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section125 : 10/19/2017 7:56 am
First a shout out to B in ALB for yeoman's work these past three games coming through when it counted. Also, a reminder of the great work by Denny in Denville in getting us through the ALDS.

Tanaka - wow. Does he need juice to pitch well? Do regular season games bore him? My, my what he has done post season is the guy we remember that 1st year prior to the injury. So the questions is, if he opts out, do the Yankees look to re-sign him? I find it hard to say no. He has the partial tear, but I heard that it is not uncommon among pitchers. He is 28, seems to be a stud. Do they extend him a couple additional years and bump him to $25 mill per or more?

DH - Have to ride Headley for this last game(hopefully) and then use him against the Dodgers? Seems he has figured it out and is hot again.

Batting order - seems that Judge comes up often as leadoff (perception?). Not sure I like him in the 2 hole. But I know Joe wants him to get as many looks as possible - and who could blame him.

Bird - Looks like a #4 hitter to me. Maybe not this year, but Judge, Bird, Sanchez (3-4-5) looks pretty good to me. Can Didi go to the 2 hole? Lack of walks probably eliminates him and he has about a 16% K rate.

Hicks & Castro - somebody has to be cold and these guys look like it. Castro got the big double off Keuchel yesterday, but his wild undisciplined swings don't work post season. Hicks? Yeesh. He looks the most lost. Looks like he is over swinging and trying for the bomb every at bat.

If they make the WS - any chance Joe picks Heller over Betances for the bull pen. Heller really looked good late in the season and has high octane stuff, too. I'm throwing it out there because Betances at this point is eating a spot and Joe just doesn't trust him at all and you cannot blame him.

Anyway, thoughts for the day.
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Bird really is the word  
JoeMoney19 : 10/19/2017 12:27 pm : link
what an exchange:

The young core is so likeable / amazing  
JoeMoney19 : 10/19/2017 12:44 pm : link
Watching any team realize how good they are is so much fun, and these guys have a closeness from being in the minors together that we haven't had since '96. It keeps everybody on the team loose, whereas my heart has been pounding for the last three days straight, haha.
Yep "Mystique" and "Aura" made the short trip across the street  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 12:47 pm : link
to the new stadium...You can tell by the Astros player's comments last night that they were definitely affected by the atmosphere over the 3 games. Especially during the 7th and 8th innings of game 4.
RE: I say go for it in game 6  
section125 : 10/19/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13656366 federer70 said:
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think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)


I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...
Guys as mentioned on the game thread last night  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 12:59 pm : link
MLB Network postgame was awesome. Yankees.com has a superb 4 minute clip of Harold Reynolds and Dan Plesac explaining the key adjustment the Yankee hitters made against Keuchel. It was simple they moved up on the play to take away the late action on his sinker. Plesac then made the great point that the way a pitcher can combat this is by knocking the bats out of their hands with a 95mph fastball, but that Keuchel just doesn't have that he only sits 89-91. Will be interesting if moving forward we have some more success against him using this strategy and how he adjusts.
RE: RE: I say go for it in game 6  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13656396 section125 said:
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think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)



I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...

Yep and if the last 3 games were played at Minute Made we would have had at least 3 or 4 more HR's- Frazier and Castro last night, Didi's triple in game 4 and Judge's double in game 4.
didn't you guys know?  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
The Yankees move the fences in when they're up and back out when Houston is up.
while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 1:14 pm : link
and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.
RE: while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13656419 Victor in CT said:
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and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.

And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.
RE: RE: while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
section125 : 10/19/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13656427 Stu11 said:
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and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.


And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.


He may be butt hurt, but he is a good analyst. Better than the garbage on BSPN...
next year is looking like  
RasputinPrime : 10/19/2017 1:32 pm : link
Bird is going to play his way into the middle of the order as we had hoped for this season. We are going to have a decision to make at 3B but other than that this team is looking on-track for another Core.
Not sure if anyone stuck around FS1 for the postgame,  
Keith : 10/19/2017 1:38 pm : link
but if not, you missed out. It's absolutely amazing. Not if you want actual baseball content, but it's great for the humor element. First off, Papi is illiterate. You can't understand a word the guy says and he's constantly fumbling over words. I fully understand that English isn't his first language, but it's hilarious. Frank Thomas just sits in the corner like a lump on a log and Keith Hernandez is constantly touching Papi. Arod is great(although I'm sure he annoys non Yankee fans), but thats about it. THe rest is pure comedy.
Smoltz is pretty good, but like most of them he talks WAAAAY  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 1:40 pm : link
too much. It's okay to shut up for 30 seconds and come up for air in a visual medium. At least it's not a 3 man booth.

Too bad Buck has to be there with him. What an asshole!

