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section125 : 10/19/2017 7:56 am
First a shout out to B in ALB for yeoman's work these past three games coming through when it counted. Also, a reminder of the great work by Denny in Denville in getting us through the ALDS.

Tanaka - wow. Does he need juice to pitch well? Do regular season games bore him? My, my what he has done post season is the guy we remember that 1st year prior to the injury. So the questions is, if he opts out, do the Yankees look to re-sign him? I find it hard to say no. He has the partial tear, but I heard that it is not uncommon among pitchers. He is 28, seems to be a stud. Do they extend him a couple additional years and bump him to $25 mill per or more?

DH - Have to ride Headley for this last game(hopefully) and then use him against the Dodgers? Seems he has figured it out and is hot again.

Batting order - seems that Judge comes up often as leadoff (perception?). Not sure I like him in the 2 hole. But I know Joe wants him to get as many looks as possible - and who could blame him.

Bird - Looks like a #4 hitter to me. Maybe not this year, but Judge, Bird, Sanchez (3-4-5) looks pretty good to me. Can Didi go to the 2 hole? Lack of walks probably eliminates him and he has about a 16% K rate.

Hicks & Castro - somebody has to be cold and these guys look like it. Castro got the big double off Keuchel yesterday, but his wild undisciplined swings don't work post season. Hicks? Yeesh. He looks the most lost. Looks like he is over swinging and trying for the bomb every at bat.

If they make the WS - any chance Joe picks Heller over Betances for the bull pen. Heller really looked good late in the season and has high octane stuff, too. I'm throwing it out there because Betances at this point is eating a spot and Joe just doesn't trust him at all and you cannot blame him.

Anyway, thoughts for the day.
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RE: nah, Green's never gonna be a starter  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13656178 Greg from LI said:
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He's a two pitch guy, and his second pitch, his slider, isn't all that good. He thrives in relief because he has a fantastic fastball and he can throw it 80% of the time if he's only going an inning or two.


That's a good point. Makes DB more expendable in that case.
Green reminds me of another young pitcher  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 10:59 am : link
Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.



hehe
I jokingly referred to Chad Green as "Mariano Green"  
bceagle05 : 10/19/2017 11:04 am : link
a few times on game threads this season. He was that automatic.
RE: Green reminds me of another young pitcher  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 11:05 am : link
In comment 13656211 Greg from LI said:
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.



hehe

Lol I'll never forget Tom Kelly's comment in '96 after the Twins faced him in like May. "That guy belongs in another league". I was like ok Tom a little over the top there? He was spot on.
RE: Green reminds me of another young pitcher  
section125 : 10/19/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13656211 Greg from LI said:
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Yanks brought him up as a starter and he struggled. Had an ERA north of 5 as a rookie. Had a dynamite fastball but weak offspeed stuff. They ended up sending him to the pen and he did rather well there. Maybe you remember him.



hehe


Doesn't have quite the pinpoint control MR had, but he's young and that may come. They almost have two complete sets of let inning guys.

Could go:
Team 1
Green
DRob
Chapman

Team 2
Heller
Betances
Kahnle

Or some sort of combination of pitchers for odd and evening nights.
RE: oh, don't get me wrong, Betances absolutely could bounce right back  
Tesla : 10/19/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13656171 Greg from LI said:
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His stuff hasn't diminished at all - his first two appearances against Cleveland showed that, particularly the first one when he struck out the side on ten pitches. I would expect him to become the Dellin of old if he's in, say, Milwaukee instead of the Bronx.

Sometimes I wonder if he feels extra pressure pitching in his hometown.


So he was able to be one of the best relief pitchers in baseball here for 3 years, but all of a sudden he can't handle the pressure of pitching for his hometown team? Really?
Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 11:08 am : link
here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile:
Holy Cow! - ( New Window )
I just meant that it might exacerbate his struggles  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 11:26 am : link
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I was so glad to see the Yanks make the adjustment at the plate  
Jeever : 10/19/2017 11:34 am : link
When you face a pitcher who tops out in the low 90's and mainly throws slop that curves you need to move up in the box and take the ball the other way.

