First a shout out to B in ALB for yeoman's work these past three games coming through when it counted. Also, a reminder of the great work by Denny in Denville in getting us through the ALDS.
Tanaka - wow. Does he need juice to pitch well? Do regular season games bore him? My, my what he has done post season is the guy we remember that 1st year prior to the injury. So the questions is, if he opts out, do the Yankees look to re-sign him? I find it hard to say no. He has the partial tear, but I heard that it is not uncommon among pitchers. He is 28, seems to be a stud. Do they extend him a couple additional years and bump him to $25 mill per or more?
DH - Have to ride Headley for this last game(hopefully) and then use him against the Dodgers? Seems he has figured it out and is hot again.
Batting order - seems that Judge comes up often as leadoff (perception?). Not sure I like him in the 2 hole. But I know Joe wants him to get as many looks as possible - and who could blame him.
Bird - Looks like a #4 hitter to me. Maybe not this year, but Judge, Bird, Sanchez (3-4-5) looks pretty good to me. Can Didi go to the 2 hole? Lack of walks probably eliminates him and he has about a 16% K rate.
Hicks & Castro - somebody has to be cold and these guys look like it. Castro got the big double off Keuchel yesterday, but his wild undisciplined swings don't work post season. Hicks? Yeesh. He looks the most lost. Looks like he is over swinging and trying for the bomb every at bat.
If they make the WS - any chance Joe picks Heller over Betances for the bull pen. Heller really looked good late in the season and has high octane stuff, too. I'm throwing it out there because Betances at this point is eating a spot and Joe just doesn't trust him at all and you cannot blame him.
Anyway, thoughts for the day.
He could get 100 mil over 5 years if he opted out. He has pitched great this post season. I suspect he will opt out.
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has 65M guaranteed for the next 3 seasons. Would be shocked if he opted out of that.
He could get 100 mil over 5 years if he opted out. He has pitched great this post season. I suspect he will opt out.
Yeah, it's just like when CC opted out and his annual salary didn't really go up, but the length of the contract sure did. I expect this to be the same for Tanaka. He'll opt out and the Yanks will probably sign him and there may be some years on that contract where his health makes that a sketchy decision, just like it happened with CC.
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
Gardy looks like he needs a day or two off. But tired Gardy is better than Ellsbury and his defense is better.
Verlander is mainly a FB pitcher. The Yankees have more trouble with junk ballers. But I feel that the crappy lighting (IMHO) in Minute Maid throws them off. I still believe they get to Verlander. Sanchez and Judge (and Headley) are starting to pick it up.
They have to make Verlander work, be patient and get him out of the game early even if they don't score off him, and get into that pen.
I feel pretty good about the Yanks taking the flag.
Dont forget Clint Frasier.... funny thing, he is supposed to be the best of them.... man o man, what a good problem to have.
If you mean 5 on top of the remaining 3, I agree. If you mean 2 additional for a 5 year total, I disagree. #1s don't grow on trees and he'd be 33-34 at the end of the deal which is not an unreasonable age.
They speculate Morton, but I would not be surprised to see Keuchel, if only for a few innings or out of the pen. He is still their horse and still a dominating pitcher.
McCullers pitched better than Morton did, but throwing him on short rest when he had a back injury earlier this year and hasn't pitched deep into games since July seems awfully risky.
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who goes for Houston? the guy that started game 3 or the one from game 4?
McCullers pitched better than Morton did, but throwing him on short rest when he had a back injury earlier this year and hasn't pitched deep into games since July seems awfully risky.
I could see them going McCullers for 4, Keuchel for 2-3, and then their normal BP guys.
If Tanaka does opt out (I don't think he will), ageree with section that at 28 it's okay to give him 5 yrs total, but not 5 in addition to the 3 remiang (8 total).
2. Tanaka WILL opt out, they always do. You pay him. The contract is ripped up when he opts out, so you give him around 5/100 and call it a day. letting a 28 year old top of the rotation guy go would be silly if you are a contender. Some of you have had him ready for TJ surgery 4 times the past 3 years. If the elbow goes it goes, he rehabs it a year and comes back.
