... what else does Eli need to accomplish to make an election to the HOF (not necessarily first ballot) a virtual lock?
1) Winning League MVP (Yes, but very unlikely)
2) Another Super Bowl appearance (playing well, but in a losing cause)
3) X more seasons making the playoffs (2?)
4) X more playoff wins (4?)
5) Longevity - playing at a high level X more years (4?)
I think longevity is Eli's best shot. Many of us take exception to Jerry Rice being voted the GOAT, but his longevity is one the arguments made in support of his vote as the GOAT.
If Eli is the Giant starting QB into his 40s, likely putting him in the top 5 in most regular season QB stats, is that enough?
--- they dont blame every INT on Manningham, Randle, or some other random global event
I think he'll get in for the reasons you mentioned, and I don't think any of the negatives are enough to keep him out so I don't dwell on them, INT's included.
Hell, we have one poster here who inexplicably craps on Eli's performances in the SB's as being just another guy on the field who actually defended some of Favre's killer INT's in playoff games as being a product of him trying to make plays.
He was talking more about an INT against New Orleans, but one of the worst postseason INT's I've ever seen ist he one he threw to Webster in OT.
Just a gunslinger....
The HOF really isn't that relevant anymore, so many guys I feel who are non-elite are in.
He beat the best QB and coach of his generation twice in the SB and was MVP both times. Both Superbowl runs he played on the road against HoF QBs and won. He played well against the best teams at the most important times. He will finish in the top in nearly every major passing category. THE STREAK.
If you are on this site most of all us are all are Giants fans. You think we would have won more Superbowls with another QB here? Favre and Rodgers were on better team playing at home and Eli outplayed them. If you are Giants fan and you think Eli is not that good or doesn’t deserve to be in the HoF go find the nearest mirror and take a good long look at a real asshole.
Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the other older QBs deserving the HOF membership.
Matt Ryan needs some rings to get in.
So, this has nothing to do with stats. There is a serious perception out there about Eli and it is negative. I seriously hope he adds at least one more incredible moment to his resume.
and that was how many long months ago? The man has waited long enough!
Either way, Eli has been so valuable to his team over the past few years. That offensive line since 2010 has been pitiful, and he still shows up for every game and plays. I think his ability to start all of these games in a row is what makes up for his errors for the summary of his career, especially when everyone is bitching about stats or whatever irrelevant garbage (such as passer rating, speaking of Romo, and Kirk Cousins is like 6th or 7th all-time isn’t he? Lol). Even though Eli is currently number 7 all time in touchdown throws and passing yards.
Everyone keeps saying these guys are going to pass Eli, but no one can play that long, stay healthy to reach this point of his career and he is 36. I can still remember even after winning the Super Bowl there were still lists that had Flacco, Ryan, and Josh Freeman (lol) as top QBs over Eli Manning.
If we’re talking about Ben Roethlisberger going into the HOF, I might have this silly idea Eli fucking Manning is getting in as well.
I think someone always mentions it (Britt in VA), the first thing you think of Eli Manning is that game winning drive vs the Patriots in Super Bowl 42. Then, he did it again in Super Bowl 46. Good night.
Ha, didn't even think of that.
Yeah, they've been holding him back!
Long overdue, indeed!
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First of all stating the case against him is not to believe he does not deserve it. I'm of opinion he should get in......but there are points against him, like efficiency numbers and perception.
And stating he's a unique case is not wrong. He was and is an inconsistent player whose great streaks were legendary and alone worth the hall. But still a cut below the multiple sb winners in the hall at qb.
Eli is still the most valuable player on Giants even if players like Collins or odb are on the team who are better.
When people bring up how bad perception/narrative is for him, remember comments like this from Giant fans, not even the media that's spent a lot of the last two days laughing at him and any of the few who'd dare defend him after that overrated poll.
I don't think most of the people in this thread who have been saying he's questionable or won't get in are saying it because they have some sort of agenda against him. It's because they (including myself) realize how badly he's viewed (media, fans, players) at this point, now and in total, outside of not exactly large pockets of fans. It doesn't matter if it's fair or accurate or how many counting stats you post over and over again.