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Giants co-owner John Mara can't hide his feelings about his team's dismal start to the season. "I'm very disappointed," Mara said at the NFL's fall owners meeting. "We're 1-5. How could I possibly feel good about that?" Mara has heard fans' unhappiness with coach Ben McAdoo and general manager Jerry Reese. But never one to make rash decisions, Mara said his support hasn't wavered. "I do hear what (fans) have to say, but at the end of the day, we're still in the middle of the season.We're trying to win games and do the best we can," Mara said. "I support both of them. You have to. It's hard enough to win in this league. But if the general manager and the head coach don't have the support of ownership, it makes it almost impossible." |
That is certainly not a ringing endorsement. Sounds like John is plenty pissed off but recognizes that even though it's a long shot, this team can hang around a playoff race if it gets its act together.
Am I reading too much into it or is this a pretty telling statement?
Am I reading too much into it or is this a pretty telling statement?
Right. And "I have to" implies that he doesn't necessarily WANT to support them but realizes that that's the position he has to take in order to try to make the most out of this season. Reese was on a short leash a couple of years ago, and I'd imagine that it's even shorter or almost nonexistent at this point.
Ha, I know it wasn't meant that way but the thread title definitely had be thinking that gidiefor is pissed that Mara still supports these guys.
I did not express myself above -- only reporting what was written -- but it's a fact that I am very disappointed at the way the first five games went -- I also thought Mara expressed it well -- especially his comments about the defense playing the Broncos the way we all thought they should have played this season.
I don't think his support is a ringing endorsement by the way.
There's nothing rash about cleaning house at this point. There's just looking for excuses to not do it.
Whenever people complain about the Giants' "class" getting in the way of championships, I have to wonder what sort of team they'd rather emulate.
Do you want to be more like the Cowboys, who don't worry about "class" and have a whole two playoff wins this century to show for it?
Sure, there's the Patriots, but they're not really the franchise you want to point to when you're saying the Giants should be more impulsive and can their coach/GM.
While the Giants have been bad for several seasons now, the fact is that from 2005 through 2011 they were one of the most successful franchises in the league. They achieved that by not panicking. If they had listened to fans, Coughlin would have been fired in 2006 and there would be two fewer Super Bowls.
Im not trying to defend McAdoo or Reese, but freaking out and firing them mid-season doesn't accomplish much of anything.
To be fair, Reese seemed to have vindicated himself last season when his acquisitions helped to completely turn the defense around.
Just a few months ago, it looked like the Giants had done the right thing by getting rid of Coughlin and bringing Reese in. And, honestly, a couple of better in-game coaching decisions could have completely changed the way this season feels right now.
THIS ^^^
If he felt strong enough to publicly state that he no longer supported them he would also be firing him at that point.
And player performance shouldn't be separated from this as well. When guys are not playing to the standard they have demonstrated they're capable of, how much of that falls on which guy? Somebody needs to write a book on this season and attempt to explain why this defense sleepwalked through 5 weeks.
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while patience is a good thing, how long of a rope does Reese get? He was told "it's on him" after 2015 and he somehow escaped when Coughlin got axed. 2 years later 1 and 5 and the team is in turmoil. And no, the record had ZERO to do with injuries.
To be fair, Reese seemed to have vindicated himself last season when his acquisitions helped to completely turn the defense around.
Just a few months ago, it looked like the Giants had done the right thing by getting rid of Coughlin and bringing Reese in. And, honestly, a couple of better in-game coaching decisions could have completely changed the way this season feels right now.
I had no problem with TC going, but I thought Reese deserved to go as much if not more. And let's nt forget, the 2016 FA signing binge was necessitated by Reese's shitty drafting.
If the Giants finish with 4 or fewer wins, you have to say the talent wasn't there and no one could have made this team look good. That would be Reese's fault.
Somewhere between 4 and 8 wins, the blame will have to land on both of them.
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In comment 13655245 Victor in CT said:
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while patience is a good thing, how long of a rope does Reese get? He was told "it's on him" after 2015 and he somehow escaped when Coughlin got axed. 2 years later 1 and 5 and the team is in turmoil. And no, the record had ZERO to do with injuries.
To be fair, Reese seemed to have vindicated himself last season when his acquisitions helped to completely turn the defense around.
Just a few months ago, it looked like the Giants had done the right thing by getting rid of Coughlin and bringing Reese in. And, honestly, a couple of better in-game coaching decisions could have completely changed the way this season feels right now.
I had no problem with TC going, but I thought Reese deserved to go as much if not more. And let's nt forget, the 2016 FA signing binge was necessitated by Reese's shitty drafting.
I agree that Reese should have been shown the door. However, I can see why ownership chose not to give him the axe.
2013 was a disaster, but it was Reese's first losing season as a GM.
2014 was arguably the time to clean house, but since they decided to keep Coughlin it didn't make sense to remove the GM.
2015 would have been a good time to give Reese the axe, but he also hadn't been given a chance to hire his own head coach, so there was some logic in keeping him.
In 2016, the team obviously had some success and it looked like things were changing for the better.
There were a couple of years where removing Reese would have made sense and would have been the best for the team in hindsight. However, it's not like the team didn't have decent reasons for keeping him.
If the Giants have a 1-15 or 2-14 type of season like many are expecting right now, it would be very hard for them to defend a decision to stand pat and not tear the whole thing down.