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and assuming he is still the manager after this year, and assuming everyone stay healthy, I think a likely future lineup for the baby bomber is 2-Judge, 3-Bird, 4-Sanchez
Dont forget Clint Frasier.... funny thing, he is supposed to be the best of them.... man o man, what a good problem to have.
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
I think Verlander and Keuchel are different stories. Whereas Keuchel is what he is and you have to adjust to it, I think Verlander is more of a situation where its up to him. If he's insanely hitting his spots strike 1 and 2 like game 2 he'll be really tough. If he's a little off then we can get to him because we fair much better against fastball guys.
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who goes for Houston? the guy that started game 3 or the one from game 4?
They speculate Morton, but I would not be surprised to see Keuchel, if only for a few innings or out of the pen. He is still their horse and still a dominating pitcher.
On two days rest? Maybe out of the pen for an inning, but definitely not to start.
Verlander being a veteran should help, but if we keep it close or have a lead going to the pen - I think we'll win. Need to get Verlander's pitch count up there and battle like they did last night.
But cross that bridge when the time comes.
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Gardy hasn’t been hitting too much, and coming off a tough one against Keuchel, but think he has some good old fashioned Gardy ABs to work the count and get on base.
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
I think Verlander and Keuchel are different stories. Whereas Keuchel is what he is and you have to adjust to it, I think Verlander is more of a situation where its up to him. If he's insanely hitting his spots strike 1 and 2 like game 2 he'll be really tough. If he's a little off then we can get to him because we fair much better against fastball guys.
Stu, with Verlander, he just goes up like Sevy and says here is the heater, try and hit it. He tosses up some good sliders to seed some indecision. With Keuchel you are as much at the mercy of the umpire as the pitcher. With Verlander, he's not trying to fool every batter each at bat. It is not easy to hit a 96 mph fastball, but it is easier than trying to hit garbage at or below the bottom of the zone when the ump has a 50-50 chance of calling a ball a strike.
As far as running up his pitch count - he just threw 124 pitches and looked great in the 8th and 9th. Verlander is a bull. Can he do 120 pitches back to back? IDK. Can he give you 85-90 - absolutely. Does he start to miss his spots after 60-70, maybe, but I doubt it. But the Yankees lineup is about hitting FBs, Toddfather is more likley to catch a 96 mph FB than 88 mph slider or cutter (as are Casto and Hicks).
Not gonna get much in return for him, either, which is unfortunate.
ARod, CC, and Cano were all approaching their mid 30s. Tanaka will be 29. There are already 3 years left on his deal anyway, adding 2 more is not going to be crippling. It's certainly not "dumb."
Not gonna get much in return for him, either, which is unfortunate.
I was a proponent of dealing him this offseason (I like him a lot, but he's a luxury at this point) but I think you need to attempt to rebuild his value a bit before dealing him. They'd be selling awful low on a 4 time all star.
I know the additions at the trade deadline improved the team dramatically, but to me it's the reemergence of Tanaka and Chapman that makes us championship caliber.
And that assumes he can pitch like Dellin Betances again in NY. I'm not sure he can. He needs a fresh start somewhere else.
An off-season trade for pennies on the dollar would be unfortunate though. But I agree there just isn't a place for him anymore.
You never know if that's the issue with Betances or not or if Kahnle or Robertson will fall off a cliff.
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Gardy hasn’t been hitting too much, and coming off a tough one against Keuchel, but think he has some good old fashioned Gardy ABs to work the count and get on base.
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
Gardy looks like he needs a day or two off. But tired Gardy is better than Ellsbury and his defense is better.
Verlander is mainly a FB pitcher. The Yankees have more trouble with junk ballers. But I feel that the crappy lighting (IMHO) in Minute Maid throws them off. I still believe they get to Verlander. Sanchez and Judge (and Headley) are starting to pick it up.
Well hopefully that crappy lighting will make them blind to Sevvy's FBs.
But I agree that Betances has thrown his last pitch of the season.
Green might very well be moved back to being a starter, sepecially if they keep Robertson. Kahnle, Robertson, Warren, Chapman is a pretty good group. And they have German and Heller in the wings.
Or, depending on recovery, progress of Torres and where you play him, package Castro, Betances and a prospect for a front line starter? Lots of potetnial options when you develop players.
Isn't Betances in arbitration again this year?
