't so terrible  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2017 10:44 am : link
I just didn't like Mills operating without any checks and balances and making a commitment of that kind, especially after we drafted two guards just a couple of weeks prior and had Lee and Baker already in the fold. I would've just added a Sessions/Jack-type vet PG and gone forward with that group, sans THJr. But if we move Lee at some point it's not a huge problem.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13654772 nygiants16 said:
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but if hardaway contonues to play the way he did in the preseason at least offensively he is worth every penny of that contract...

if he jjst plays average defense it is a good contract..


Small sample size but the offense looked more diverse than when he was here the first time, defense still looked rough to me. I think slightly below average is the best we can realistically hope for defensively.
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nygiants16 : 10/18/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13654779 DanMetroMan said:
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but if hardaway contonues to play the way he did in the preseason at least offensively he is worth every penny of that contract...

if he jjst plays average defense it is a good contract..



Small sample size but the offense looked more diverse than when he was here the first time, defense still looked rough to me. I think slightly below average is the best we can realistically hope for defensively.


i am just hoping for passable...

and my worry offensively is he starts chucking when the offense gets bogged down...

i want to see 2 man game between him and kp, hardaway is probably the only guard right now he can consistently get to the hoop
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Enzo : 10/18/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13654761 DanMetroMan said:
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they mean other than Mills...right?



Not trying to be funny but because it mentions winning it obviously doesn't mean Mills. Perry has a ring, Madkins was with the Clippers aka a "good" franchise, Robinson comes from the Bucks

sorry but you can't just exclude the team president from "leadership". He's a buffoon and he proved it over the summer. Oddly, Madkins and Robinson don't appear anywhere on the front office listing on the web site. Warkentien and some of the other front office survivors are still lurking however.
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Peanuts sound pretty good  
ghost718 : 10/18/2017 10:53 am : link
Especially the honey roasted ones
Celtics  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 10:56 am : link
Due to the Hayward injury, maybe they have interest in Lee? Probably wishful thinking, but they need outside shooting bad. I hope they are looking to deal him ASAP. As stated in the SI piece, there is no need for him to be on this team.
Enzo  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:57 am : link
I'm just responding to the scouts comments. Pretty clearly Mills doesn't have any "have experience winning and experience in their positions" so I doubt that's who he was referring to. I wasn't defending the quote/
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 10:59 am : link
keeping an open mind in regard to most of the roster but I do think the THjr improved defense narrative (while possibly somewhat true) came mostly because of the team he was on and surrounding players. Not fair to judge him in pre-season with a new team but he just didn't look particularly good on that end of the court.
.ESPN  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 11:09 am : link
Expectations are low for New York entering its first season without Anthony. One Las Vegas sports book pegged the over-under for wins in New York at 29.5.

Is anyone going to the home opener?  
Reeses Pieces : 10/18/2017 11:35 am : link
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Draymond  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 12:38 pm : link
MRI on his knee. KOQ to GSW for Bell, do it!
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adamg : 10/18/2017 12:39 pm : link
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MRI on his knee. KOQ to GSW for Bell, do it!


That would be awesome
I don't see how they get to 30  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2017 12:39 pm : link
wins with this roster defensively.
the Celtics  
Enzo : 10/18/2017 12:45 pm : link
may end up with a disabled player exception fpr Hayward which means they can accept players in trades making up to MLE into the exception - but it can only be a one year deal. McDermott for one of the heavily protected first rounders they have coming in? Kuz for a second rounder?
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TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 12:45 pm : link
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wins with this roster defensively.


I agree and think its a lock. But they have enough good players that I think they could put together some meaningless wins towards the end of the year. If it results from KP/ Willy/ Frank playing well- I'm fine with that. If it's Kanter/ Lee and the vets puting together big games- that sucks.
Dan Devine  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 12:45 pm : link
5. KRISTAPS PORZINGIS
Age: 22
Role: Lone beacon of light in long-benighted Gotham

As crotchety as I can be about the nomenclature, there is something of a standard definition for “unicorn” in the NBA world — a center who has the potential to both reliably shoot a high volume of 3-pointers and protect the rim.

The modern NBA game is all about creating space on offense and taking it away on defense. Having a five who’s a legitimate threat to rain fire from 24 feet away, draws his man out of the paint and removes the last line of defense at the basket gives ball-handlers an easier path to scoring. Having one who can reject, alter or discourage shots in the lane emboldens your defenders to play tighter and more aggressively up top, and makes generating and converting high-percentage shots more difficult. Get you a man who can do both, and you’ve really got something.

In spite of their perpetual dysfunction, the New York Knicks have something in Porzingis, who was blessed with the folkloric handle early in his rookie season by no less an authority on cool NBA stuff than Durant. The four-time NBA scoring champ recognized the rare combination of shooting skill and shot-swatting prowess that would make Porzingis the first player in NBA history to drain more than 150 3-pointers and block more than 250 shots in his first two pro seasons. Now, when we talk about inside-out big men who seem too good to be true, we use the name KD gave KP — a mythological moniker to match the fantastic reality.

As you’d expect from a 7-foot-3 dude with the wingspan of an aircraft carrier, Porzingis can have trouble defending in space. He’s got strides to make as a facilitator; his rebounding rate dipped as he spent more time parked at the arc; and his foul rate last season ticked north of 5.5 whistles per 100 possessions of floor time (though some of that is due to facing drivers with a full head of steam after blowing past the Knicks’ eternally permissive guards). In each of his first two seasons, his shooting percentages and scoring efficiency have tailed off after the All-Star break, and he’s missed 26 games in two years. There are warts.

Those flaws, though, don’t come close to spoiling the big picture.