I like Ron Darling better myself.
I love the FSI postgame  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
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Actually I really have no complaints  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 1:43 pm : link
about the total broadcast at all. I'm a Joe Buck fan, Smoltz is good, and the postgame is rally entertaining.

Other thing that Fox does well is their sound is really good. They capture the cheering in the stadium well. TBS is bad at this.
yes, TBS' sound is so weird  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 2:02 pm : link
Always sounds like the park is half empty. Don't know what's up with that.

Smoltz has improved a great deal. He used to have the motormouth disease most baseball analysts suffer from, but he's figured out that more doesn't mean better. Buck on the other hand I have never liked and never will.

Ortiz is OK, but I'll never stop disliking him. Nothing personal, just business. Frank Thomas actually says something interesting things.....on the rare occasions he speaks. Overall I think the FS1 guys are entertaining.
This is a great thread!!!  
DennyInDenville : 10/19/2017 2:15 pm : link
What a day to be a Yankees fan!! Let's wrap this up!!

yea besides the '99 butthurt  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
I have no problem with Smoltz at all, he's an excellent analyst and Buck is actually better at baseball than football. The FS1 postgame is can't miss television for all the reasons described. Greg I like you have hated Papi with the heat of 1000 white hot suns, but seeing him babble away in broken English and being handed humble pie by ARod night after night has been oddly disarming for me.
RE: yea besides the '99 butthurt  
Elisthebest : 10/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13656505 Stu11 said:
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I have no problem with Smoltz at all, he's an excellent analyst and Buck is actually better at baseball than football. The FS1 postgame is can't miss television for all the reasons described. Greg I like you have hated Papi with the heat of 1000 white hot suns, but seeing him babble away in broken English and being handed humble pie by ARod night after night has been oddly disarming for me.

I think these guys are the best. Lotta hits up on that screen last night. Highlight was Papi wishing he could talk Japanese
Ortiz has been pretty complimentary of the Yankees  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 2:41 pm : link
And I think he's actually taken it easy on ARod. Alex keeps flaunting that world series ring but there's a whole lot of material that Ortiz could go to, but he's been sparing ARod.

It's entertaining stuff though
FS1 had a segment called "guess the language"  
Keith : 10/19/2017 2:55 pm : link
and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.
RE: FS1 had a segment called  
section125 : 10/19/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13656553 Keith said:
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and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.


Hebrew..but...

I'm oddly liking Papi. I can understand him just fine. ARod has been trying to punk him each night. Laughing at Papi doing John Sterling's "Yankees winnnnn, thhhhhe Yannnnkkesss WINNNNNNN!" Even he is cracking up at it.
Yeah I meant to say  
Keith : 10/19/2017 3:01 pm : link
Hebrew.
Ohhh  
Keith : 10/19/2017 3:01 pm : link
your the guy that can understand him.
RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
Jay in Toronto : 10/19/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13656234 Stu11 said:
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )


That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
RE: Not sure if anyone stuck around FS1 for the postgame,  
jcn56 : 10/19/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13656449 Keith said:
[quote] but if not, you missed out. It's absolutely amazing. Not if you want actual baseball content, but it's great for the humor element. First off, Papi is illiterate. You can't understand a word the guy says and he's constantly fumbling over words. I fully understand that English isn't his first language, but it's hilarious. Frank Thomas just sits in the corner like a lump on a log and Keith Hernandez is constantly touching Papi. Arod is great(although I'm sure he annoys non Yankee fans), but thats about it. THe rest is pure comedy. [/quote

If they ever wanted to do crossover sports, I would pay good money for a PPV event of Papi and Mike Ditka covering a basketball game.
RE: FS1 had a segment called  
Jay in Toronto : 10/19/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13656553 Keith said:
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and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.


"Israeli" could be Hebrew or Arabic.
RE: RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13656571 Jay in Toronto said:
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )



That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.

Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.

Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"
RE: RE: RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
section125 : 10/19/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13656591 Stu11 said:
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )



That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.


Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.

Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"


Stu, I believe the umps brought Chambliss back out after the crowd dispersed to step on the plate (or the area where the plate should have been...)
How is the new Yankee Stadium a "bandbox" compared to the old Stadium?  
mfsd : 10/19/2017 4:00 pm : link
It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.
RE: How is the new Yankee Stadium a  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13656638 mfsd said:
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It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.

the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.

My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.
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mfsd : 10/19/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13656665 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13656638 mfsd said:


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It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.


the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.

My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.


Interesting stuff, I stand corrected - there’s been stuff written about the wind factor being different, but didn’t realize the wall arc was flatter.
RE: RE: Green reminds me of another young pitcher  
VenteSette : 10/19/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13656224 Stu11 said:
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.



hehe


Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.


I remember Frank Thomas saying he was the best pitcher in baseball in 1995 after a start against the White Sox.
RE: RE: RE: Green reminds me of another young pitcher  
mfsd : 10/19/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13656708 VenteSette said:
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.



hehe


Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.