I'm not sure he is done as a Yankee. I think he can be used far less next year and remain effective longer, plus if he regains form his value goes up. As with last season, he loses his mechanics but regains with time off.
DRob is signed through 2019..
Sometimes I wonder if he feels extra pressure pitching in his hometown.
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Gardy hasn’t been hitting too much, and coming off a tough one against Keuchel, but think he has some good old fashioned Gardy ABs to work the count and get on base.
I think the debate about the batting order is for the offseason...now that Judge and Sanchez are hitting, i wouldn’t mix up the lineup at this point in the game. Judge still sees a lot of pitches, and I think he catches a Verlander fastball tomorrow night
I think Verlander and Keuchel are different stories. Whereas Keuchel is what he is and you have to adjust to it, I think Verlander is more of a situation where its up to him. If he's insanely hitting his spots strike 1 and 2 like game 2 he'll be really tough. If he's a little off then we can get to him because we fair much better against fastball guys.
Stu, with Verlander, he just goes up like Sevy and says here is the heater, try and hit it. He tosses up some good sliders to seed some indecision. With Keuchel you are as much at the mercy of the umpire as the pitcher. With Verlander, he's not trying to fool every batter each at bat. It is not easy to hit a 96 mph fastball, but it is easier than trying to hit garbage at or below the bottom of the zone when the ump has a 50-50 chance of calling a ball a strike.
As far as running up his pitch count - he just threw 124 pitches and looked great in the 8th and 9th. Verlander is a bull. Can he do 120 pitches back to back? IDK. Can he give you 85-90 - absolutely. Does he start to miss his spots after 60-70, maybe, but I doubt it. But the Yankees lineup is about hitting FBs, Toddfather is more likley to catch a 96 mph FB than 88 mph slider or cutter (as are Casto and Hicks).
Thats pretty much what I was saying. The thing is in game 2 he was dotting the corners strike 1 and 2. If he does that again he's tough to beat. I think the odds are against him being that good again. Probably more like his usual self- 2 or 3 runs over 7. Any hand wringing over his pitch count is meaningless. He'll have an extra day and the guy is a horse. He's no stranger to 120 pitch outings.
That's a good point. Makes DB more expendable in that case.
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Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.
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Doesn't have quite the pinpoint control MR had, but he's young and that may come. They almost have two complete sets of let inning guys.
Could go:
Team 1
Green
DRob
Chapman
Team 2
Heller
Betances
Kahnle
Or some sort of combination of pitchers for odd and evening nights.
Sometimes I wonder if he feels extra pressure pitching in his hometown.
So he was able to be one of the best relief pitchers in baseball here for 3 years, but all of a sudden he can't handle the pressure of pitching for his hometown team? Really?
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And as far as Betances is concerned I think you move him. When he's wild he misses by a mile and then can't get the close call. He can't hold runners on and is a poor fielder. I would look to move him to a National League team for a prospect or use him in a package deal. We have plenty of arms in the pen. If I'm Joe I would consider leaving him off the WS roster. Can always bring him back if there is an injury but he can not be trusted in a high stress situation especially with Sanchez behind the plate. We have enough trouble in that area.
The top pitchers now can blw a 97 mile an hour fastball by you and then get you out with a 90 mph slider down or a ball in the dirt that gets offered at.
The Yankees still K'd a lot yesterday, but in their key at-bats, they laid off potential 3rd strikes to work the count even or full and then ripped the pitch in the zone. That was the difference vs. Game 1.
Or really it was the difference between them and the Astros last night. The Astros were offering at Tanaka's pitches down.
“You’ve got to stay disciplined, but you’ve got to be aggressive,” Greg Bird said. “It kind of contradicts each other, but you’ve got to get him on the plate, and when you do, you’ve got to make it hurt.”
I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...
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think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)
I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...
Yep and if the last 3 games were played at Minute Made we would have had at least 3 or 4 more HR's- Frazier and Castro last night, Didi's triple in game 4 and Judge's double in game 4.
And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.
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and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.
And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.
He may be butt hurt, but he is a good analyst. Better than the garbage on BSPN...
Too bad Buck has to be there with him. What an asshole!
I like Ron Darling better myself.