And as far as Betances is concerned I think you move him. When he's wild he misses by a mile and then can't get the close call. He can't hold runners on and is a poor fielder. I would look to move him to a National League team for a prospect or use him in a package deal. We have plenty of arms in the pen. If I'm Joe I would consider leaving him off the WS roster. Can always bring him back if there is an injury but he can not be trusted in a high stress situation especially with Sanchez behind the plate. We have enough trouble in that area.
I'll guarantee you he's not on a potential WS roster  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 11:39 am : link
He's only pitched in low-leverage situations his last two appearances walked the last four batters he's faced. What would be the point?
Being a good baseball..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/19/2017 11:39 am : link
player means going against instincts often. It means that you have to learn discipline at the plate when facing a pitcher who throws the majority of his pitches ahead of the count out of the strikezone. It means reining in the aggressiveness to make contact.

The top pitchers now can blw a 97 mile an hour fastball by you and then get you out with a 90 mph slider down or a ball in the dirt that gets offered at.

The Yankees still K'd a lot yesterday, but in their key at-bats, they laid off potential 3rd strikes to work the count even or full and then ripped the pitch in the zone. That was the difference vs. Game 1.

Or really it was the difference between them and the Astros last night. The Astros were offering at Tanaka's pitches down.
to Fats' point  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 11:45 am : link
here's what the players had to say after last night's game

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“See the ball in the middle of the plate and react from there,” Todd Frazier said. “His ball moves so much, if I’m thinking middle of the plate, anything to the left or right most of the time is going to be a ball. That’s how he wins games. He gets guys off their approach and swinging at balls. Today, when we got our strikes, we hit them pretty hard.”

“You’ve got to stay disciplined, but you’ve got to be aggressive,” Greg Bird said. “It kind of contradicts each other, but you’ve got to get him on the plate, and when you do, you’ve got to make it hurt.”
After  
mitch300 : 10/19/2017 11:57 am : link
Keuchel was taken out of the game, I did mt best impression of Billy Batts and said Now go home and shave your beard. LOL
The young guys are learning  
dune69 : 10/19/2017 11:58 am : link
some great hitting lessons to carry with them. Hitting a pitcher like Keuchel when he is at the top of his game, under the brightest lights, is like earning your Phd at a very young age. They will be able to take that knowledge and confidence forward for years to come. Particularly true when the pitcher gets the benefit of a large strike zone.
Is  
mitch300 : 10/19/2017 12:12 pm : link
it possible Tanaka was sort of holding back alittle. Maybe afraid of the tear. Now that it's post season he is letting it rip. Also do they put Wade on the roster if they get that far for his speed and pinch running.
I don't think Tanaka was holding back  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 12:20 pm : link
He made adjustments as the season progressed. He cut way back on his four seamer because it was his worst pitch. About 75% of what he throws now are sliders and splitters.
Tanaka's slider was so huge last night  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 12:26 pm : link
Houston is such a dead red first ball fastball team that he was falling behind not wanting to just lay the first pitch in there. He was able to throw that slider for strikes numerous times when he was behind on the count.
I say go for it in game 6  
federer70 : 10/19/2017 12:27 pm : link
think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)
Bird really is the word  
JoeMoney19 : 10/19/2017 12:27 pm : link
what an exchange:

The young core is so likeable / amazing  
JoeMoney19 : 10/19/2017 12:44 pm : link
Watching any team realize how good they are is so much fun, and these guys have a closeness from being in the minors together that we haven't had since '96. It keeps everybody on the team loose, whereas my heart has been pounding for the last three days straight, haha.
Yep "Mystique" and "Aura" made the short trip across the street  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 12:47 pm : link
to the new stadium...You can tell by the Astros player's comments last night that they were definitely affected by the atmosphere over the 3 games. Especially during the 7th and 8th innings of game 4.
RE: I say go for it in game 6  
section125 : 10/19/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13656366 federer70 said:
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think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)


I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...
Guys as mentioned on the game thread last night  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 12:59 pm : link
MLB Network postgame was awesome. Yankees.com has a superb 4 minute clip of Harold Reynolds and Dan Plesac explaining the key adjustment the Yankee hitters made against Keuchel. It was simple they moved up on the play to take away the late action on his sinker. Plesac then made the great point that the way a pitcher can combat this is by knocking the bats out of their hands with a 95mph fastball, but that Keuchel just doesn't have that he only sits 89-91. Will be interesting if moving forward we have some more success against him using this strategy and how he adjusts.
RE: RE: I say go for it in game 6  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13656396 section125 said:
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In comment 13656366 federer70 said:


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think it's always better to go for it in a game 6 (e.g., remember the marlins in 2003 with their ace on 3 days rest :-)). but if we get an early lead, and severino doesn't have it; i wouldn't hesitate to make it a bullpen game to end this early (e.g., in the 3rd or 4th inning). i feel pretty confident our hitting will carry over to their park; but of course always nervous since their park is such a band box down the lines :-). also, definitely i'd be ready for a lot of bunts, walks, and attempted steals from them to try and get their offense ready. think no way is verlander as dominant as before; and we score early off of him (probably a hr or 2). as for the ws, i'd take of betances and agree with replacing him with heller. or perhaps shreve. but probably want heller for that k potential :-)



I laugh at the comparisons to both parks. Buck and Smoltz yapping about how small Yankee Stadium is. Oddly it is small for both teams.
And Minute Maid is just as small, save the 25 ft wall in left...