Porzingis’ handle is tighter and more functional, and his gait running the floor lighter and more natural, than any skyscraper should have the right to expect. The pull-up, turnaround and pick-and-pop jumpers are feathery, with a quick release. He’s nimble enough to punish overly aggressive closeouts off the bounce, and enormous enough to swallow up drivers just by lifting his arms; only four dudes who played big minutes allowed a lower field-goal percentage at the rim.

The next evolutionary step, it seems, is for head coach Jeff Hornacek to find more opportunities for Porzingis to play center, and for the front office of Steve Mills and Scott Perry to craft a roster that can more effectively facilitate that. (Not an easy task, given how much money their predecessor tied up in Joakim Noah for the next three seasons.) New York was outscored by 24 points in 450 Porzingis-at-the-five minutes last season, according to NBAwowy.com’s lineup data, but within that negative number lives a glimpse of a brighter future. The Knicks scored 111.9 points per 100 possessions in those minutes, a rate of offensive efficiency on par with Mike D’Antoni’s go-go Rockets. Find some wings who can shoot and credibly defend — hello, hoped-for-best-case-scenarios of Tim Hardaway Jr. and Frank Ntilikina — crank up the tempo and have some fun.

There are, as ever, reasons to be skeptical about where the Knicks are headed. They have Porzingis, though. As long as that’s true, they also have hope.
That's a nice read on Porzingis.  
bceagle05 : 10/18/2017 12:53 pm : link
Hope he makes the All-Star Game this season.
Really  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 12:56 pm : link
don't like the Melo/KP matchup but considering I want them to stink I won't lose sleep over it lol
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Enzo : 10/18/2017 1:02 pm : link
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don't like the Melo/KP matchup but considering I want them to stink I won't lose sleep over it lol

it won't be too embarrassing for KP simply because he's going to pick up 2-3 quick fouls and be on the bench most of the first half. And by the time the second half roles around OKC will be up 20 and Melo will be on the bench with a towel on his head.
This  
Jon in NYC : 10/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
is the key:

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The next evolutionary step, it seems, is for head coach Jeff Hornacek to find more opportunities for Porzingis to play center, and for the front office of Steve Mills and Scott Perry to craft a roster that can more effectively facilitate that. (Not an easy task, given how much money their predecessor tied up in Joakim Noah for the next three seasons.) New York was outscored by 24 points in 450 Porzingis-at-the-five minutes last season, according to NBAwowy.com’s lineup data, but within that negative number lives a glimpse of a brighter future. The Knicks scored 111.9 points per 100 possessions in those minutes, a rate of offensive efficiency on par with Mike D’Antoni’s go-go Rockets. Find some wings who can shoot and credibly defend — hello, hoped-for-best-case-scenarios of Tim Hardaway Jr. and Frank Ntilikina — crank up the tempo and have some fun.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 1:15 pm : link
other issue with KP at center beyond the depth at the 5 is he's on record as being iffy about playing the 5 to begin with. Maybe a better coach could sell him on it better but he sounds like he's not a huge fan of the 5.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 1:16 pm : link
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don't like the Melo/KP matchup but considering I want them to stink I won't lose sleep over it lol


it won't be too embarrassing for KP simply because he's going to pick up 2-3 quick fouls and be on the bench most of the first half. And by the time the second half roles around OKC will be up 20 and Melo will be on the bench with a towel on his head.


This 99% is going to be what happens.
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PhiPsi125 : 10/18/2017 1:21 pm : link
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don't like the Melo/KP matchup but considering I want them to stink I won't lose sleep over it lol


Hopefully KP puts a little stank on his game tonight and makes Melo his b*tch. If I get nothing more this season, i'd be fine with it.
However, not that Melo is on a different team  
PhiPsi125 : 10/18/2017 1:22 pm : link
he'll finally get foul calls and we won't be able to touch him.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 2:00 pm : link
Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 2:00 pm : link
about the pic size guys!
Not the answer I was looking for  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2017 2:23 pm : link
Jeff Hornacek was asked if it was a priority to play younger players over veterans given that the Knicks are in the early stages of a rebuild. "No," he said, "Again, we'd like to get them more experienced and grow. But we're not just going to throw them out there as a group and say, whatever happens, happens. We have some veteran guys on this team that are trying to lend their experience and we want those young guys to grow. And if they grow into those positions where they're getting big minutes, so be it."
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2017 4:06 pm : link
Clarence Gaines, who worked as Jackson's right-hand man the last three seasons, has been demoted from Vice President of Player Personnel to scout. Mark Warkentien, who was essentially brought from the Nuggets with Carmelo Anthony in 2011, is no longer the Director of Player Personnel. He is now listed as a consultant.

Despite very few people leaving the basketball operations staff, Perry and Mills made five new hires: Gerald Madkins (assistant GM), Craig Robinson (VP of player development), Harold Ellis (director of player personnel), Michael Arcieri (director of basketball strategy) and Fred Cofield (scout).

"We have some guys at the point guard spot so hopefully we can get him in there some minutes. We have a lot of guys that we have to make some decisions, that, hey, 'You might not get in,'" Hornacek said. "And they have to be ready in case something happens. But with Frank, we'll try to get some minutes for him."


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Canton : 10/18/2017 5:26 pm : link
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don't like the Melo/KP matchup but considering I want them to stink I won't lose sleep over it lol



Hopefully KP puts a little stank on his game tonight and makes Melo his b*tch. If I get nothing more this season, i'd be fine with it.


Did you mean tomorrow night?
They are going to be very poor defensively  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2017 7:45 pm : link
But it's not about this year. There's only so much you can do without quality defenders. Just having one or two guys isn't enough.
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