I remember Frank Thomas saying he was the best pitcher in baseball in 1995 after a start against the White Sox.


What’s crazy is both those comments came before he discovered his cutter in 97. He was all about fastball command at first
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Stu11 : 10/19/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13656599 section125 said:
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )



That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.


Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.

Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"



Stu, I believe the umps brought Chambliss back out after the crowd dispersed to step on the plate (or the area where the plate should have been...)

Well not according to Chambliss...
I think they win tomorrow night  
GeneInCal : 10/19/2017 6:48 pm : link
I don't think Verlander will repeat that performance. Even if they lose, they are set up way better than Houston for a game 7
LA  
sb2003 : 10/19/2017 11:21 pm : link
has torn teams up in the playoffs this year.

I'd love to see the Yankees take them on.
RE: you don't tax the the pen Friday night  
djm : 10/19/2017 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13655972 micky said:
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only depending upon the situation. Game 7 is where all hands on deck.


Wrong. You go for it in game 6.
RE: RE: you don't tax the the pen Friday night  
GentleGiant : 10/19/2017 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13657015 djm said:
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only depending upon the situation. Game 7 is where all hands on deck.



Wrong. You go for it in game 6.


If the Yankees don't come at Houston tomorrow with the same urgency and energy they will lose. Gotta go after Verlander. Beat their best.
Thumbs down guy  
GentleGiant : 10/19/2017 11:58 pm : link
is killing it on Kimmel tonight
Hmmm Toddfather and the gang and Thumbs down equals  
DennyInDenville : 10/20/2017 12:04 am : link
Antrel Rolle and co and Allin ?

We shall see
As great as this year has been, next year can be just as  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/20/2017 12:12 am : link
exciting.

By mid-year, I’d do the following:

I’d trade Castro and play Torres at 2b.

Platoon Andujar and Headley at 3b.

Bring up Adams and Sheffield.

Start playing Frazier regularly at LF.

We can be great and still rebuild, re-stock, at the same time!!
Jim  
Bill2 : 10/20/2017 8:24 am : link
I like a lot of yuour thoughts.

I would mix Todd Frazier and Andjular at 3b. Play the steadier hand or the hotter hand in playoffs.

I'd also bring up Acevedo or someone into the one.
I'd trade ellsbury and eat the money so CFrazier or Gardner was the 4th outfielder. I'd do all I could to get Florial ready. Yes he is scheduled for a few years away but every Yankee talent can see the jumps one year can bring.

Btw...to me the back up to Bird is likely Headley?
.  
Bill2 : 10/20/2017 8:26 am : link
One...meant...bullpen
RE: Thumbs down guy  
mfsd : 10/20/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13657031 GentleGiant said:
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is killing it on Kimmel tonight


Nice have to find a clip, didn’t know he was on

Seemed based on the Post article he was having fun with the whole thing
a lot of people are penciling in Andujar next year  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2017 12:03 pm : link
But he has to prove he can handle third base before he gets the job. He hasn't done that yet. I saw him play a couple of times for Trenton, and he was rough in the field. Cannon arm, but he has to actually field the ball before he can use it.
RE: a lot of people are penciling in Andujar next year  
Stu11 : 10/20/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13657328 Greg from LI said:
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But he has to prove he can handle third base before he gets the job. He hasn't done that yet. I saw him play a couple of times for Trenton, and he was rough in the field. Cannon arm, but he has to actually field the ball before he can use it.

Yea he sounds like the second coming of Eduardo Scissorhands with a little better hitting.
lol random twitter chuckle  
DennyInDenville : 10/20/2017 1:10 pm : link
Zack Hample
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Can anyone help with #Dodgers tickets for the #WorldSeries? I'd love to be there for Games 1 and 2, but ticket prices are insane. 😬
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On the nice news front...  
manh george : 10/20/2017 1:16 pm : link
MLB.com now has Gleyber as the #1 prospect in all of MLB. (How cool is it to never having played in the majors and already be known by a single name?)

How great is it to have kids like Judge, Sanchez and Bird, with the #1 prospect and many more? (Link)

Also, a bunch of prospects are having great starts early in the Arizona Fall League, including especially Sheffield and Abreu.

"Abreu, who was acquired during the Brian McCann trade, is also off to a great start He has given up just six hits and one run through ten innings. Abreu has also racked up eleven strikeouts and has walked just three batters."

Looks like another nice trade for Cashman.

https://www.pinstripealley.com/2017/10/19/16494518/yankees-prospects-arizona-fall-league-update-mckinney-estrada-florial-sheffield-abreu-holder

Link - ( New Window )
Pretty cool to be a win away from the World Series  
bceagle05 : 10/20/2017 1:23 pm : link
AND have one of the top farm systems in baseball. Kudos to the CashGod.
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