Other thing that Fox does well is their sound is really good. They capture the cheering in the stadium well. TBS is bad at this.
Smoltz has improved a great deal. He used to have the motormouth disease most baseball analysts suffer from, but he's figured out that more doesn't mean better. Buck on the other hand I have never liked and never will.
Ortiz is OK, but I'll never stop disliking him. Nothing personal, just business. Frank Thomas actually says something interesting things.....on the rare occasions he speaks. Overall I think the FS1 guys are entertaining.
I think these guys are the best. Lotta hits up on that screen last night. Highlight was Papi wishing he could talk Japanese
It's entertaining stuff though
Hebrew..but...
I'm oddly liking Papi. I can understand him just fine. ARod has been trying to punk him each night. Laughing at Papi doing John Sterling's "Yankees winnnnn, thhhhhe Yannnnkkesss WINNNNNNN!" Even he is cracking up at it.
That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
[quote] but if not, you missed out. It's absolutely amazing. Not if you want actual baseball content, but it's great for the humor element. First off, Papi is illiterate. You can't understand a word the guy says and he's constantly fumbling over words. I fully understand that English isn't his first language, but it's hilarious. Frank Thomas just sits in the corner like a lump on a log and Keith Hernandez is constantly touching Papi. Arod is great(although I'm sure he annoys non Yankee fans), but thats about it. THe rest is pure comedy. [/quote
If they ever wanted to do crossover sports, I would pay good money for a PPV event of Papi and Mike Ditka covering a basketball game.
"Israeli" could be Hebrew or Arabic.
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )
That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.
Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )
That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.
Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"
Stu, I believe the umps brought Chambliss back out after the crowd dispersed to step on the plate (or the area where the plate should have been...)
That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.
That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.
the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.
My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.
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It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).
That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.
the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.
My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.
Interesting stuff, I stand corrected - there’s been stuff written about the wind factor being different, but didn’t realize the wall arc was flatter.
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.
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Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.
I remember Frank Thomas saying he was the best pitcher in baseball in 1995 after a start against the White Sox.
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.
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Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.
I remember Frank Thomas saying he was the best pitcher in baseball in 1995 after a start against the White Sox.
What’s crazy is both those comments came before he discovered his cutter in 97. He was all about fastball command at first
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )
That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.
Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"
Stu, I believe the umps brought Chambliss back out after the crowd dispersed to step on the plate (or the area where the plate should have been...)
Well not according to Chambliss...
I'd love to see the Yankees take them on.
Wrong. You go for it in game 6.
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only depending upon the situation. Game 7 is where all hands on deck.
Wrong. You go for it in game 6.
If the Yankees don't come at Houston tomorrow with the same urgency and energy they will lose. Gotta go after Verlander. Beat their best.
We shall see
By mid-year, I’d do the following:
I’d trade Castro and play Torres at 2b.
Platoon Andujar and Headley at 3b.
Bring up Adams and Sheffield.
Start playing Frazier regularly at LF.
We can be great and still rebuild, re-stock, at the same time!!
I would mix Todd Frazier and Andjular at 3b. Play the steadier hand or the hotter hand in playoffs.
I'd also bring up Acevedo or someone into the one.
I'd trade ellsbury and eat the money so CFrazier or Gardner was the 4th outfielder. I'd do all I could to get Florial ready. Yes he is scheduled for a few years away but every Yankee talent can see the jumps one year can bring.
Btw...to me the back up to Bird is likely Headley?
Nice have to find a clip, didn’t know he was on
Seemed based on the Post article he was having fun with the whole thing
Yea he sounds like the second coming of Eduardo Scissorhands with a little better hitting.
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12:37 PM · Oct 20, 2017
How great is it to have kids like Judge, Sanchez and Bird, with the #1 prospect and many more? (Link)
Also, a bunch of prospects are having great starts early in the Arizona Fall League, including especially Sheffield and Abreu.
"Abreu, who was acquired during the Brian McCann trade, is also off to a great start He has given up just six hits and one run through ten innings. Abreu has also racked up eleven strikeouts and has walked just three batters."
Looks like another nice trade for Cashman.
https://www.pinstripealley.com/2017/10/19/16494518/yankees-prospects-arizona-fall-league-update-mckinney-estrada-florial-sheffield-abreu-holder
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