"mealymouthed" doesn't really work with "all talk"
That is very tepid support
you heard the vote of confidence then the guy gets shit canned .
Yeah, that's how they won 4 SB and went to the playoffs last year. Because "this is their product and they're happy with it.." BBI at it's finest.
Sometimes you hit it straight. Mike Tomlin was a great choice . He wasn't even a DC. He was a position coach from a crap team. But, for the most part, you get guys who bumped up from great units, who then sucked as HCs. Then there are the retreads. Don't go with pedigree. In other words - Belichick acolytes. Secretariat's offsprings were all flat tires on the racetrack .
Don't know if you've noticed but these are difficult times to coach, what with the social-Justice issues and other sundry distractions. The main guys in college want nothing to do with the NFL, especially since salaries are commensurate with the wage scale for most teams in the NFL. So that source of candidates has dried up.
Then there is the Cowher obsession that never goes away. Thr guy is never coaching again. He's great at what he does. They pay him well. People care about what he says. He stays relevant. He enjoys it.
Hope that McAdoo is the guy.
Silence is golden....til season end at least.Then if necessary we get the ANOTHER DIRECTION... and IN
THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE GIANTS.. speeches.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
2. The win vs Denver was nice but it is just one win.
3. He will evaluate the situation at the end of the season. No changes will be made mid-season.
Firing a general manager with one winning season in the last 6 and 4 first round disappointments in the last 6, and a floundering head coach, isn't a knee jerk reaction.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
You get a lot of benefit by firing Reese mid season. The new GM has time to put together a new scouting staff, evaluate players and coaches, and create a new team philosophy before the offseason.
I do think they need to look at scouting department or approach to talent evaluation. They have a lot of 1st round picks, not playing like 1st rounders.
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I don't think anyone really benefits by firing Reese and McAdoo mid-season. I think the best course of action at this point is to let the season play out and see what comes of it.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
You get a lot of benefit by firing Reese mid season. The new GM has time to put together a new scouting staff, evaluate players and coaches, and create a new team philosophy before the offseason.
Nah we have Chris Mara for all that
Yup.
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I don't think anyone really benefits by firing Reese and McAdoo mid-season. I think the best course of action at this point is to let the season play out and see what comes of it.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
You get a lot of benefit by firing Reese mid season. The new GM has time to put together a new scouting staff, evaluate players and coaches, and create a new team philosophy before the offseason.
Really? The replacement GM and staff that you're assembling are all off at this time of year, not working for other teams? Sounds like a great crew you're putting together.
There's a reason teams fire these guys at the end of the season - it's because you need to hire new guys, and good ones aren't usually just hanging out at the local Starbucks waiting for the phone to ring.
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In comment 13655596 arcarsenal said:
Quote:Arc Are you suggesting that the only time a major front office change can be made is at the end of the current season ? This BS has kept these fools in power long enough. A new GM or VP of Football can bring in staff anytime and do what is necessary to get rid of this dead wood. What is this ? a never ending continuation in incompetency. Reese got his chance that is all anybody gets in this gams. MO
I don't think anyone really benefits by firing Reese and McAdoo mid-season. I think the best course of action at this point is to let the season play out and see what comes of it.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
You get a lot of benefit by firing Reese mid season. The new GM has time to put together a new scouting staff, evaluate players and coaches, and create a new team philosophy before the offseason.
Really? The replacement GM and staff that you're assembling are all off at this time of year, not working for other teams? Sounds like a great crew you're putting together.
There's a reason teams fire these guys at the end of the season - it's because you need to hire new guys, and good ones aren't usually just hanging out at the local Starbucks waiting for the phone to ring.
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I don't think anyone really benefits by firing Reese and McAdoo mid-season. I think the best course of action at this point is to let the season play out and see what comes of it.
I think we're way too far in the hole to even think about the playoffs or anything like that - but if the team comes together and plays good football down the stretch, perhaps that'll change the overall outlook going into next year.
I lost a lot of the faith I had in McAdoo this year, but I think we may as well ride it out with him at this point and see what happens the rest of the way.
You get a lot of benefit by firing Reese mid season. The new GM has time to put together a new scouting staff, evaluate players and coaches, and create a new team philosophy before the offseason.
The college season is underway right now. Scouting is happening now. We're already half a dozen games in, and scouts are on assignment.
That's why when teams clean house they do so in spring after the draft.
People to Do the job and stop Interfering so much
They made TC fire Gilbride, then Fewell, then he got canned while Reese
Ross and Chris Mara got and still get
Total passes.
They are very loyal in general but classy when it has suits them. Upper
Level management Has been meddling for years w the team and allowed
TC to take the fall.
IMO TC needed to move on but that the FO has gotten a free pass
For years makes it obvious they are equally culpable and
Don't want any of the blame for
Their interventions.
Classy may not mean the same thing to me as it does to others. They meddled W TC but not the GM or Chris Mara who is ownership. Not classy when the wheels come off and they allow
Others to suffer from their bad decisions
With the Mara family, I wonder about 1) Their own involvement with the business. Are they the best people for the job? and 2) What influences their hiring decisions for people outside the family? I'm not making any accusations, I just end up scratching my head sometimes. Like "What was behind that decision? I don't get it." But I'm in no way a football insider.