Yep and if the last 3 games were played at Minute Made we would have had at least 3 or 4 more HR's- Frazier and Castro last night, Didi's triple in game 4 and Judge's double in game 4.
didn't you guys know?  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 1:08 pm : link
The Yankees move the fences in when they're up and back out when Houston is up.
while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 1:14 pm : link
and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.
RE: while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13656419 Victor in CT said:
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and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.

And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.
RE: RE: while the new Stadium is a bandbox compared to the old  
section125 : 10/19/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13656427 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13656419 Victor in CT said:


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and original, Minute Maid is a band box and then some. Astros blaming the stadium is ridiculous.


And whats even more comical is we hit all of 4 HR's in 3 games, and one was off the restaurant and another was well into the LF bleachers. Naaa Smoltz is still butt hurt from game 3 of the '99 series. He'll never let it go.


He may be butt hurt, but he is a good analyst. Better than the garbage on BSPN...
next year is looking like  
RasputinPrime : 10/19/2017 1:32 pm : link
Bird is going to play his way into the middle of the order as we had hoped for this season. We are going to have a decision to make at 3B but other than that this team is looking on-track for another Core.
Not sure if anyone stuck around FS1 for the postgame,  
Keith : 10/19/2017 1:38 pm : link
but if not, you missed out. It's absolutely amazing. Not if you want actual baseball content, but it's great for the humor element. First off, Papi is illiterate. You can't understand a word the guy says and he's constantly fumbling over words. I fully understand that English isn't his first language, but it's hilarious. Frank Thomas just sits in the corner like a lump on a log and Keith Hernandez is constantly touching Papi. Arod is great(although I'm sure he annoys non Yankee fans), but thats about it. THe rest is pure comedy.
Smoltz is pretty good, but like most of them he talks WAAAAY  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 1:40 pm : link
too much. It's okay to shut up for 30 seconds and come up for air in a visual medium. At least it's not a 3 man booth.

Too bad Buck has to be there with him. What an asshole!

I like Ron Darling better myself.
I love the FSI postgame  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 1:41 pm : link
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Actually I really have no complaints  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 1:43 pm : link
about the total broadcast at all. I'm a Joe Buck fan, Smoltz is good, and the postgame is rally entertaining.

Other thing that Fox does well is their sound is really good. They capture the cheering in the stadium well. TBS is bad at this.
yes, TBS' sound is so weird  
Greg from LI : 10/19/2017 2:02 pm : link
Always sounds like the park is half empty. Don't know what's up with that.

Smoltz has improved a great deal. He used to have the motormouth disease most baseball analysts suffer from, but he's figured out that more doesn't mean better. Buck on the other hand I have never liked and never will.

Ortiz is OK, but I'll never stop disliking him. Nothing personal, just business. Frank Thomas actually says something interesting things.....on the rare occasions he speaks. Overall I think the FS1 guys are entertaining.
This is a great thread!!!  
DennyInDenville : 10/19/2017 2:15 pm : link
What a day to be a Yankees fan!! Let's wrap this up!!

yea besides the '99 butthurt  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
I have no problem with Smoltz at all, he's an excellent analyst and Buck is actually better at baseball than football. The FS1 postgame is can't miss television for all the reasons described. Greg I like you have hated Papi with the heat of 1000 white hot suns, but seeing him babble away in broken English and being handed humble pie by ARod night after night has been oddly disarming for me.
RE: yea besides the '99 butthurt  
Elisthebest : 10/19/2017 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13656505 Stu11 said:
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I have no problem with Smoltz at all, he's an excellent analyst and Buck is actually better at baseball than football. The FS1 postgame is can't miss television for all the reasons described. Greg I like you have hated Papi with the heat of 1000 white hot suns, but seeing him babble away in broken English and being handed humble pie by ARod night after night has been oddly disarming for me.

I think these guys are the best. Lotta hits up on that screen last night. Highlight was Papi wishing he could talk Japanese
Ortiz has been pretty complimentary of the Yankees  
Kyle in NY : 10/19/2017 2:41 pm : link
And I think he's actually taken it easy on ARod. Alex keeps flaunting that world series ring but there's a whole lot of material that Ortiz could go to, but he's been sparing ARod.

It's entertaining stuff though
FS1 had a segment called "guess the language"  
Keith : 10/19/2017 2:55 pm : link
and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.
RE: FS1 had a segment called  
section125 : 10/19/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13656553 Keith said:
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and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.


Hebrew..but...

I'm oddly liking Papi. I can understand him just fine. ARod has been trying to punk him each night. Laughing at Papi doing John Sterling's "Yankees winnnnn, thhhhhe Yannnnkkesss WINNNNNNN!" Even he is cracking up at it.
Yeah I meant to say  
Keith : 10/19/2017 3:01 pm : link
Hebrew.
Ohhh  
Keith : 10/19/2017 3:01 pm : link
your the guy that can understand him.
RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
Jay in Toronto : 10/19/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13656234 Stu11 said:
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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )


That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.
RE: Not sure if anyone stuck around FS1 for the postgame,  
jcn56 : 10/19/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13656449 Keith said:
[quote] but if not, you missed out. It's absolutely amazing. Not if you want actual baseball content, but it's great for the humor element. First off, Papi is illiterate. You can't understand a word the guy says and he's constantly fumbling over words. I fully understand that English isn't his first language, but it's hilarious. Frank Thomas just sits in the corner like a lump on a log and Keith Hernandez is constantly touching Papi. Arod is great(although I'm sure he annoys non Yankee fans), but thats about it. THe rest is pure comedy. [/quote

If they ever wanted to do crossover sports, I would pay good money for a PPV event of Papi and Mike Ditka covering a basketball game.
RE: FS1 had a segment called  
Jay in Toronto : 10/19/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13656553 Keith said:
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and they played a call from the Yankees game in another language. They then went around and asked the guys to guess the language. Immediately Papi says...oh I know this one, this is easy...Turkish. Frank Thomas then says spanish(which it very clearly was not) and Keith Hernandez says Italian(which it very clearly was not). Papi is pretty confident that its Turkish, but it was Israeli.


"Israeli" could be Hebrew or Arabic.
RE: RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
Stu11 : 10/19/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13656571 Jay in Toronto said:
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In comment 13656234 Stu11 said:


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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )



That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.

Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.

Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"
RE: RE: RE: Also for some good mojo going for the clincher  
section125 : 10/19/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13656591 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13656571 Jay in Toronto said:


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In comment 13656234 Stu11 said:


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here's what happened 41 years ago last Saturday when we were going for our first pennant in awhile: Holy Cow! - ( New Window )



That ending would never happen today. Everyone would be too busy taking photos and selfies with their phones.


Not to mention no way they let fans anywhere near the field. The Phillies stopped that when they won in '80. Can you believe that mob on the field after the game? it was bedlam. The fans were grabbing the players. Insane.

Funny story about that- in '99 when Robin Ventura hit the famous Grand Slam single in the playoffs, the Yanks playoff game started right after that and they had the bench mic'd and Chambliss was a Yanks coach. Chambliss says to one of the other coaches "Damn they should give him the grand slam!". The other coach says to him "No way you have to touch home plate! I mean you did" Chambliss gets this sheepish look on his face and says "Ummm I never touched the plate"


Stu, I believe the umps brought Chambliss back out after the crowd dispersed to step on the plate (or the area where the plate should have been...)
How is the new Yankee Stadium a "bandbox" compared to the old Stadium?  
mfsd : 10/19/2017 4:00 pm : link
It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.
RE: How is the new Yankee Stadium a  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13656638 mfsd said:
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It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.

the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.

My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.
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mfsd : 10/19/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13656665 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13656638 mfsd said:


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It's the same dimensions (at least, same as those since the early 70s renovations).

That's one of those weird misconceptions a lot of people seem to have latched on to.


the wall is not as "arced", especially in right. the scorebpard make it straight. Also the flatter tiers let the wind currents go down to the fireld. The old structur blocked wind.

My old boss is pals with Reggie Jacskon. When it opened, he told us he paced it off and the #s (to him at least) didn't add up.


Interesting stuff, I stand corrected - there’s been stuff written about the wind factor being different, but didn’t realize the wall arc was flatter.
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